Clot on the courts.....

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Hi everyone....:):)
Drove by the courts today, SanPablo in Berkeley, around 10. Hoping to play, of course.
6 courts are there. 3 taken for junior summer programs...they use 2 and leave the third empty, allowing no one to use them even for a second.
So 3 courts, one used for singles.
2 courts for doubles, easily 14 players total, 6 waiting, public courts.
This instructor shows up, trying to kick off the doubles, which had 4 players playing, and 3 sitting and waiting. There is an individual singles court with two players just hitting, perfect for instruction, but it's away from the street and not good for promoting lessons.
Starts with a delay, escalates to a discussion, escalates to some accusations and some yelling.
I don't know if the instructor paid the city fees, but he's been teaching there for about a month now.
Cop drives by, get's flagged, calls for help. I start to drive off slowly. In less than a minute, two more Berkeley cops show up, in their cruisers. Now it's full blown scene....:shock:
I sneak away to the old courts.
What would you have done?
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
This has something to do with a thread I read on another section here on the forums.
It happenned today, to me, and I"m mystified what I should have done, if I really wanted to play tennis.
Yes, it's a troll. But a thought provoking one for me.
 
ye, this is something we don't have to deal with, by and large, as pretty much all instruction here is either at private clubs or at our regional tennis centre that has a LOT of courts so they are basically only full when tournaments are on..

I honestly don't know, I think just quietly getting out of there was probably the right move, though, don't need that sh*t
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Yeah, well I'm not on the highest list for upstanding citizenry, often seem to get mistaken for criminals, and just on the gray side of normal, so I'll live a lower profile life in public in order to play another day.
 

mikeler

Moderator
Yeah, well I'm not on the highest list for upstanding citizenry, often seem to get mistaken for criminals, and just on the gray side of normal, so I'll live a lower profile life in public in order to play another day.
Now that the situation is over, verify with the City if the guy is allowed to use 3 courts and if he is whether the guy paid any required fees. Seems excessive to me.
 

DavaiMarat

Professional
I worked for the city teaching for years and we basically kicked everyone off. However this was during the work day and all the old guys left before it was hot at 1pm onwards.

We just redirected to some other local courts that we didn't do lessons on.

However, one stipulation I 'worked' for the city not rented courts from them.
 

10isfreak

Semi-Pro
Starts with a delay, escalates to a discussion, escalates to some accusations and some yelling. [...] Cop drives by, get's flagged, calls for help. I start to drive off slowly. In less than a minute, two more Berkeley cops show up, in their cruisers.
Wonderful how civilized people can solve their dispute with rational arguments and openness, isn't it?

Next time you witness something like that, think about a national geographic scenery from Africa. Also, hear the narrator in your head explain how monkeys exhibit their territoriality against a rival group.
 

newpball

Legend
I don't know if the instructor paid the city fees, but he's been teaching there for about a month now.
There should be a note on the court showing the times that an instructor has exclusive rights to a court. If not, he is simply bluffing.
 

LuckyR

Legend
If the city doesn't either: post the times for sanctioned lessions or give the instructor some paperwork from the city that gives him the authority to kick people off, it is ultimately the city's fault for the uproar and to a lesser degree the instructor.
 

Gut4Tennis

Hall of Fame
If the city doesn't either: post the times for sanctioned lessions or give the instructor some paperwork from the city that gives him the authority to kick people off, it is ultimately the city's fault for the uproar and to a lesser degree the instructor.
exactly

a simple print out of a paid court or lesson schedule from the city is what's needed
 

rkelley

Hall of Fame
Yeah, well I'm not on the highest list for upstanding citizenry, often seem to get mistaken for criminals, and just on the gray side of normal, so I'll live a lower profile life in public in order to play another day.
If it makes you feel any better Lee, I've never had any trouble with the police but in the situation you just described, I would have done as you did. Angry people, police - lots of ways that situation ends badly.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
exactly

a simple print out of a paid court or lesson schedule from the city is what's needed
There also needs to be instructions posted on the court about it. Anyone can show up with a piece of paper. Why should the player already there believe that a) the paper being shown is genuine b) the paper is current c) the coach is who he claims to be.

Of course, the paperwork would be good enough in most cases, but all I am saying is that someone who wants to be difficult has many grounds not to give in unless the police are called. The simplest thing to say is "I don't want to look at whatever paper you have - show me where on this court is it posted that you can use it even if I got here before."
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Thanks for all the replies, everyone.
I decided I'm just going to try to avoid Wed., the most crowded day, take my chances on M and F, and try to get there on Thursdays when nobody else seems to show.
Today Thursday, the signs clearly posted that junior tennis was on MWF, and 7 juniors taking 3 courts.
 

arche3

Banned
LeeDs. Bring a big racket bag with matching rf gear. And have your gf borrow twin babies. People will think your goat and get off the courts.
 

The Meat

Hall of Fame
LeeDs. Bring a big racket bag with matching rf gear. And have your gf borrow twin babies. People will think your goat and get off the courts.
I don't know about that, I personally would stay even longer on the courts.
"Oh you took an hour to get ready and spent hundreds of dollars for that gear? Whoops, sorry need to wait a few hours until I leave." :)
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
While I do have a couple of tennis bags, I usually show up with loose rackets and a packpack of balls, and shoes.
I don't wear no tennis clothes, except for the shoes. I always wear a t shirt atop a polypro longsleeve shirt, and a baseball cap.
Image means nothing to me.
Strangely, for my g/f, who's PuertoRican, image is almost everything.
 
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