Club, Facility, and Camp re-opening protocols.

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
- my buddy wore a mask into clubhouse ... he said he never saw anyone else with a mask
By law, the public must wear masks indoors in CA. We are told that it does not even have to be a medical mask -- even a scarf is acceptable.
If tennis players are going to flout the rules, there is a danger of shutdown... The beaches are going to be shut down again...


 
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Deleted member 769694

Guest
Our courts are open, but the pro shop/lessons are closed. Its a county ran park, my friends run the tennis.

Our Gov said parks will open on Monday (4th) but the pro's were told jun 1st. Good news is they dont have to pay the county and got auto 1yr extension.

Im gonna play some tomorrow. Probably not going sit on the bench or touch the door handles, but no formal rules in place
 

CJ Tennis

Rookie
Our tennis center in South Florida is opening Monday with these rules:

  • Singles Play Only.
  • Ball Machines Will Not Be Available During This Phase. (Lots of Touching!)
  • Water Fountains, Ice Machine are Off. Bring Your Own (Or Buy Water Here)
  • Arrive 3 Minutes Before Reserved Time Starts (Wait in Cars)
  • Check-in Required
  • Court Gates Will be Open to Avoid Handling
  • Follow Staff Directions to Tennis Courts
  • Private Lessons Only, 1 and a Pro
  • No Programming
  • No Social Gathering
  • One Hour of Play Only.
  • Depart Promptly When Reserved Time Ends Unless Staff Directs Otherwise (Do not wait to be bumped.)
 

1stVolley

Professional
Because a virus can be propelled more than 6 feet doesn't mean that 6 feet isn't adequate spacing for appropriate social distancing. It's all about innoculum and less about where a few particles of virus are. You can probably be right next to your partner as long as you are running by each other.

But I imagine most places will work with singles first even though I'm sure doubles outdoors is perfectly safe with this virus. If it could be acquired as easily as some people seem to worry about we'd have billions of sick people out there and we'd all have been in official quarantine long ago.
You're perfectly correct that it is the location--and size--of the innoculum that is critically important in determining things like minimum safe distance. Unfortunately, there is no data on what this innoculum size needs to be and that is understandable since it would be extremely hard to design an experiment to determine this (not to mention extremely expensive).

As far as the novel coronavirus communicability goes, I think reasonable estimates are 2-3 times that of common influenzas. This is based on the number of confirmed cases adjusted for the shorter period this virus has been known vs a normal length influenza season. It could be, though, that this "2-3 times" figure underrates the communicability since it is based on confirmed cases and not nearly every actual case gets confirmed. If we take a 10:1 ratio of actual-to-confirmed cases, which some health professionals use, then we're in the 20-30 times level which is pretty contagous.
 

1stVolley

Professional
Our tennis center in South Florida is opening Monday with these rules:

  • Singles Play Only.
  • Ball Machines Will Not Be Available During This Phase. (Lots of Touching!)
  • Water Fountains, Ice Machine are Off. Bring Your Own (Or Buy Water Here)
  • Arrive 3 Minutes Before Reserved Time Starts (Wait in Cars)
  • Check-in Required
  • Court Gates Will be Open to Avoid Handling
  • Follow Staff Directions to Tennis Courts
  • Private Lessons Only, 1 and a Pro
  • No Programming
  • No Social Gathering
  • One Hour of Play Only.
  • Depart Promptly When Reserved Time Ends Unless Staff Directs Otherwise (Do not wait to be bumped.)
This matches the rules at my club in North Carolina. The only difference is that we can play to a 90 minute maximum.
 

Cashman

Hall of Fame
The advice given by our governing tennis body is here. Play is currently limited to 2 people per court on outside courts only (be that singles or individual coaching).

Aside from getting players to cover normal precautions, our facilities are leaving gates open, putting up signage, providing sanitary facilities, and avoiding cash transactions. All appointments are being given 15 minute buffers to avoid crossover. Facilities are also keeping detailed records of all attendees and times (not just whoever booked the court) in case contact tracing is required.

Coaches are avoiding dead ball and basket drills, limiting use of equipment like target cones, and handling all equipment themselves (including doing ball pick-up). Specific balls are being assigned to specific coaches, and generally the number of balls being used is greatly reduced. Coaches are responsible for sanitising all equipment after each session.
 

Flootoo

Semi-Pro
  • Remove benches, water dispensers, scoreboards
  • Put up signs saying don't touch anything, don't share balls
  • Secure gates open
Excellent first steps.
 

Erlang

Rookie
One of the facilities here reopened here following the end of our stay-at-home. Here are their guidelines. Each court was also given a limit of how many players are allowed, this varies depending on the court but varies from 2 to 5:

UPDATED PLAYING EXPECTATIONS

PLAYER PREPARATION

1. Wash your hands with soap and water (20 seconds or longer) or use a hand sanitizer soap (bring your own) before going on court.
2. All players are encouraged to wear a facemask (including while playing) at all indoor and outdoor facilities.
3. Bring your own racquet and equipment (water bottle, wristbands, grips, hats and towels). Do not share equipment. Clean and wipe down your equipment frequently.
4. Bring your own water, water refill stations and fountains will not be available.
5. Bring new balls for play if possible.
6. Consider taking precautions such as wearing gloves.
7. If you need to sneeze or cough, do so into a tissue or upper sleeve.
8. Arrive as close as possible to when you need to be on site.
9. Avoid touching gates, fences, benches, etc. if you can.

WHEN PLAYING

1. Individuals who reserve courts will take precedence over walk on guests. Rentals must have written documentation/permit from [facility] in hand in order to show reservation was made.
2. Try to stay at least six feet apart from other players. Do not make physical contact with them (such as shaking hands or a high five).
3. Consider not playing doubles, which could lead to incidental contact and unwanted proximity. If you do play doubles, avoid all incidental contact, NO Bryan Brothers Chest Bumps and NO whispering to each other for strategy in close distance.
4. Avoid touching your face after handling a ball, racquet or other equipment. Wash your hands or use hand sanitizer promptly if you have touched your eyes, nose or mouth.
5. Avoid sharing food, drinks or towels.
6. Use your racquet/foot to pick up the balls and hit them to your opponent. Avoid using your hands to pick up the balls.
7. Stay on your side of the court, avoid changing ends.
8. Remain apart from other players when taking a break.
9. All players should leave the facility immediately after play.

FOR SINGLES USE 4 OR 6 BALLS | FOR DOUBLES USE 8 BALLS IF POSSIBLE

A tennis ball may transmit the virus, as virtually any hard surface can transmit the disease. These are extra precautions you can take to keep safe when playing:
  • Open two cans of tennis balls that do not share the same number on the ball or use a different brand.
  • Take one set of numbered balls, and have your partner take a set of balls from the other can.
  • Proceed with play, making sure to pick up your set of numbered balls only. Should a ball with the other number wind up on your side of the court, do not touch the ball with your hands. Use your racquet head or feet to advance the ball to the other side of the court.
AFTER PLAYING

1. Leave the court within 5-10 minutes of your game ending.
2. Wash your hand thoroughly or use a hand sanitizer after coming off the court.
3. Do not use the locker room or changing area. Shower at home.
4. No extra-curricular or social activity should take place at the facility. No congregation after playing.
5. All players should leave the facility immediately after play.

FACILITY OPERATION PROCEDURES

PREPARATION OF FACILITY FOR PATRONS

1. Staff will clean high-touch and high-traffic areas daily at facilities with programming/lessons/private rentals.
2. We encourage frequent washing of hands with soap and water or with personal hand sanitizer.
3. No spectators are allowed on the courts or within 6 feet outside of the courts.
4. No children under 18 allowed in the facility if not participating in an activity.
5. No court benches, cabanas, or bleacher seating will be available to sit on at this juncture.
6. Social distancing of 6 feet or more must be maintained on and off the court. When courts are in use, players must stay in their vehicles, or wait for staff instruction to enter, until the maximum number of players on court is less than the limit.

PROGRAMMING PREPARATION
  • Teaching Pros will have assigned specific courts, baskets and equipment.
  • Tennis balls and equipment will only be handled by the tennis professionals.
  • Participants may be assigned a hopper for pick-up or Pro will pick up all balls.
  • Staff/Pros will sanitize carts and baskets after each lesson or drill.
  • Balls will be sanitized daily.
  • Demo racquets will not be allowed at the current time.
  • No serving during group lessons/drills unless each player is assigned their own balls.
  • Teaching Pros will adhere to social distancing recommendations regardless of activity being taught.
  • Court dots will be used to strategically place participants who are not actively playing.
  • Teaching Pros will coordinate drills to avoid lines with a reduced number of participants.
  • Players must remain on the court during the lesson to limit contact with other patrons.
  • Court dividers will remain closed at all times.
  • [Facility] Programs and Private Lessons by approved contracted Tennis Pros will take priority over rentals and walk on court usage.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
Player suggested that each player open their own can of balls and only serve those balls. Kick those balls to the curb after each point. Get a chance to finally use that box of Tretorns.
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
Just saw the re-open sign at our court with a bunch of new rules. The most standout is Singles only. That's gonna eliminate 99.1% of the players I know.

I wonder if I see anyone playing dubs I can tell him to give up the courts. :)
 
D

Deleted member 768841

Guest
Crowd sourcing some ideas.

What are you guys doing at your facilities to open again?

I am especially concerned with the following.

Touch points: Handrails, doorknobs, faucets, toilets, scorekeepers.

Benches: Tables, bag rests, viewing areas, food service.

Balls: In carts, for pickup, for personal play.

Lessons: Groups, privates, camps.

Small children: Less able to adhere to instructions, maintain distance.

Proshop sales: Do not allow customers in, bring all merchandise out to the courts.

Bathrooms: Sanitation procedures, touch points, community products.

Amenities: Towels, bug spray, sunscreen, water.

Shared or loaned equipment: Junior racquets for campers, ball pick up tubes and hoppers, bag rests.

J
“Small children: Less able to adhere to instructions, maintain distance.” LOL
 

TagUrIt

Hall of Fame
These rules/suggestions about the tennis balls really make me laugh. Each player using their own can of tennis balls? This is completely unrealistic, tennis balls can go all over the place during a match or even just hitting. It's damn near impossible to keep your opponent from touching your specific can of tennis balls. Are we forgetting that tennis balls were NEVER germ free during match play, they touch the ground (regardless of the surface) constantly. A little common sense goes a long way.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
These rules/suggestions about the tennis balls really make me laugh. Each player using their own can of tennis balls? This is completely unrealistic, tennis balls can go all over the place during a match or even just hitting. It's damn near impossible to keep your opponent from touching your specific can of tennis balls. Are we forgetting that tennis balls were NEVER germ free during match play, they touch the ground (regardless of the surface) constantly. A little common sense goes a long way.
They are clearly unaware of the habits of park players, opening new cans of balls is against the park player's religion, almost as grievous a sin as hitting the ball on one bounce in warmups or practice.


J
 

Curiosity

Professional
Touch points: Frequent sanitization, sanitizers at entrance and exit of facility, limited access to locker rooms...........
..........Amenities: Remove and enforce people bring their own towels and water to courts.

Shared or loaned equipment: Remove
Seems sensible. Outdoors, assuming sunlight, bench surfaces and armrests should be sanitized by the sunlight, no? Tennis balls must be dry, else every hit will leave spray on the hitter, so big sweat guys should towel off extra-frequently. New balls every set wouldn't be a bad thing.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
These rules/suggestions about the tennis balls really make me laugh. Each player using their own can of tennis balls? This is completely unrealistic, tennis balls can go all over the place during a match or even just hitting. It's damn near impossible to keep your opponent from touching your specific can of tennis balls. Are we forgetting that tennis balls were NEVER germ free during match play, they touch the ground (regardless of the surface) constantly. A little common sense goes a long way.
Would/should players wear gloves while playing? Never touch the ball, end of the problem.
 

onehandbh

Legend
The club I play at also does the following:

- turned off all air conditioning for inside areas. (courts are all outdoors)
- opened doors/windows (more air circulating from outside)

The region where the club is located has had very few cases of covid19, though, and the healthcare system is doing okay and not anywhere close to overwhelmed.
 
D

Deleted member 768841

Guest
Would/should players wear gloves while playing? Never touch the ball, end of the problem.
Possibly, but gloves can change performance. I wouldn’t wear gloves considering I have trouble holding my grip with gloves. If I had to wear those latex gloves, I would lose circulation. Though if I had a gun pointed to my face like I expect to happen later in this event lol then I will be forced to wear gloves.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
Possibly, but gloves can change performance. I wouldn’t wear gloves considering I have trouble holding my grip with gloves. If I had to wear those latex gloves, I would lose circulation. Though if I had a gun pointed to my face like I expect to happen later in this event lol then I will be forced to wear gloves.
Meant golf gloves, not putting on the foil.....................latex
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
I love my thorlos! Use them for when my shoes stretch so I can fill in the space. Super comfortable, super soft. Super thick.
That link didn’t seem to have anything to do with Thorlos ... ???

Thorlos were just as much as a requirement for my tennis as tournagrip ... decades. Recently found these ... just as cushioned to me if not more, just as good with sweat ... and seem to last longer. Oh yeah ... did I mention cheap.

I thought I couldn’t play tennis with a glove until a couple of winters ago. No problem... winter golf glove worked fine. If I tried playing with one in summer I would go with a racquetball glove ... will hold up better than a golf glove.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Seems sensible. Outdoors, assuming sunlight, bench surfaces and armrests should be sanitized by the sunlight, no? Tennis balls must be dry, else every hit will leave spray on the hitter, so big sweat guys should towel off extra-frequently. New balls every set wouldn't be a bad thing.
This morning I visited three big box stores and one small business... very few customers or employees were wearing masks. Hope they are right ... we will see in 3-4 weeks. I wear mine ... pull it down under my chin when no one is near me. I definitely do not like wearing the mask.
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
This morning I visited three big box stores and one small business... very few customers or employees were wearing masks. Hope they are right ... we will see in 3-4 weeks. I wear mine ... pull it down under my chin when no one is near me. I definitely do not like wearing the mask.
That seems sensible in the flu season. Don't think I'll do it in the summer.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
That link didn’t seem to have anything to do with Thorlos ... ???

Thorlos were just as much as a requirement for my tennis as tournagrip ... decades. Recently found these ... just as cushioned to me if not more, just as good with sweat ... and seem to last longer. Oh yeah ... did I mention cheap.

I thought I couldn’t play tennis with a glove until a couple of winters ago. No problem... winter golf glove worked fine. If I tried playing with one in summer I would go with a racquetball glove ... will hold up better than a golf glove.
The face mask is made/sold by Thor-lo
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
This morning I visited three big box stores and one small business... very few customers or employees were wearing masks. Hope they are right ... we will see in 3-4 weeks. I wear mine ... pull it down under my chin when no one is near me. I definitely do not like wearing the mask.
Forgot to wear the mask to a store, everyone else had one. Everyone moved 60 feet away. Understand, my wifes aunt passed after contracting covid, her uncle and his wife both contracted and recovered from the virus. Cannot recall anyone wearing one on a tennis court.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Forgot to wear the mask to a store, everyone else had one. Everyone moved 60 feet away. Understand, my wifes aunt passed after contracting covid, her uncle and his wife both contracted and recovered from the virus. Cannot recall anyone wearing one on a tennis court.
I quit getting a coke with cubed ice at the convenience store ... but still go to buy my lottery ticket. I open the door with my cash 8-B

The worse is the no mask guy standing right behind you ... I think I will just start stepping out of line and go to the end. No words ... no looks ... no conversation. Too many are cra cra right now.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
This morning I visited three big box stores and one small business... very few customers or employees were wearing masks. Hope they are right ... we will see in 3-4 weeks. I wear mine ... pull it down under my chin when no one is near me. I definitely do not like wearing the mask.
Same here. Mask causes breath to fog my glasses.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
I quit getting a coke with cubed ice at the convenience store ... but still go to buy my lottery ticket. I open the door with my cash 8-B

The worse is the no mask guy standing right behind you ... I think I will just start stepping out of line and go to the end. No words ... no looks ... no conversation. Too many are cra cra right now.
Stopped using any ice anywhere when, 25 yrs ago, watched several patrons place bottles, cans, whatever into the club ice maker. Started to carry a cooler filled with drinks.........................................covered them with ice. Do not trust the yellow ice

ps or that anyone has or will clean the ice machine bin. Noticed when the bin was low on ice that there was har-tru at the bottom
 
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Erlang

Rookie
One of the facilities here reopened here following the end of our stay-at-home. Here are their guidelines. Each court was also given a limit of how many players are allowed, this varies depending on the court but varies from 2 to 5:

UPDATED PLAYING EXPECTATIONS

PLAYER PREPARATION

1. Wash your hands with soap and water (20 seconds or longer) or use a hand sanitizer soap (bring your own) before going on court.
2. All players are encouraged to wear a facemask (including while playing) at all indoor and outdoor facilities.
3. Bring your own racquet and equipment (water bottle, wristbands, grips, hats and towels). Do not share equipment. Clean and wipe down your equipment frequently.
4. Bring your own water, water refill stations and fountains will not be available.
5. Bring new balls for play if possible.
6. Consider taking precautions such as wearing gloves.
7. If you need to sneeze or cough, do so into a tissue or upper sleeve.
8. Arrive as close as possible to when you need to be on site.
9. Avoid touching gates, fences, benches, etc. if you can.

WHEN PLAYING

1. Individuals who reserve courts will take precedence over walk on guests. Rentals must have written documentation/permit from [facility] in hand in order to show reservation was made.
2. Try to stay at least six feet apart from other players. Do not make physical contact with them (such as shaking hands or a high five).
3. Consider not playing doubles, which could lead to incidental contact and unwanted proximity. If you do play doubles, avoid all incidental contact, NO Bryan Brothers Chest Bumps and NO whispering to each other for strategy in close distance.
4. Avoid touching your face after handling a ball, racquet or other equipment. Wash your hands or use hand sanitizer promptly if you have touched your eyes, nose or mouth.
5. Avoid sharing food, drinks or towels.
6. Use your racquet/foot to pick up the balls and hit them to your opponent. Avoid using your hands to pick up the balls.
7. Stay on your side of the court, avoid changing ends.
8. Remain apart from other players when taking a break.
9. All players should leave the facility immediately after play.

FOR SINGLES USE 4 OR 6 BALLS | FOR DOUBLES USE 8 BALLS IF POSSIBLE

A tennis ball may transmit the virus, as virtually any hard surface can transmit the disease. These are extra precautions you can take to keep safe when playing:
  • Open two cans of tennis balls that do not share the same number on the ball or use a different brand.
  • Take one set of numbered balls, and have your partner take a set of balls from the other can.
  • Proceed with play, making sure to pick up your set of numbered balls only. Should a ball with the other number wind up on your side of the court, do not touch the ball with your hands. Use your racquet head or feet to advance the ball to the other side of the court.
AFTER PLAYING

1. Leave the court within 5-10 minutes of your game ending.
2. Wash your hand thoroughly or use a hand sanitizer after coming off the court.
3. Do not use the locker room or changing area. Shower at home.
4. No extra-curricular or social activity should take place at the facility. No congregation after playing.
5. All players should leave the facility immediately after play.

FACILITY OPERATION PROCEDURES

PREPARATION OF FACILITY FOR PATRONS

1. Staff will clean high-touch and high-traffic areas daily at facilities with programming/lessons/private rentals.
2. We encourage frequent washing of hands with soap and water or with personal hand sanitizer.
3. No spectators are allowed on the courts or within 6 feet outside of the courts.
4. No children under 18 allowed in the facility if not participating in an activity.
5. No court benches, cabanas, or bleacher seating will be available to sit on at this juncture.
6. Social distancing of 6 feet or more must be maintained on and off the court. When courts are in use, players must stay in their vehicles, or wait for staff instruction to enter, until the maximum number of players on court is less than the limit.

PROGRAMMING PREPARATION
  • Teaching Pros will have assigned specific courts, baskets and equipment.
  • Tennis balls and equipment will only be handled by the tennis professionals.
  • Participants may be assigned a hopper for pick-up or Pro will pick up all balls.
  • Staff/Pros will sanitize carts and baskets after each lesson or drill.
  • Balls will be sanitized daily.
  • Demo racquets will not be allowed at the current time.
  • No serving during group lessons/drills unless each player is assigned their own balls.
  • Teaching Pros will adhere to social distancing recommendations regardless of activity being taught.
  • Court dots will be used to strategically place participants who are not actively playing.
  • Teaching Pros will coordinate drills to avoid lines with a reduced number of participants.
  • Players must remain on the court during the lesson to limit contact with other patrons.
  • Court dividers will remain closed at all times.
  • [Facility] Programs and Private Lessons by approved contracted Tennis Pros will take priority over rentals and walk on court usage.
Turns out most of this is lifted straight from the USTA's guidelines:

 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
Announced today Surprise is opening tennis courts back up. Will have to see what kind of safety standards they implement. Excited to be back to it though. Been jogging the center around it and it is strange to see and hear it so still and quiet.




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pats300zx1

New User
The one club near me was actually going to insist that players wear masks while playing... Although I am all for wearing a mask when required in a store or if I can't social distance but I refuse to wear one while playing tennis.
 

SteveI

Legend
Thanks,

That's my biggest fear. People just don't give a heck.

They make all these claims about how safe tennis is and how they can be responsible and distant and that nothing should have been closed and then the second they are allowed to do something they ignore all the guidelines.

J
I will go one further... people are just stupid and don't give a **** about others. That what drives me crazy. I am with you Jolly.. We had our Erie County courts open this weekend as usual. There are signs all over the place... SINGLES ONLY. All courts filled with doubles players. Douce bags..

My summer tennis camp that I run.. is in phase 4 of the re-opening of NY State. It is slated for June 25th. This is a State, County and Town supported (Also USTA). Can't see it happening and I expect cases to spike after everyone of these dopes pass the virus on to others. The private clubs in NYS may have different rules.. but public recreation in NYS is way down the line. Baseball, soccer... and summer camps.. all depend on how well we follow the rules and hit all 7 of the Governor's matrix numbers. Go backwards... and we go back to zero and start the 14 day process all over again. So listen all you dopes in NYS..follow the rules.. because the Governor has the hammer and he is going to use it. BTW.. how about just caring about your fellow man or ladies... wear the mask... keep your distance and do not help this virus spread. The life you may be saving is a loved one.. like your mom or dad.. sister or brother. Geezzzz... just do the right thing!!!
 
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J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
I suspect most park players are over 60, the most vulnerable. I wonder if they'll be careful or throw caution to the wind when things open up.
They don't give a heck.

It's only 25-50 year olds who are behaving responsibly.

You can take every precaution, set up great protocol, and old people are going to do whatever they want because they don't care about anybody but themselves and think the world owes them.

J
 
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