College players in US summer Futures and Challengers
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holds from 0-30...ace, +1 with the forehand, service winner, +1 with the forehand...classic shelton
#228, next win would take him to #203 (and would just about guarantee a top 200 ranking in a month even if he lost in first round of USO)
i'm still a believer that he's very young and could very well come back for one more year at UF, but it's getting harder and harder to see the logic in that
he's going to be top 175 in the world by the time Texas comes to town in January, which leads me to wonder if it's against ITA regulations for the announcers to announce him by ATP ranking when giving the singles lineups over the PA system
#228, next win would take him to #203 (and would just about guarantee a top 200 ranking in a month even if he lost in first round of USO)
i'm still a believer that he's very young and could very well come back for one more year at UF, but it's getting harder and harder to see the logic in that
he's going to be top 175 in the world by the time Texas comes to town in January, which leads me to wonder if it's against ITA regulations for the announcers to announce him by ATP ranking when giving the singles lineups over the PA system
for context if Ben returns to UF:
the most decorated college player of all time (Steve Johnson), was between #350-400 during his senior season (2011-2012), then would reach #175 by the end of the calendar year
Somdev Devvarman (an unprecedented 44-1 in NCAA tournament singles), was between #750-800 during his senior season (2007-2008), then would reach #202 by the end of the calendar year
John Isner was outside the top 800 when he competed for UGA in 2006-2007, but would rise quickly to #108 by the end of the calendar year
some of the above I'm sure speaks to it becoming more commonplace for players to play pro tournaments alongside being a student athlete nowadays (clearly Somdev and Isner weren't doing much of that), but it would be pretty unprecedented in recent times to have an ATP top 200 player playing in college dual matches
the most decorated college player of all time (Steve Johnson), was between #350-400 during his senior season (2011-2012), then would reach #175 by the end of the calendar year
Somdev Devvarman (an unprecedented 44-1 in NCAA tournament singles), was between #750-800 during his senior season (2007-2008), then would reach #202 by the end of the calendar year
John Isner was outside the top 800 when he competed for UGA in 2006-2007, but would rise quickly to #108 by the end of the calendar year
some of the above I'm sure speaks to it becoming more commonplace for players to play pro tournaments alongside being a student athlete nowadays (clearly Somdev and Isner weren't doing much of that), but it would be pretty unprecedented in recent times to have an ATP top 200 player playing in college dual matches
Shelton falls 7-5 in the third in the CH finals, his second CH finals loss in the past month or so, mighty close
he draws a qualifier in the first rd of Cincinnati / W&S - the winner to play Casper Ruud
edit - world #56 sonego will be his opponent - Feddie will be pleased to know sonego just routed klahn in final round of qualies
he draws a qualifier in the first rd of Cincinnati / W&S - the winner to play Casper Ruud
edit - world #56 sonego will be his opponent - Feddie will be pleased to know sonego just routed klahn in final round of qualies
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And Aaron Hernandez lost a practice match 6-0, 6-0 to Dimitrov.
would have been 0-6,0-5 ret. (gunshot)
I mean second set was not that great, but in the first he had 6:5 lead and serving....
Split sets.
I give Ben 1 more semester at UoF max. Spring only, makes a little sense. Going pro now makes more sense. Good luck kid, you’ve earned this!
Never in doubt! Kids a baller!7-5 in the 3rd Shelton
#197
collegetennisisthebest
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win over 56 in the world !!! wow
some guy named Casper Ruud next
some guy named Casper Ruud next
wow very nice win
Simply awesome. And incredible rise to the elite level. Don’t believe anyone has done that so quickly! He lost to Svajda at Kalamazoo barely a year ago
true…but…it’s harder to write a successful game plan against someone with major, major weapons (I mean, the book on Kyrgios has been out for how long, and he still baffles all the top guys)
Good point
collegetennisisthebest
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round of 16 players payday ........$84,510
QF....would be worth almost $158K
2022 Western & Southern Open ATP Prize Money with $6,280,880 on offer
The 2022 edition of the Cincinnati Masters will be the 121st
tennisuptodate.com
Shelton is the 3rd highest ranked teenager in the ATP rankings behind Alcarez and Rune.
Now we just need a prediction that he will never make the top 100.
bob dislikes people without weapons you cannot see from a mile away (Brooksby), and people that made it from the bottom (Tiafoe) rather than being the ones who were supposed to make it
a son of a former tour player who hits 130s serves and 80s forehands should be his favorite player ever
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bluetrain4
G.O.A.T.
I don't know. If he loses, he's still "only" ranked around 170 - so it's still WCs and qualies and challengers. If he got into 120 range - nearing auto Slam entry, then I'd think it would be a good choice. Or maybe it's not even a ranking thing, but seeing if he can put a handful of good performances together. Though, you could argue that he needs to play the tour to do that. I can see him not taking this Cincy prize money, going back to school after the USO but still playing a lot of pro tennis this fall to see what he should do.
bluetrain4
G.O.A.T.
I'd imagine his Pops is a great resource. Someone who "made it" in pro tennis - ATP titles, high rank of 55, Slam 4th round, had a period where he didn't need to qualify for Slams, $1.2 million in prize money (maybe $2.45 today?) - but didn't "MAKE IT." I'm sure he's familiar with the types of players at each level of ATP success and failure.
bluetrain4
G.O.A.T.
Ouch. But, ouch with a silver lining. He wins two rounds, beats Ruud, but then is destroyed by Norrie. All of that is illuminating data about what to do next. I think he's probably getting used to the "every match" factor of ATP tennis. No breaks. Nice, you got a Top 10 win. Next guy is good and tough too and doesn't care. Any hangover from previous match and/or lack of intensity and focus will be illuminated.
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bluetrain4
G.O.A.T.
Perfectly articulated.
jhick
Hall of Fame
I was at this match. JJ has some serious weapons, he just needs to become more consistent. Ruusuvuori beat him because he was more consistent.
He's not taking his Cincy prize money, he can't. You can't declare midway through a tournament that you're going pro. When you enter a tournament you enter as either an amateur or pro. Knowing he passed up $84K may be a tough pill to swallow. He is a sure wildcard in the US Open on the back of his NCAA singles win which guarantees another possible big pay day. I'd be surprised if he passed it up again. I know Johnson and Klahn remained amateurs after winning NCAA singles, but neither of them had done anything close to a round of 16 at a Masters before their US Open WC's were played.
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M25 Aldershot , GB
QF: (1) Leandro Riedi (SUI) WR 288 defeated (WC) Stanfords Max Basing WR 918 by 1 & 1
QF: (1) Leandro Riedi (SUI) WR 288 defeated (WC) Stanfords Max Basing WR 918 by 1 & 1
Nothing lot of receipts can't do to put a dent in that $84K. LOL
collegetennisisthebest
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Garrett Johns from Duke....doing well in Memphis this week
7-5,7-6 over Alex Michelsen in the quarters
a 3 hour win over Sam Riffice in the semis
Johns will play Mitsui from Tennessee in the finals
Mitsui absolutely pummeled Thai Son Kwiatoski earlier in the week and Mitsui beat Zeke Clark in the semis
7-5,7-6 over Alex Michelsen in the quarters
a 3 hour win over Sam Riffice in the semis
Johns will play Mitsui from Tennessee in the finals
Mitsui absolutely pummeled Thai Son Kwiatoski earlier in the week and Mitsui beat Zeke Clark in the semis
I may go this morning if the rain holds off.
Gracelhink
Rookie
A friend familiar with amateur status requirements shared that most college athletes will sign an escrow account. She said…
Any earnings on the pro tour above what NCAA allows would be deposited into escrow and when athlete completes years of eligibility, i.e. declares pro, the escrow earnings would be released.
i had never heard of this strategy, wondering if this is something new with the NCAA Name, image likeness agreements from football, basketball, etc.
Interesting...I had not heard of that. I knew amateurs could be reimbursed for expenses when playing tournaments but the escrow thing does make sense.
collegetennisisthebest
Rookie
Colette Lewis says that you are incorrect.....
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Guest said...
Colette, When does Shelton (or anyone) have to make a decision about accepting prize money for college eligibility? Ben will earn well over $100,000 just for playing Cincy and the Open. Does he have to decide at each event? Or can he take the money and decide later? Lastly, is $10,000 still the threshold. Thanks
8/18/2022Colette Lewis said...
These are all very good questions. My understanding of this issue is primarily gained from information I received when Mallory Burdette reached the 3rd round of the 2012 US Open as an amateur(she still had eligibility remaining at Stanford). If I recall correctly, she signed in as an amateur but did turn pro after that run and was able to collect her prize money.
I assume each tournament is different, but it's hard to see any of them refusing to disperse prize money earned if the player requests it. I would love to see it, in these rare situations, put in a trust for the player to access later when they have exhausted their eligibility and are ready to turn pro.
The $10,000 rule is not applicable to current student-athletes, only prospective ones. But any prize money can be used for expenses, which I believe can offset first class airfare, four-star hotels, etc. Quinn, for example, could live it up in New York in order to spend the $20,000 he will get for playing in the qualifying before he returns to Georgia.
Who knows, with the current state of NIL, how the NCAA would view these issues, but I assume each school's compliance department will do their best to adhere to the NCAA guidelines.
8/18/2022
Went to the finals yesterday. Johns def. Mitsui 6-2, 6-0. Both players looked fatigued, Mitsui a little more than John's. Biggest difference between the two was John's forehand and second serve return won him many points, over and over. Both strong baseliners with good wheels.
Coolest thing I found out late Saturday was that Garrett Johns has close family ties to Memphis. So along with family and friends there, the crowd had a little hometown feel for him as the favorite.
Look for both UT and Duke to be up in the rankings this year as they have both added players and lost none that I know of.
TN #1 Adam Walton graduated.
collegetennisisthebest
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Tennessee will have Blaise Bicknell eligible to play in Spring. They did lose Walton. They also added 3 or 4 other transfers. Kent Hunter from LSU will help them. They also added LSU's number 5 or 6....and Purdue's number 2. I will be surprised if Brancatelli from Purdue can help Tennessee.
Figured I may have missed a graduate. I came to post what you did. Monday is a legit #1 and Matsui is very good. I still think UT is deeper with their host of transfers.
Did she? 'My understanding' and 'If I recall correctly' is not exactly convincing. I personally know several former college players who played pro tournaments they entered as amateurs, and none received any prize money beyond their expenses, which they had to itemize very specifically, even when they turned pro later. And her scenario that a player could 'live it up' is ridiculous.
@Gracelhink's post seems a more likely scenario, which seems to be something very new.
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