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Ex-Georgetown coach sentenced in bribery case

Gordon Ernst, a former Georgetown University tennis coach, was sentenced Friday to 2 1/2 years in prison for pocketing more than $3 million in the well-publicized college admissions bribery scandal.
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Surrounded by families with wealth and prestige at Georgetown, Ernst -- whose starting salary was $55,000 -- told himself he wasn't hurting anyone or his team by accepting the bribes, his lawyers wrote.

I am very surprised that there aren't more cheating scandals in college tennis. Paying a tennis coach 55K/year at Georgetown University, in one of highest cost of living area in the US. What do they expect?
 
bobleenov1963 said:
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Ex-Georgetown coach sentenced in bribery case

Gordon Ernst, a former Georgetown University tennis coach, was sentenced Friday to 2 1/2 years in prison for pocketing more than $3 million in the well-publicized college admissions bribery scandal.
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Surrounded by families with wealth and prestige at Georgetown, Ernst -- whose starting salary was $55,000 -- told himself he wasn't hurting anyone or his team by accepting the bribes, his lawyers wrote.

I am very surprised that there aren't more cheating scandals in college tennis. Paying a tennis coach 55K/year at Georgetown University, in one of highest cost of living area in the US. What do they expect?
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So if I'm following you here, the coach/felon is the victim, due to his accepting the coaching job at Georgetown knowing he was being "under paid", then scamming the system? Okay, thanks.

His salary had nothing to do with cheating the system, others who were paid more in cities with cost of living index's that are much better than D.C. perpetrated the same scam. He could have made more money teaching lessons on the side, teaching a class, running summer camps, etc. He's a crook of his own doing. Period.
 
andfor said:
So if I'm following you here, the coach/felon is the victim, due to his accepting the coaching job at Georgetown knowing he was being "under paid", then scamming the system? Okay, thanks.

His salary had nothing to do with cheating the system, others who were paid more in cities with cost of living index's that are much better than D.C. perpetrated the same scam. He could have made more money teaching lessons on the side, teaching a class, running summer camps, etc. He's a crook of his own doing. Period.
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I am not condoning what he did and certainly what he did is wrong.

That being said, paying the coach 55K/yr by Georgetown University is not right either. By doing so, the school administration created an environment where situations like this are more likely to occur.

It is like paying police a low salary thus forcing them to work other jobs to make money in places such as bars. In an environment where you see lot of money exchanging hands, it is likely to corrupt the police, just saying.
 
andfor said:
So if I'm following you here, the coach/felon is the victim, due to his accepting the coaching job at Georgetown knowing he was being "under paid", then scamming the system? Okay, thanks.

His salary had nothing to do with cheating the system, others who were paid more in cities with cost of living index's that are much better than D.C. perpetrated the same scam. He could have made more money teaching lessons on the side, teaching a class, running summer camps, etc. He's a crook of his own doing. Period.
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Or just allowing the market to drive wages up by not taking a tennis coaching job. He could have made more as an elementary teacher.
 
bobleenov1963 said:
I am not condoning what he did and certainly what he did is wrong.

That being said, paying the coach 55K/yr by Georgetown University is not right either. By doing so, the school administration created an environment where situations like this are more likely to occur.

It is like paying police a low salary thus forcing them to work other jobs to make money in places such as bars. In an environment where you see lot of money exchanging hands, it is likely to corrupt the police, just saying.
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I agree with this perspective.
 
Texas pays its head tennis coaches some ~$300k. Plus bonuses/raises for titles... In most public schools (i know georgetown is a private university), from high school to college, aren't the highest paid individuals admin and sports coaches? Highest paid public positions in general school sports?

The $55k salary could be reflective of where the schools values are.
 
I think we can all agree that 55k is not the best-paying job in the world. However even if he made 300k a year, that is still nothing compared to the 3 million he made in accepting bribes.
 
bobleenov1963 said:
I am not condoning what he did and certainly what he did is wrong.

That being said, paying the coach 55K/yr by Georgetown University is not right either. By doing so, the school administration created an environment where situations like this are more likely to occur.

It is like paying police a low salary thus forcing them to work other jobs to make money in places such as bars. In an environment where you see lot of money exchanging hands, it is likely to corrupt the police, just saying.
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Many college coaches teach lessons on the side, have camps etc. I know a coaches at strong programs with good salaries (low 6 figures) in reasonable cost of living areas that about double their pay every year with their summer camps.

Respectfully, HAHA, while I understand your analogy, I completely disagree with the low paid police working at a bar, etc. Essential vs. non-essential job.

Regardless, something tells me this dude didn't have to take the job.

jangotango said:
Texas pays its head tennis coaches some ~$300k. Plus bonuses/raises for titles... In most public schools (i know georgetown is a private university), from high school to college, aren't the highest paid individuals admin and sports coaches? Highest paid public positions in general school sports?

The $55k salary could be reflective of where the schools values are.
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UT-Austin? I thought the coaches there had salaries around the $150K level and made around another $150K in camps.
 
jangotango said:
Texas pays its head tennis coaches some ~$300k. Plus bonuses/raises for titles... In most public schools (i know georgetown is a private university), from high school to college, aren't the highest paid individuals admin and sports coaches? Highest paid public positions in general school sports?

The $55k salary could be reflective of where the schools values are.
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Yes. Those coaches are football and basketball coaches.
 
Posters here suggested he pursue a side hustle. I thought that's what he did.

He wasn't hurting anybody. Don't feel too bad for colleges now
 
andfor said:
Spots he reserved for student athletes that would not have qualified legitimately could have gone to students that qualified based on actual merit.
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What he did was wrong, no question about it. That being said, the university creates an environment where these types of things are more likely to occur. The cost to attend is 80K/year and the school pays its tennis coach 55K/year, and that is before taxes. In other words, the school implicitly creates this bribery situation. Just saying.
 
andfor said:
Spots he reserved for student athletes that would not have qualified legitimately could have gone to students that qualified based on actual merit.
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Possible, but only if the university has exactly N admissions to make in a given year, so that the one admission per year that he rigged makes it N-1 valid admissions and 1 extra.


That's not how college admissions works, though. They offer k*N students admission, where they hope to get APPROXIMATELY N students to accept the offer, and the value of k is based on their recent experience in getting applicants to accept offers.


The incoming class sizes are not identical from year to year as a result of the inexactness. So, it they set aside 1 spot because a coach asked for it, they are still going to offer k*N applicants a spot, as these are just rough numbers every year.


That does not make bribery any less illegal, but we need to be clear about the real world consequences here. If 20 coaches in different sports asked for 1 spot a year because they all got bribed, it would start to make a difference in the number of offers the college puts out.
 
I’m reading things in this thread that make me sad about the world we live in.

There are hundreds of millions of honest underpaid workers around the world who would work overtime if they could make $55k/year.

Then there are plenty of overpaid folks who have lost perspective.
 
bobleenov1963 said:
What he did was wrong, no question about it. That being said, the university creates an environment where these types of things are more likely to occur. The cost to attend is 80K/year and the school pays its tennis coach 55K/year, and that is before taxes. In other words, the school implicitly creates this bribery situation. Just saying.
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He was there for 10 years...could he not find a different coaching job that would pay more money? Either that or he was a lousy coach.

Don't blame the school. Was a gun pointed to his head to accept 55k a year? That was HIS choice to accept the job. Or not.

If nobody takes the job, then it forces the school to pony up more money for the coaching salary.
 
andfor said:
Spots he reserved for student athletes that would not have qualified legitimately could have gone to students that qualified based on actual merit.
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Bribery is the merit just as it is performance droogs. This game takes sacrifice. This ain't disney
 
Permitlady said:
Bribery is the merit just as it is performance droogs. This game takes sacrifice. This ain't disney
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Wherever you are in life, you can make the choice of either right or wrong. He's not a baby who might not know the difference between right and wrong. He's a grown adult and he chose wrong. And got caught. No need to defend him.
 
Infact he chose 'wrong' in two instances. The second one was to accept bribes. The first one to keep working the $55k/yr job.
 
travlerajm said:
I’m reading things in this thread that make me sad about the world we live in.

There are hundreds of millions of honest underpaid workers around the world who would work overtime if they could make $55k/year.

Then there are plenty of overpaid folks who have lost perspective.
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It is a problem when the tennis coach who is responsible for coaching and mentoring these athletes make less than the tuition pay to the university by the student parent. The university invites corruption.
 
bobleenov1963 said:
It is a problem when the tennis coach who is responsible for coaching and mentoring these athletes make less than the tuition pay to the university by the student parent. The university invites corruption.
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A maid at a ritzy hotel gets paid less per day than the hotel guests pay for a room service meal. Does that mean that the hotel is inviting her to do corrupt special favors for guests on the side?
 
bobleenov1963 said:
It is a problem when the tennis coach who is responsible for coaching and mentoring these athletes make less than the tuition pay to the university by the student parent. The university invites corruption.
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Something tells me that annual student tuition costs do not equate to employee annual starting salary levels.
 
travlerajm said:
A maid at a ritzy hotel gets paid less per day than the hotel guests pay for a room service meal. Does that mean that the hotel is inviting her to do corrupt special favors for guests on the side?
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The maid at an expensive hotel does not interact directly with customers on a daily basis. The tennis coach at Georgetown University interacts directly with "student athletes" at least 20 hours a week. That's the difference. Again, I don't condone what he did and it was completely wrong on his part but I am not letting Georgetown University off the hook either. At 55K/year salary, he probably needs to live in the South East part of DC, and it is a dangerous place.
 
bobleenov1963 said:
The maid at an expensive hotel does not interact directly with customers on a daily basis. The tennis coach at Georgetown University interacts directly with "student athletes" at least 20 hours a week. That's the difference. Again, I don't condone what he did and it was completely wrong on his part but I am not letting Georgetown University off the hook either. At 55K/year salary, he probably needs to live in the South East part of DC, and it is a dangerous place.
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Ok. So I take it you don’t tip your hotel maids that well, nor interact with them much. You should try it some time.

What about a high school counselor? They are responsible for interacting directly with student athletes as well, including giving career advice that will impact them for a lifetime. A typical high school counselor makes $40k a year. Is the school district inviting a problem there?
 
travlerajm said:
A maid at a ritzy hotel gets paid less per day than the hotel guests pay for a room service meal. Does that mean that the hotel is inviting her to do corrupt special favors for guests on the side
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travlerajm said:
Ok. So I take it you don’t tip your hotel maids that well, nor interact with them much. You should try it some time.

What about a high school counselor? They are responsible for interacting directly with student athletes as well, including giving career advice that will impact them for a lifetime. A typical high school counselor makes $40k a year. Is the school district inviting a problem there?
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Well, there's a nationwide shortage of school counselors so, yeah, it could be connected to salary and the school district determines that, so you could argue they invited the problem.

I think it's fair to say that when people are underpaid they're more inclined to supplement their income, sometimes illegally. Doesn't make it right, but it does make it more likely to happen.
 
The US spends the fifth most amount of dollars per student, yet we are middle of the pack when it comes to educational outcomes. Even controlled for less diverse, wealthier states (Massachusetts, for example), the US underperforms. Canada is also very diverse and does much better. Childhood poverty is right at the OECD average. Vietnam has MUCH higher childhood poverty rates and beats the US in education.
 
travlerajm said:
Ok. So I take it you don’t tip your hotel maids that well, nor interact with them much. You should try it some time.

What about a high school counselor? They are responsible for interacting directly with student athletes as well, including giving career advice that will impact them for a lifetime. A typical high school counselor makes $40k a year. Is the school district inviting a problem there?
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When I travel for work related, I normally get $100 per diem and because conferences that I attended also provided breakfast so I tip the hotel workers $20/day for each day that I stayed. I leave the hotel at 7am and don't come back until 5pm so I do not see the people cleaning the room and fixing the bed.

You can argue that a HS counselor's 40K/year salary is higher than the cost of educating a high school teenager at a public school, around 18K/year I think. Tuition at Georgetown University is 80k/year and the tennis coach gets paid 55K/year. Something is wrong with that. The school is asking for trouble with operation varsity blue.
 
jangotango said:
The highest paid public employees are either football coaches, basketball coaches, or college admins
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Yes at the college level. At the HS level, coaches get paid very little. In Fairfax County Public School, a HS tennis coach gets paid around 2K for three months of coaching a HS varsity team.
 
jrtennisparent said:
Well, there's a nationwide shortage of school counselors so, yeah, it could be connected to salary and the school district determines that, so you could argue they invited the problem.

I think it's fair to say that when people are underpaid they're more inclined to supplement their income, sometimes illegally. Doesn't make it right, but it does make it more likely to happen.
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I’m going to throw a red on this.

I’ve been living much of the time in a third world country with high corruption index. What I’ve found is that there is a direct relationship between the size of someone’s paycheck and the likelihood of being corrupt.

That is, the hotel maids and restaurant servers who make up the underclass are the least corrupt people here. They don’t consider breaking the rules. They just keep their head down and do their jobs.

The ones doing most of the corruption are the 1-percenters who make 100x as much and feel entitled to whatever else they can get away with.
 
Those hotel workers better keep their heads down unless they have a union.

And you don't think restaurant workers eat your food? Steal tips? Turnover in restaurants is crazy. Lets not be naive.

College is the most corrupt institution in the Western world today. Classes are made up, books cost the price of a playstation 5, and kids are left with no guarantee. Imagine selling a product like that yourself.

College discriminates against merit everyday legally. Let's not even to there.
 
travlerajm said:
I’m going to throw a red on this.

I’ve been living much of the time in a third world country with high corruption index. What I’ve found is that there is a direct relationship between the size of someone’s paycheck and the likelihood of being corrupt.

That is, the hotel maids and restaurant servers who make up the underclass are the least corrupt people here. They don’t consider breaking the rules. They just keep their head down and do their jobs.

The ones doing most of the corruption are the 1-percenters who make 100x as much and feel entitled to whatever else they can get away with.
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I said "supplement their income, <sometimes> illegally". Not saying underpaid people are more likely to do illegal stuff, I'm saying they're more likely going to find ways to earn additional income. Sometimes it might be illegal, could just as easily not be.
 
Permitlady said:
Those hotel workers better keep their heads down unless they have a union.

And you don't think restaurant workers eat your food? Steal tips? Turnover in restaurants is crazy. Lets not be naive.

College is the most corrupt institution in the Western world today. Classes are made up, books cost the price of a playstation 5, and kids are left with no guarantee. Imagine selling a product like that yourself.

College discriminates against merit everyday legally. Let's not even to there.
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This is so true. College graduation will start in four weeks and more than half of those college grads will end up with useless degrees and a lot of student loans debt.

Georgetown University is one of the oldest Catholic and Jesuit higher learning in the United States and it pays the tennis coach 55k/year while charging 80K/year for undergrad. So shameful.
 
I was looking into this a little. Ernst's final salary at Georgetown was $85,000. Maybe the salary of $55,000 was his salary his first year at Georgetown. Ironically, his salary at Rhode Island to be the women's coach was going to be $40,000.
 
jrtennisparent said:
I think it's fair to say that when people are underpaid they're more inclined to supplement their income, sometimes illegally. Doesn't make it right, but it does make it more likely to happen.
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True, my uncle was a high school chemistry teacher in the American southwest and turned to illegal activities late in life. Destroyed his family. Things could have been different if he’d been paid better throughout his teaching career.
 
mikej said:
True, my uncle was a high school chemistry teacher in the American southwest and turned to illegal activities late in life. Destroyed his family. Things could have been different if he’d been paid better throughout his teaching career.
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Oh ffs, I said they're "more inclined to supplement their income, <sometimes> illegally".

People who are underpaid often try to find additional ways to make money. That's my point.
Sometimes they do it legally, sometimes illegally.
 
mikej said:
True, my uncle was a high school chemistry teacher in the American southwest and turned to illegal activities late in life. Destroyed his family. Things could have been different if he’d been paid better throughout his teaching career.
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He should have kept quiet instead of going on a spending spree. He had a membership at Chevy Chase CC, a very expensive CC in the DC/Maryland/Virginia, which has a 100K initiation fee and a 10K/year annual fee. I am not aware of anyone with a CC membership on a 55K/yr salary.
 
jrtennisparent said:
Oh ffs, I said they're "more inclined to supplement their income, <sometimes> illegally".

People who are underpaid often try to find additional ways to make money. That's my point.
Sometimes they do it legally, sometimes illegally.
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Yeah, I would’ve never seen it coming from uncle Walt. Had always been nice and mild-mannered towards me growing up. Next thing you know, lots of bodies in his wake.
 
mikej said:
Yeah, I would’ve never seen it coming from uncle Walt. Had always been nice and mild-mannered towards me growing up. Next thing you know, lots of bodies in his wake.
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mikej said:
True, my uncle was a high school chemistry teacher in the American southwest and turned to illegal activities late in life. Destroyed his family. Things could have been different if he’d been paid better throughout his teaching career.
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Guessing your uncle may also had a terminal disease and had a violent temper, however although he was at odds with his family due to his illegal income supplement choice, was rather successful from an alternative income perspective?
 
andfor said:
Guessing your uncle may also had a terminal disease and had a violent temper, however although he was at odds with his family due to his illegal income supplement choice, was rather successful from an alternative income perspective?
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He did make a lot of money with his cooking and pest control talents, yes. Walt knew a lot of people, not surprised he crossed paths with you also. RV park?
 
Lefty Spin said:
Here is a link to an article on the situation. It discusses his salary, career, cost of his home and other expenses. https://www.providencejournal.com/story/news/courts/2019/04/21/golden-boy-ernst-s-fall/5383635007/
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According to the article: In 2012, they bought a home in tony Chevy Chase, Maryland, that is now assessed at $1.4 million. In 2015, he bought a condo in Falmouth, Massachusetts, for $530,000. He had a membership at the Chevy Chase Club, which calls itself the “Queen of Clubs.”

How is that even possible with a 85K salary?

He graduated from Brown University, gave lessons to Obama, and hung out with powerful people. There is a much easier way to make money for him. Apparently, just because you attended an Ivy doesn't make you smart :cool:
 
mikej said:
He did make a lot of money with his cooking and pest control talents, yes. Walt knew a lot of people, not surprised he crossed paths with you also. RV park?
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The circumstances around where and when I met your uncle are confidential. I know you'll understand.
 
bobleenov1963 said:
According to the article: In 2012, they bought a home in tony Chevy Chase, Maryland, that is now assessed at $1.4 million. In 2015, he bought a condo in Falmouth, Massachusetts, for $530,000. He had a membership at the Chevy Chase Club, which calls itself the “Queen of Clubs.”

How is that even possible with a 85K salary?

He graduated from Brown University, gave lessons to Obama, and hung out with powerful people. There is a much easier way to make money for him. Apparently, just because you attended an Ivy doesn't make you smart :cool:
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Bob, he was simply corrupt. Money or the lack there of and education status have nothing to do with that. Bernie Madoff, Michal Milkan, SBF, the list goes on around those who had millions some billions and still scammed others.
 
andfor said:
Bob, he was simply corrupt. Money or the lack there of and education status have nothing to do with that. Bernie Madoff, Michal Milkan, SBF, the list goes on around those who had millions some billions and still scammed others.
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I don't disagree with you. He could have made a lot of money the right way with an Ivy league degree and connections with powerful people but I guess he decided to scam others. According to the article, his father was also involved in another scandal. I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
 
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