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andfor

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Diaz-Freire going to his 4th school. Joining LSU after 1 year at Alabama.

Feel like this type of stuff shouldn’t be allowed.
So much transfer flopping around it certainly doesn't feel right. Athlete transfers were already high before Covid. The new Covid NCAA rules make it seem out of control. I know a basketball player that played two years at USM, last year at Tulane, now he's at Jackson St. Yeah he has every right to do so. Sends a strange message to kids from my perspective.
 
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bobleenov1963

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So much transfer flopping around it certainly doesn't feel right. Athlete transfers were already high before Covid. The new Covid NCAA rules make it seem out of control. I know a basketball player that played two years at USM, last year at Tulane, not he's at Jackson St. Yeah he has every right to do so. Sends a strange message to kids from my perspective.

Allow athletes to transfer without sitting a year is a great idea. They should be allowed to do that and have every right to do so. Not strange at all if you ask me. You have non student athlete transferring between schools all the times.

Coaches are also jumping around for better jobs with higher pay and no one says anything. Such hypocrisy...
 
I agree athletes should be allowed to transfer without any penalty. Much like coaches can change jobs without penalty. However, I would recommend since coaches can also be let go and fired without penalty then athletes should have their scholarships cut or taken away by coaches for poor performance. Might as well teach them how the real world works, not this hey parents I got a scholarship now I get to keep this for 4 years even if I'm not good, but if I get better then I can go to a better school.
 
Allow athletes to transfer without sitting a year is a great idea. They should be allowed to do that and have every right to do so. Not strange at all if you ask me. You have non student athlete transferring between schools all the times.

Coaches are also jumping around for better jobs with higher pay and no one says anything. Such hypocrisy...

Díaz-Freire went from LMU to Clemson to Alabama to LSU. How many regular students are going to 4 schools in 6 years in 4 states? Student athletes get to do this because of the scholarship and place on the team. Also I believe the transfer rule is for 1 time free transfer. So I actually don’t know how a player can go to 4 schools.
 

andfor

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Allow athletes to transfer without sitting a year is a great idea. They should be allowed to do that and have every right to do so. Not strange at all if you ask me. You have non student athlete transferring between schools all the times.

Coaches are also jumping around for better jobs with higher pay and no one says anything. Such hypocrisy...
I actually said student athlete transfer rates were high and seemed out of control, also that the player in question in my example has every right to transfer.

Ending your response with "Such hypocrisy..." is typical of your lack of reading comprehension skills.
 

jcgatennismom

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Díaz-Freire went from LMU to Clemson to Alabama to LSU. How many regular students are going to 4 schools in 6 years in 4 states? Student athletes get to do this because of the scholarship and place on the team. Also I believe the transfer rule is for 1 time free transfer. So I actually don’t know how a player can go to 4 schools.
There is another player in a Parsa Bombs tweet who is on his 4th college:
After 2 seasons at Pepperdine and 2 seasons at Tulane, as well as 1 year in LSU Law School, Dane Esses (UTR 12.20) will join @lmulionsMTEN in the fall of 2021 as a graduate transfer. It doesnt look like he was on the roster as LSU so maybe he will only play at 3 colleges.
 

ClarkC

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I agree athletes should be allowed to transfer without any penalty. Much like coaches can change jobs without penalty. However, I would recommend since coaches can also be let go and fired without penalty then athletes should have their scholarships cut or taken away by coaches for poor performance. Might as well teach them how the real world works, not this hey parents I got a scholarship now I get to keep this for 4 years even if I'm not good, but if I get better then I can go to a better school.
Scholarships are one-year agreements, I believe. Taking them away too often can damage recruiting, though.
 
Clemson chooses to be the #3 seed in Waco. Glad to see them chose to participate m. I was worried they may pass. Little stale to play ACC foe Miami in round 1 but exciting to go a new locale. I might’ve chose the #4 in Fort Worth instead or #4 at USC (with the budget allowing).
 

mikej

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Clemson chooses to be the #3 seed in Waco. Glad to see them chose to participate m. I was worried they may pass. Little stale to play ACC foe Miami in round 1 but exciting to go a new locale. I might’ve chose the #4 in Fort Worth instead or #4 at USC (with the budget allowing).

they ducked FSU and UF also, I haven’t seen Clemson play since them and Duke knew how to hold racquets so would’ve been fun
 

andfor

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Clemson chooses to be the #3 seed in Waco. Glad to see them chose to participate m. I was worried they may pass. Little stale to play ACC foe Miami in round 1 but exciting to go a new locale. I might’ve chose the #4 in Fort Worth instead or #4 at USC (with the budget allowing).
No easy choices there. Like you good to see them venturing out. Baylor looks to be loading up with transfers.
 

Whats the issue with transfers? Gators won a national title with the help of transfers. We had 2 transfers in our lineup (1 singles 1 doubles) and we had another graduate student playing. Next year we add a 23 year graduate transfer from Michigan who should be a big help. Transfers and grad guys are very common these days, almost all the top teams are doing this now.
 

andfor

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My guess is Mike was joking. The transfer carousel is a little soap opera like, at least it is to me. Who's leaving, who's staying, where will they end up, who will get the most transfers, who got the best, who will transfer to get more PT and it backfire on, how many transfers can a player accomplish in 5 years, what school will get the oldest player, who will transfer this fall then transfer again the following spring semester, etc.
 
You're right, its crazy now. NCAA definitely didn't see this coming and the extra year of eligibility must be killing the juniors who are looking for spots. Then you add in teams moving out players to add transfers, what a change in how to try and be good. TCU got rid of 3 players to add 2 grad transfers, Tennessee got rid of 4 players and added 1 grad transfer, Georgia got rid of 2 players and added 2 grad transfers.
 

mikej

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Whats the issue with transfers? Gators won a national title with the help of transfers. We had 2 transfers in our lineup (1 singles 1 doubles) and we had another graduate student playing. Next year we add a 23 year graduate transfer from Michigan who should be a big help. Transfers and grad guys are very common these days, almost all the top teams are doing this now.

you’re right our team had three grad transfers from a single institution (Duke) just like the other team in the championship match (Baylor), and I shouldn’t be pointing out that Baylor is making a business model out of stealing older players that other teams have developed, more so than any other team in the country

they had four grad transfers, three of them in their singles lineup, UF and Baylor are not playing the same shady game

let me know when 50% of our singles lineup is made up of grad transfers, I’ll wait…
 
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Not really sure what your point is here. My team, Florida, had 2 transfers and a grad student in the lineup. Nothing wrong with that, it helped us win a national title. Baylor is not playing a shady game, it's fully within the rules, they are not stealing other players they are out recruiting other schools for these players.
We are adding a grad guy for next year and I think he'll be great. Schools like TCU, Georgia, UVa, Wake, Ohio State, Tennessee, Kentucky, Notre Dame, Texas are all adding 1 or 2 grad transfers. The grad guys are 22/23/24 years old (or 25 like Vocel or 28 like Botzer). Of course they will be better then 18 year olds.
Hard to blame coaches, I don't blame Shelton for taking transfers or grad guys, he's just doing what it takes to compete.
 

mikej

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Not really sure what your point is here.

Baylor plays the grad transfer market much more than other teams, like UF - we had zero grad transfers in our lineup in NCAAs, zero - Baylor had four grad transfers, comprising half their starting singles lineup - so your continued comparison to UF is just silly - again, let me know when UF ever has such a situation, half the starting singles lineup filled with grad transfers, still waiting…

it’s not a hard point to grasp, so if you haven’t gotten it by now there’s really no need to keep pointing out that you’re dumb by equating UF’s lineup with Baylor’s lineup

as for the subjective interpretation of Baylor’s strategy - well, you don’t have to agree with me that it’s a shady practice to fill up half your team with grad transfers, everyone is entitled to his own opinion, and I haven’t claimed what they’re doing is against any rules
 
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Oh Mikey Mikey, you're a funny man, you think you're so smart insulating people on a message board. Ok I'll play that game.

At Florida we have corned the marked on getting top 30 ITF guys/top 5 tennis recruiting guys. Is that shaddy? Nope, we just try to get the best guys we can get. I'm sure Baylor would take pre college Futures winner Sam R or #1 tennis recruiting Lukas G or #10 Vale but Baylor probably cant get those guys so they get grad transfer guys so they can compete. At Florida, much like at Duke, we have every advantage you can think of. It's crazy to think this was our first NCAA final, its so easy to win at Florida its crazy. To win at Baylor not so much, so how can you blame them for getting grad guys.

Oh and you want to call me dumb do you? You're one of those tough message board/twitter guys that is bold with his fingers. I have an undergrad at Florida and a Masters at Florida. Tell you what Mikey, I might be dumb but maybe I'll be smart enough to figure out exactly who you are at one of home Florida home matches. Maybe you'll be the guy wearing the Duke hat and Florida shirt, I don't know I'm dumb. But when I do find you then you can call me dumb to my face and we can see exactly how tough you are in person. I'll see you soon Mikey.
 

mikej

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Oh Mikey Mikey, you're a funny man, you think you're so smart insulating people on a message board. Ok I'll play that game.

yeah, people who feel the need to pick a fight when I make a one word comment ‘shocking’ re: Baylor accumulating more transfers, after a year where half of their lineup was grad transfers

you could have left it alone, realizing it was an obvious and benign comment for me to have made, but you didn’t (FWIW, your last interaction with me was similarly needless and stupid, claiming that someone who works for UF cannot support UF tennis), and so I subsequently pointed out that equating the amount of transfers at Baylor and UF is dumb

I’m not five so I’m not really worried about the rest of your ‘I’ll see you in the parking lot’ bs

by the way I think you mean ‘insulting’ not ‘insulating’
 
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mikej

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At Florida we have corned the marked on getting top 30 ITF guys/top 5 tennis recruiting guys. Is that shaddy? Nope, we just try to get the best guys we can get. I'm sure Baylor would take pre college Futures winner Sam R or #1 tennis recruiting Lukas G or #10 Vale but Baylor probably cant get those guys so they get grad transfer guys so they can compete. At Florida, much like at Duke, we have every advantage you can think of. It's crazy to think this was our first NCAA final, its so easy to win at Florida its crazy. To win at Baylor not so much, so how can you blame them for getting grad guys.

also, my response to this paragraph is simply ‘Jenson Brooksby’ - let the guy with a Duke hat in the stands know when UF convinces a top 300 ATP player to sign, I’ll be happy to hear the news and happy to meet the other TW Gator fan
 
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Yup, always appreciate the "smart" guy on the message boards pointing out grammatical or spelling errors, thank you for that. Ok, here is you calling me personally dumb:

"it’s not a hard point to grasp, so if you haven’t gotten it by now there’s really no need to keep pointing out that you’re dumb by equating UF’s lineup with Baylor’s lineup"

I didn't study English so feel free to explain how you are not calling me dumb.

Don't worry about the parking lot brother, I'll go ahead and find you in the stands..........keep insulting me, please do
 

mikej

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Ok, here is you calling me personally dumb:

"it’s not a hard point to grasp, so if you haven’t gotten it by now there’s really no need to keep pointing out that you’re dumb by equating UF’s lineup with Baylor’s lineup"

I didn't study English so feel free to explain how you are not calling me dumb.

correct I called you dumb
 

andfor

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I prefer to see a challenge tennis match, could be handicapped if there's a wide skill imbalance. We could also play doubles, Bob and Jerry vs. Mike and I. JLyon could referee and if needed sub in. Schedule this before a UF match, then tailgate before the match, laugh a little and get along.
 

mikej

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I prefer to see a challenge tennis match, could be handicapped if there's a wide skill imbalance. We could also play doubles, Bob and Jerry vs. Mike and I. JLyon could referee and if needed sub in. Schedule this before a UF match, then tailgate before the match, laugh a little and get along.

i’m down - in theory jerry and I ought to be on the same side on this forum, but someone had to start policing whether I’m allowed to be a UF fan and whether I’m allowed to point out that Baylor goes nuts in the transfer market, and unfortunately I rarely pass up an opportunity to throw a few barbs back at someone coming at me, personality flaw
 

andfor

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i’m down - in theory jerry and I ought to be on the same side on this forum, but someone had to start policing whether I’m allowed to be a UF fan and whether I’m allowed to point out that Baylor goes nuts in the transfer market, and unfortunately I rarely pass up an opportunity to throw a few barbs back at someone coming at me, personality flaw
Yeah that whole thing kinda spiraled down. Shouldn't be a big deal. I'm a Kansas St. and Memphis fan, have a few hours on my transcript from each, not my alma mater. I claim them both as favorites. Like Ole Miss too, only ties there are friends and family that went there. It's all nothing to get offensive about for sure.
Hope we can pull off the challenge match tailgate sometime! HAHA
 

ClarkC

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I prefer to see a challenge tennis match, could be handicapped if there's a wide skill imbalance. We could also play doubles, Bob and Jerry vs. Mike and I. JLyon could referee and if needed sub in. Schedule this before a UF match, then tailgate before the match, laugh a little and get along.
I think we need two spin-off threads. The first would be devoted exclusively to discussing whether mikej is allowed to root for Florida. The second would be to discuss whether you are a true Florida fan if you have been rooting for them for fewer years than jerryjones has.

I am not committing to reading either thread, just hoping to sequester those two topics in threads that I don't read.
 

mikej

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I think we need two spin-off threads. The first would be devoted exclusively to discussing whether mikej is allowed to root for Florida. The second would be to discuss whether you are a true Florida fan if you have been rooting for them for fewer years than jerryjones has.

I am not committing to reading either thread, just hoping to sequester those two topics in threads that I don't read.

Clark you just bumped a dumb argument from JUNE 2021 - there might have been some internet yellow cards handed out for that series of posts, but giving it life seven months later is a straight red
 

ClarkC

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Clark you just bumped a dumb argument from JUNE 2021 - there might have been some internet yellow cards handed out for that series of posts, but giving it life seven months later is a straight red
I am like the DVR feature on an internet streaming service. You get lots of chances to view something before it ages out.
 
Lineup predications for this year?

I will be interested to see where Giusca and Dica fit in as they did not play singles vs Furman. Azuma could still be #1, depending on the strides he has made. Admittedly I am ot as up to date on this year's team as previous years. But will get fully into it in the coming matches. I play to attend the match vs SC in Columbia coming up.
 
I think it is yeah. He was supposed to be on the team last spring but decided to not come to Clemson until this year. His not playing yet makes me sorta worried. You would think a coach would want to give a new player some early matches vs softer competition. Hope it's not an eligibility issue or something.
 
I went to the North Florida match yesterday. And to answer the question about Dica, he has a huge scar on his right knee and was icing it and walking around in a full leg brace. So safe to say he will not be available this year which means the NCAA tournament is not likely this year again.
 

MikeG

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I went to the North Florida match yesterday. And to answer the question about Dica, he has a huge scar on his right knee and was icing it and walking around in a full leg brace. So safe to say he will not be available this year which means the NCAA tournament is not likely this year again.
Thanks for the update!
 
Got an actual ACC win over Florida State, the first actual decent win of the year, even if FSU is slightly down and then lost a close one to Miami to round out the ACC season with two ACC wins (if BC really counts).
 
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