College Doubles, do they follow standard advice?

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  1. Pro Kenneth

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    I saw this match between Wake Forest and USC, and the teams didnt follow the standard advice at all (hit down the middle, not the alleys; dont go for aces or winners on service returns, but set up your net man; serve down the middle). Is this typical for College doubles play? Interesting if not, as my own experience is that being unpredictable is more effective than the standard rules.
     
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    if your opponents are crowding the middles and playing Shut down Middle formation,, then you have to go into the Alley with topspin to open up the court. Preferably, you want to hit dipping topspin in the alley and make them volley up. and next one you go for it.
     
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  3. styksnstryngs

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    Nobody cares about the "standard rules," only winning.
     
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  4. 5263

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    I was all set to come in and rip on college dubs, then I watched this vid. These guys are far above the avg college dubs. They may not be perfect, but they are pretty close as college goes.

    I'd say you are taking the standard advice a bit too far. The idea is don't go for aces if it isn't real threat. These guys are a threat to ace on nearly any serve and can normally still have a high % on their 1st serves....but even if they miss, notice the quality of the second serve. I thought they did a great job of working the middle, the body at net and mixing in some ally shots. They also have to go DTL a bit more due to the strong poaching and pushing to the middle that is common in college dubs. Most all their shots are so forcing, they can often get away with crowding the middle. Biggest mistake I see is them crowding the middle even on some more avg to weaker shots. Imo they should read it better before committing, but then, many of the poaches are called plays where they must follow thru.
     
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  5. 5263

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    not sure what you mean "or otherwise", but I see quite a few college dubs matches having had all 3 of my kids play college tennis. Granted my kids didn't play at GA or USC, but at the next level down, the dubs isn't near that standard Imho. Even at the Ojai in Cali a couple of weeks ago, much of the dubs wasn't as sharp as it should be.
     
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    It is more common at the WTA but even in the ATP there have been some doubles who won with raw power rather than finesse. I remember Gonzalez and Massu winning an Olympic medal for their home country while mostly playing two back on return and one forward one back on serve and ripping 100mph forehands all match. It is less common in the men's game but it is still possible to just outhit your opponent if you have a good day. Can also go really wrong of course and I wouldn't recommend anyone to forget doubles strategy and just rip it, there is a reason why those strategies have been developed, they work
     
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    But ... but ... they don't serve and volley. They don't come in on every ball. All the local "experts" tell me that if you ever hit a ground stroke in doubles besides the return of serve then you stink by definition, 3.5 at best.
     
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    I recall watching USC play double matches against Stanford 25 years ago, and noticing how smartly coached the USC doubles teams were. All the usc players had amazing overheads and used to crowd the net, hanging up and and playing 2-1 against one of the opponents who was at baseline. The crosscourt net player would be positioned near centerstrap, baiting opponent to attempt low percentage crosscourt dipper.
     
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    I only went through the first 10:00 or so, but I saw a lot of attempted serves down the middle, especially on the first serve on both sides and second serve on the deuce side. Second serves on the ad side tended to be kicks to the backhand, and there were occasional wide slices on the deuce sides and attempts to jam the returner. But generally, a large majority of the serves were aimed DTM.
     
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  10. Dartagnan64

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    Many college players are primarily singles trained baseline bashers. They are not all court players by nature. So they default to strokes they are most comfortable with. Sometimes that's not a bad way to play doubles if the other team plays similarly. S&V is gradually leaving the men's doubles game as serves, returns and baseline strokes become increasingly powerful.

    But that doesn't mean for your average 3.0-4.5 doubles that traditional all court doubles play isn't superior. You need to have really good serves and excellent ground strokes to make 1 up 1 back work against the 2 up teams. You don't really see that under 4.5.
     
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    Play TO your strengths against your opponent's weaknesses.
     
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  12. gallen1999

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    Maybe he wasn't that good at the net, which was why he didn't serve and volley.
    I find it very difficult to play with a partner who can't hold their own at the net.

    I don't see why they didn't keep him as just a singles player if he was so good.
     
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  13. 5263

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    I bet they call you a sissy too if you lob them till they puke too, lol.
     
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