College tennis, will American men always get shafted?

silentkman

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Yes. The most physically gifted get to the nfl.

Not that much skill involved in catching a football. Or blocking. Or tackling someone.

Like 53 guys on a team and play for a total of 11 minutes. If lucky might play half of that considering players only
Play offense or defense.

Saying because a a guy is a cornerback he could have played high level tennis is a total joke
Your comments are an absolute joke. Most cornerbacks have the body type to play tennis. Do you actually know what a cornerback is? they made the right decision to play football. Like i said, you know ZERO about sports. it's sad that you are tennis snob. I love tennis as much as anyone, Isner and Anderson made it because of their height. they could never win over 9% of their return games.
 
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Your comments are an absolute joke. Most cornerbacks have the body type to play tennis. Do you actually know what cornerback is? they made the right decision to play football. Like i said, you know ZERO about sports. it's sad that you are tennis slob. I love tennis as much as anyone, Isner and Anderson made it because of their height. they could never win over 9% of their return games.
They can have all the brain damage they want. If that’s the right decision, good for them. As you pointed out, 99 percent get the brain damage , and messed up bodies, and don’t make a dollar.

They have zero skill to play tennis. Just because someone is the “right size” doest’t mean their skills translate to tennis. You don’t become a 14 utr just because you are athletic
 
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silentkman

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They can have all the brain damage they want. If that’s the right decision, good for them. As you pointed out, most get the brain damage and don’t make a dollar.

They have zero skill to play tennis. Just because someone is the “right size” doest’t mean their skills translate to tennis. You don’t become a 14 utr just because you are athletic
Now it's the brain damage issue. just proves my point about your lack of knowledge. obviously you hate something you know nothing about. Your last sentence is implying that tennis players are not athletic. That's how some people see tennis players and you feed into the non athletic narrative.
 
Can’t believe this thread got revived and in such an…interesting…fashion. We’re a ways in here and I feel like I’ve got no better sense of what @Tennis2349 believes, so maybe best to just ask. I think these are really straightforward questions that should be able to get really straightforward answers. Should be a couple of numbers and some “Yes or No” stuff.

- What percentage of NCAA tennis roster spots would you find acceptable for foreigners?

- What percentage of NCAA tennis scholarships would you find acceptable for foreigners?

- Do you advocate for these same policies and percentages across all NCAA sports?

- You have advocated for protectionism over competitiveness - should that extend down to the state level? Why should South Carolina’s tax dollars go towards opportunities for kids from Georgia? If you see this differently from the national issue, why?

- Do you feel differently about schools that aren’t primarily funded by tax dollars (I’d argue basically zero scholarship money anywhere is tax funded, but I’ll accept your premise here)? If Harvard or Duke wants to field a team of foreign players why shouldn’t they be able to do that as private institutions?

This is my last attempt at trying to treat this as a good faith argument rather than an incredibly xenophobic “they’re taking our jobs!” rant with some tennis sprinkled in.
 

bobleenov1963

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You are tripping again. I didn't forget anything. Show me the example where a kid ran a 4.4 40 and poof a D1 scholarship. to use your words, that's 1000% false. the percentage of football players that become Pros is 1 percent or less. It's obvious that you know nothing about football. Are you familiar with line calls made by the center?
You can play in the NFL without even playing football in college, Renaldo Nehemiah is an example. He ran track and field at the University in my backyard, the Terrapins, U. of Maryland, and played in the NFL without even playing football in college: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaldo_Nehemiah
 

bobleenov1963

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Can’t believe this thread got revived and in such an…interesting…fashion. We’re a ways in here and I feel like I’ve got no better sense of what @Tennis2349 believes, so maybe best to just ask. I think these are really straightforward questions that should be able to get really straightforward answers. Should be a couple of numbers and some “Yes or No” stuff.

- What percentage of NCAA tennis roster spots would you find acceptable for foreigners?

- What percentage of NCAA tennis scholarships would you find acceptable for foreigners?

- Do you advocate for these same policies and percentages across all NCAA sports?

- You have advocated for protectionism over competitiveness - should that extend down to the state level? Why should South Carolina’s tax dollars go towards opportunities for kids from Georgia? If you see this differently from the national issue, why?

- Do you feel differently about schools that aren’t primarily funded by tax dollars (I’d argue basically zero scholarship money anywhere is tax funded, but I’ll accept your premise here)? If Harvard or Duke wants to field a team of foreign players why shouldn’t they be able to do that as private institutions?

This is my last attempt at trying to treat this as a good faith argument rather than an incredibly xenophobic “they’re taking our jobs!” rant with some tennis sprinkled in.
Private institutions can do whatever they want as long as any taxpayers do not go to subsidize foreign players. That also includes donations because they are tax exempts. Public universities take money from taxpayers so they should not be allowed to do this. If foreign players want to attend these universities and are willing to pay three times the tuition as state residents, they are more than welcomed to come. Otherwise, NO!

We call it the "United States of America" for a reason. There are reciprocity between states. I live in Virginia but work in MD so I pay income VA tax but not MD tax. People who live in Maryland but work in Virginia pay MD tax but not VA tax. It is essentially a wash.

To answer your question about "Why should South Carolina’s tax dollars go towards opportunities for kids from Georgia". It happens all the times in things such as medical school acceptance. If you look at the medical school acceptance at the University of South Carolina for the past ten years, about 80% of the incoming medical class at the Gamecocks university are from the state of South Carolina.
 
Rules are set, and they will not always be perfect.

NIL is in conflict with the rules of obtaining a visa to attend college, thus it becomes murky. But the USA govt is pretty clear on rules regarding coming here to earn money with certain visas.

Title 9 discriminates against men playing sports other than football. And I don’t think it’s intent was to hurt American men to help foreign women.

Rules change about trans athletes and if they should be able to win biological women’s events.

And yes, we look at tax dollars paid when determining the tuition amount for in state or out of state tuition.

So there will always be some who are hurt, a system that isn’t 100 percent fair for all, and life moves on. Even junior team tennis has neighborhood residency requirements with quotas.

My views might be more extreme than what society would find as acceptable. But on the other hand, having 60-70 percent of a collegiate sport being populated by foreigners is also extreme.

In my opinion, in all college sports Americans should be given priority. We go to school here, live here, pay the taxes, fund the junior programs in all sports, and pay other taxes that fund the ability for that university to even exist. What is the highest honor? To become an “all
American”.

I feel for American athletes state residency should not matter.

Zero sports scholarship for foreigners.

And if you want to come here for an education, go for it. After all, that’s the main point to colleges even existing.

If we have to draw the line somewhere, I would say college sports are for Americans, and an athletes needs at least one American parent with at least a green card.

Perhaps one day foreign nations can step up and follow our collegiate model to educate and develop their athletes. And we could have international collegiate competitions. If Europeans think mixing education and athletics together is dumb, well that’s their culture and don’t send the athletes here to do it.

Dumping them here to be trained and educated only benefits those specific foreign players and families, and maybe the American coach hoping to get ringers for quick w’s.

Something better would arise. I don’t have every answer. But people use Amazon after the internet came into existence. Amazon wasn’t planned and developed before the internet. Nor would that even be possible.

Squishing top athletes around the world into existing finite positions, for only select sports, in America isn’t the answer.

You would probably see foreign tennis decline, and American tennis flourish. What is the foreign kids incentive at 15 years old? Wont be good enough to go pro. Might as well do something else. Can’t play in the USA.

The American kids will have a realistic shot at d1 positions and scholarships and will work twice as hard to beat out other Americans.
 
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silentkman

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You can play in the NFL without even playing football in college, Renaldo Nehemiah is an example. He ran track and field at the University in my backyard, the Terrapins, U. of Maryland, and played in the NFL without even playing football in college: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaldo_Nehemiah
You know you can play tennis without playing in college too. lol. horrible example. Dude was horrible. He caught 43 passes in three years.
Better examples would be Otis Sistrunk(Unv of Mars) and Eric Swann is a better example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Swann ; Swann was actually drafted in the first round and made the pro Bowl twice. You will always have extreme outliers everywhere. some teams actually have open tryouts, looking for that Diamond in the rough. Look at Jordan Mailata. Try doing a modicum of research for once.
 

bobleenov1963

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You know you can play tennis without playing in college too. lol. horrible example. Dude was horrible. He caught 43 passes in three years.
Better examples would be Otis Sistrunk(Unv of Mars) and Eric Swann is a better example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Swann ; Swann was actually drafted in the first round and made the pro Bowl twice. You will always have extreme outliers everywhere. some teams actually have open tryouts, looking for that Diamond in the rough. Look at Jordan Mailata. Try doing a modicum of research for once.
Moving the goal post? Here is what you said "Show me the example where a kid ran a 4.4 40 and poof a D1 scholarship"

Swann did play in HS and about to play in college but rule academically ineligible. Nehemiah didn't play football in HS, at least not officially.

Well Nehemiah played in the NFL and without playing football in college and he probably under 4.2 40 at the NFL combine before they started tracking that thing. What you said "he is horrible" is relative. Anyone making it to the NFL gets my respect. I doubt you even make it to the practice squad :-D
 

silentkman

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Moving the goal post? Here is what you said "Show me the example where a kid ran a 4.4 40 and poof a D1 scholarship"

Swann did play in HS and about to play in college but rule academically ineligible. Nehemiah didn't play football in HS, at least not officially.

Well Nehemiah played in the NFL and without playing football in college and he probably under 4.2 40 at the NFL combine before they started tracking that thing. What you said "he is horrible" is relative. Anyone making it to the NFL gets my respect. I doubt you even make it to the practice squad :-D
Dude i never mention the NFL. it clearly says D1 scholarship. Nehemiah was a bum that made it to the NFL because he was fast and he was well known. I remember him clearly, could not run the route tree. After that hit, he went back to track. A lot of bums made the NFL. I have a better chance of being on practice squad than you. asked anybody who watched him play. I read the Swann bio, no need to repeat it again.
 

bobleenov1963

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Dude i never mention the NFL. it clearly says D1 scholarship. Nehemiah was a bum that made it to the NFL because he was fast and he was well known. I remember him clearly, could not run the route tree. After that hit, he went back to track. A lot of bums made the NFL. I have a better chance of being on practice squad than you. asked anybody who watched him play. I read the Swann bio, no need to repeat it again.
Here is your problem. Nehemiah received a scholarship at the University of Maryland to run track and field. So he did run under 4.4 40 and got a D1 scholarship.

Lot of bums made the NFL, really? It is like telling an 250th ATP player that he is a bump. So when you said "the percentage of football players that become Pros is 1 percent or less", they are bums? What a ridiculous statement.
 

andfor

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Here is your problem. Nehemiah received a scholarship at the University of Maryland to run track and field. So he did run under 4.4 40 and got a D1 scholarship.

Lot of bums made the NFL, really? It is like telling an 250th ATP player that he is a bump. So when you said "the percentage of football players that become Pros is 1 percent or less", they are bums? What a ridiculous statement.
The 9'ers picked him up based on potential only. He didn't do much in 3 yrs and rightfully stated was not a good FB player. The 250th ranked tennis pro earned his way to that spot by winning matches. There's the difference.
 

bobleenov1963

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The 9'ers picked him up based on potential only. He didn't do much in 3 yrs and rightfully stated was not a good FB player. The 250th ranked tennis pro earned his way to that spot by winning matches. There's the difference.
During his three years as a wide receiver Nehemiah caught 43 passes for 754 yards, a 17.5 average, and four touchdowns. While that is not Tyreek Hill's number, it is a respectable number. David Tyree 2007 season, Tyree had four receptions for 35 yards with no touchdowns. Therefore, David Tyree must be a bum too.
 

silentkman

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Here is your problem. Nehemiah received a scholarship at the University of Maryland to run track and field. So he did run under 4.4 40 and got a D1 scholarship.

Lot of bums made the NFL, really? It is like telling an 250th ATP player that he is a bump. So when you said "the percentage of football players that become Pros is 1 percent or less", they are bums? What a ridiculous statement.
Here is your problem, actually, he ran a 4.1 for a track scholarship not football. The topic was football not track until you mentioned it. You like switching topics randomly. Based on his YPR he only ran one route.

Do I need to bring Jamarcus Russell into the conversation? Dude it's not even close to comparing the 250th ranked player to a NFL bum. The 250Th ranked player is busting his ass trying to make ends meet. The number actually applies to high school players becoming pros. The NFL is my favorite sport. You have to be special to have a long career. The are a number of guys they don't love the game and just want the money. they don't last long. Your statements are getting more ridiculous by the moment. Google can be your friend.
 
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The 9'ers picked him up based on potential only. He didn't do much in 3 yrs and rightfully stated was not a good FB player. The 250th ranked tennis pro earned his way to that spot by winning matches. There's the difference.
The 250th tennis player spent 10,000 hours just playing tennis to develop that skill.

To get the skill down of running a route and catching a ball does not take 10,000 hours. The vast majority is natural talent and athletic ability.

A track guy can become a receiver in a short period of time. The track guy cannot become a 15 utr in 2 years. Would be lucky to make it to 6 utr. Which means a good, but tiny weak 12 yr old would smoke him .

Most tennis players who get to the highest level start at 6-7 and play daily for ten years.
 
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bobleenov1963

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David Tyree absolutely is/was a bum. A bum with one incredibly lucky high profile moment, but a bum.

Hope this helps!
You call David Tyree, a 2005 Pro Bowl player and an All Pro, a bum. Interesting.

Here is your problem, actually, he ran a 4.1 for a track scholarship not football. The topic was football not track until you mentioned it. You like switching topics randomly. Based on his YPR he only ran one route.

Do I need to bring Jamarcus Russell into the conversation? Dude it's not even close to comparing the 250th ranked player to a NFL bum. The 250Th ranked player is busting his ass trying to make ends meet. The number actually applies to high school players becoming pros. The NFL is my favorite sport. You have to be special to have a long career. The are a number of guys they don't love the game and just want the money. they don't last long. Your statements are getting more ridiculous by the moment. Google can be your friend.
Jamarcus Russell was the first overall pick in the 2007 NFL draft. Nehemiah, the bum as you called him, was a 6th round draft pick, a big difference. The average career is 3.3 years so Nehemiah career, 3 years, is average but he is no bum.
 

silentkman

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You call David Tyree, a 2005 Pro Bowl player and an All Pro, a bum. Interesting.


Jamarcus Russell was the first overall pick in the 2007 NFL draft. Nehemiah, the bum as you called him, was a 6th round draft pick, a big difference. The average career is 3.3 years so Nehemiah career, 3 years, is average but he is no bum.
You have gone over the deep end. Jamarcus Russell was a bum and so was Nehemiah. read the stories on Russell.
 

andfor

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The 250th tennis player spent 10,000 hours just playing tennis to develop that skill.

To get the skill down of running a route and catching a ball does not take 10,000 hours. The vast majority is natural talent and athletic ability.

A track guy can become a receiver in a short period of time. The track guy cannot become a 15 utr in 2 years. Would be lucky to make it to 6 utr. Which means a good, but tiny weak 12 yr old would smoke him .

Most tennis players who get to the highest level start at 6-7 and play daily for ten years.
We're saying the same thing.
 
as stated, it happens in golf as well. A sport in which a participant plays against the course.

So is that to get the coach an easier win? Or we are saying that also improves American golfers? Clearly it’s the former

It would be similar to universities having engineering competitions. And they want to win! Win at all costs!

So the idea would be to scout the most brilliant from China, Germany, India and divert all the resources and training to them. So brilliant American kids are left out. By sheer numbers geniuses are distributed around the world.

American kids would have to be the brightest out of 1000 high schools to get a spot.

Would that somehow encourage more young Americans to get into engineering? Knowing the chances of getting a spot are nearly impossible?

And American taxpayers would be like “well I am glad to pay for it! UGA really needs to win that competition over ga tech!” It would sound ridiculous.
 

mikej

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I know you don’t actually follow college tennis but 7 of the 8 quarter finalists in the men’s NCAA individual are Americans.
Great. I was just listening to 100 responses that Americans are lazy, not as good, foreigners are better, our best athletes don’t play tennis. Only if nfl cornerbacks played tennis… Etc etc
 
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jcgatennismom

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Great. I was just listening to 100 responses that Americans are lazy, not as good, foreigners are better, our best athletes don’t play tennis. Only if nfl cornerbacks played tennis… Etc etc
All 7 were in the top 10 of their class from soph-sr year. They all played junior ITFs so they had experience playing international players before college. There are 150K boys playing high school tennis-35-40K per each class year. There are 1800 boys listed in the junior class of 2025 for TRN. So out of US junior tournament players, there is about a 1/200 chance of reaching the level of these US QFs. Out of guys who just play HS tennis, 1 in 4000 chance of reaching that level really less since almost all the top players are home or virtually schooled. On the bright side, almost 1/3 of the guys who committed to d3 tennis in 2023 had no TRN stars-meaning there is a great chance for high school players to join a D3 team. There is a very low chance of a player under 4 stars (top 200 per class in nation of tournament players) joining the roster of a P5 team. If they do, they are probably the son of a booster or tennis alumni. Yet in recent years the #1 of a SEC school was only a 4 star (#76-200) junior. He was not homeschooled either, played for his HS team and played most of his tourney events in the summer. Another young man who had 4-5 siblings played #1 on a MM d1 didnt even play UsTA in HS. He played #1 for a GA HS that usually reached QFs of state, summer circuits, and some Futures.

A player can start from age 8-12 and train to 18. Most who put in effort for that long will reach 2 star but there is a big difference between a 2 star and blue chip. Just because someone trained for 10 years and worked hard does not mean they deserve a D1 spot based on nationality. However, odds are very high they can play D3. That said the top D3 is competitive with many D1 schools, and UVA who was ranked in top 4 most of the season had a grad player from D3.

If we on this board implied US players were lazy, maybe it would be better to say they have less initiative and maturity than many international players. A lot of that falls on parents who arrange matchplay for their juniors, manage their tournament schedule, etc. We once hosted a junior international player for 3 weeks in US to play jr ITFs and we were impressed by how much he managed his tennis experience on his own. He wanted to play a tournament 3-4 hours drive away to be seen by a college coach-no one he knew was playing it. He asked around to find contact info of registered players, cold called them, and found a ride to the event. He also only had a 10K budget per year for college and he managed his own recruiting without an agency. He ended up playing D2.
 
All 7 were in the top 10 of their class from soph-sr year. They all played junior ITFs so they had experience playing international players before college. There are 150K boys playing high school tennis-35-40K per each class year. There are 1800 boys listed in the junior class of 2025 for TRN. So out of US junior tournament players, there is about a 1/200 chance of reaching the level of these US QFs. Out of guys who just play HS tennis, 1 in 4000 chance of reaching that level really less since almost all the top players are home or virtually schooled. On the bright side, almost 1/3 of the guys who committed to d3 tennis in 2023 had no TRN stars-meaning there is a great chance for high school players to join a D3 team. There is a very low chance of a player under 4 stars (top 200 per class in nation of tournament players) joining the roster of a P5 team.

Your math is way off. There are atleast 500 players each year that are atleast 4 star or above. Why are you saying 200?

Nobody is suggesting 2 stars should
Play d1. Nobody is suggesting most kids who are high school players are serious players. Who is talking about being 1 of the top 8 in college?
 
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jcgatennismom

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Your math is way off. There are atleast 500 players each year that are atleast 4 star or above. Why are you saying 200?

Nobody is suggesting 2 stars should
Play d1. Nobody is suggesting most kids who are high school players are serious players.
Per class year per gender 0-25 blue chip, 26-75 5 star, 76-199 4 star. Now in u18 u could have 500 4 stars and up if u also count the kids 15-16 playing up. However TRn ranks per recruiting class based on graduation year. So what is your expectation?
 

bobleenov1963

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Breaking news: Hitoshi Tai from GT, a foreign student, won the men NCAA 2024 individual golf championship, courtesy of American taxpayers.
 

mikej

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Breaking news: Hitoshi Tai from GT, a foreign student, won the men NCAA 2024 individual golf championship, courtesy of American taxpayers.
Even if it were true that any significant amount of federal spending went towards this college golfer - good - rather my taxes go towards his success than military spending or countless other examples of unchecked federal waste
 

bobleenov1963

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Even if it were true that any significant amount of federal spending went towards this college golfer - good - rather my taxes go towards his success than military spending or countless other examples of unchecked federal waste
So you would be ok if foreign students come to the US to train/learn about high tech and/or military trainings at colleges/universities courtesy of American taxpayers, and use those skills they acquire here in the US to harm Americans or American companies when they returned to their home countries.
 
If you look at something like title 9, the INTENT was to get more women into sports, and ultimately more women into grad school. And it did. With more opportunities down the line, more girls participated from 5 years old until their 20’s.

It doesn’t matter that a 14 yr old boys soccer team would demolish a ncaa div 1 women’s team. It was about athletic and educational participation. It wasn’t about raising the level of men’s sports. It wasn’t about women’s teams making money or having fans.


Clearly the intent was NOT to bring over top female athletes from other countries who already play sports to spend money and resources to make them better. But it morphed into that. Many div 1 womens tennis teams are 100 percent foreign women.

The unintended consequence was that sports are competitive, and coaches want to win to save their job. Every single article you read about this debate interviews coaches and that is their major reasoning. “I want to save my job”.

Similarly it would be quite silly to hand out math scholarships to kids from Finland. They don’t recruit for this because there is no competitive aspect. No coach is worried about winning.


So largely amongst college institutions there is this concept of “fairness”. The student population had to be “diverse” regardless of test scores. 50 percent of athletes must be women, and it doesn’t matter the level. Or sport, or revenue.

Until you get to the top level of certain sports, then it becomes “well, the coach needs a W , and it is 100 percent about merit, even if that means scouring the world to get that w”

So it’s about fairness, and inclusion, and opportunities mainly focusing on the educational aspect, and arbitrary rules are set to enforce that, then it becomes “no this is about coaches winning matches to save their jobs.”
 
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mikej

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So you would be ok if foreign students come to the US to train/learn about high tech and/or military trainings at colleges/universities courtesy of American taxpayers, and use those skills they acquire here in the US to harm Americans or American companies when they returned to their home countries.
Could you delineate how his collegiate golf skills are endangering me and my fellow Americans? Is this like the Happy Gilmore thing where he’s practicing long drives in the middle of neighborhoods?
 

mikej

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That would be super impressive if he was both an NCAA golf champion and has concurrently become one of the leading minds in the world on nuclear submarine technology, for example - maybe we should give him a Nobel.
 

bobleenov1963

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What about the breaking news about the other 7 kids in the quarters? Where is the breaking news on that?
Well I said that last week the '24 NCAA D1 women golf champ is from France, 2nd place finish is from the UK, and 3rd place finish is from Spain, all of them at the courtesy of American taxpayers....
 

bobleenov1963

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That would be super impressive if he was both an NCAA golf champion and has concurrently become one of the leading minds in the world on nuclear submarine technology, for example - maybe we should give him a Nobel.
So you would be OK that he gets the the nuclear submarine training here at GT, one of the best universities in the US, subsidizing by the American taxpayers, then go back to work for China to build better submarines to hunt down US submarines with American sailors in the tube? Can't make this stuffs up.
 

andfor

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What about the breaking news about the other 7 kids in the quarters? Where is the breaking news on that?
And where's the breaking news that Ohio St. has a couple international golfers?
So you would be OK that he gets the the nuclear submarine training here at GT, one of the best universities in the US, subsidizing by the American taxpayers, then go back to work for China to build better submarines to hunt down US submarines with American sailors in the tube? Can't make this stuffs up.
Tai is from Singapore. Your xenophobia is showing.
 

mikej

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So you would be OK that he gets the the nuclear submarine training here at GT, one of the best universities in the US, subsidizing by the American taxpayers, then go back to work for China to build better submarines to hunt down US submarines with American sailors in the tube? Can't make this stuffs up.
So he is now one of the leading minds in the world now in nuclear sub technology??? - that’s what I was trying to confirm - yeah definitely going to nominate for him for Time ‘man of the year’ if he accomplished all that in undergrad, sick resume - at the very least he should get a Dos Equis ‘most interesting man in the world’ commercial
 

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Well I said that last week the '24 NCAA D1 women golf champ is from France, 2nd place finish is from the UK, and 3rd place finish is from Spain, all of them at the courtesy of American taxpayers....

That is not what I am talking about. If European play is so strong and we need them here to boost college play wouldn't they dominate the draw and crush the poor American kids who can't stand up to such dominant play?
 

mikej

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That is not what I am talking about.
To be fair a lot of folks are talking about a lot of different things - we’re 490+ posts into the second thread that was created on this topic - ranging from Dustin Brown playing college tennis, to the 6th round of the 2007 NFL draft, to undergrad student athletes potentially being the brightest nuclear scientists in the world
 

bobleenov1963

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And where's the breaking news that Ohio St. has a couple international golfers?

Tai is from Singapore. Your xenophobia is showing.
You need to stop the xenophobia nonsense.

OSU sucks at golf, with the exception of the golden bears and a few more. It will get cooked by Vandy today at match play.

There is nothing that can stop Tai from going to work for the CCP if he wants to, after getting his training here in the US at the cost of US tax payers $$$. Do you think China will let US students train at its best universities for free?
 

LOBALOT

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To be fair a lot of folks are talking about a lot of different things - we’re 490+ posts into the second thread that was created on this topic - ranging from Dustin Brown playing college tennis, to the 6th round of the 2007 NFL draft, to undergrad student athletes potentially being the brightest nuclear scientists in the world

I agree I probably shouldn't keep poking fun at it but just couldn't resist all the trash talk floating from across the pond. Having spent the last 15 years watching American juniors play we are producing some great players.
 
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