College tennis, will American men always get shafted?

Dude, think what you want. I heard from the horse's mouth.
Which foreign player? Which American? It’s just silly. I know some Brazilian players who had talent and partied way too much. I know an American with Chinese parents who worked 100 times harder. Another American kid with Ukrainian ancestry that would out work anyone.

I know. It is “in” to say Americans are all entitled and lazy. And foreigners are better. Just silly statements.
 

mikej

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Which foreign player? Which American? It’s just silly. I know some Brazilian players who had talent and partied way too much. I know an American with Chinese parents who worked 100 times harder. Another American kid with Ukrainian ancestry that would out work anyone.

I know. It is “in” to say Americans are all entitled and lazy. And foreigners are better. Just silly statements.
Page 9. Did the NCAA President call you to tell you they were dismantling a starting from square one yet?
 

silentkman

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Which foreign player? Which American? It’s just silly. I know some Brazilian players who had talent and partied way too much. I know an American with Chinese parents who worked 100 times harder. Another American kid with Ukrainian ancestry that would out work anyone.

I know. It is “in” to say Americans are all entitled and lazy. And foreigners are better. Just silly statements.
Honestly, I don't know if it's the 'in' thing or not. I just know based upon what I heard. Nothing in life is a 100% absolute. To think that way is silliness personified. it's possible that it has changed within the last 5 years or so. I haven't heard that term the 'in thing' in years.
 

Honestly, I don't know if it's the 'in' thing or not. I just know based upon what I heard. Nothing in life is a 100% absolute. To think that way is silliness personified. it's possible that it has changed within the last 5 years or so. I haven't heard that term the 'in thing' in years.
It just fits the narrative you are trying to argue, or maybe a coach said that so he doesn’t feel as slimy.

I am from the ******* where wrestling is big, and you can’t get more American than those kids. I would like for you to go tell the American wrestlers at Iowa, penn state etc that you heard they are lazier than foreign tennis players. They are just “entitled” Americans.
 

silentkman

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It just fits the narrative you are trying to argue, or maybe a coach said that so he doesn’t feel as slimy.

I am from the ******* where wrestling is big, and you can’t get more American than those kids. I would like for you to go tell the American wrestlers at Iowa, penn state etc that you heard they are lazier than foreign tennis players. They are just “entitled” Americans.
C'mon wrestling is a different ball game. They have nothing in common. in fact, Penn State has pushed the M I D W E S T schools out of the door. Stay on topic.
 

jcgatennismom

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Those in favor of renting foreign kids just spent pages and pages arguing the opposite. How they add to school diversity, inspire youth, make it possible for Americans to meet foreigners Now you are saying they don’t even go to class in person?

Nobody can even prove the level of play is improved by renting foreigners. Perhaps in the short term, but how many later bloomers drop out of the sport to focus on actually attending college because they are only a 9 utr by the time they are a junior in high school?

If this was the same in other sports people like Tom Brady never would have even made a college team.

What would be the incentive for foreigners to train and play be? If not for the future American green card or free training, how many of them would drop out at 15-16? Would their countries not have to come up with something? Or just rely on American taxpayers to care for their kids?
The two WTN numbers are separate singles and doubles ratings.
No actually for some reason my son was a Brit for college results 5.1 and US for future/itf play 4.0. Both singles. He didn’t bother to consolidate so he could use the 4.0 for USTA prize $ tourney seeding. He’s never been to England but does have English cousins with a different last name. LOL
 
C'mon wrestling is a different ball game. They have nothing in common. in fact, Penn State has pushed the M I D W E S T schools out of the door. Stay on topic.
The argument was that Americans don’t work hard lol. So it’s just American tennis players? American tennis players with American parents?

Work ethic is pretty much an individual thing, and making blanket statements like that is absurd.
 

jcgatennismom

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For every one of former college tennis players that are working in investment, finance, corporate, etc..., there are 10 others that struggle financially after their college playing days are over. Most become tennis instructors and barely make end meet. They should read Scott Galloway latest book "The algebra of wealth".
U can try to do both. Son has MBA, Remote FT fintech job, was teaching some on side, and plays a couple higher level prize $ a year.
 

silentkman

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The argument was that Americans don’t work hard lol. So it’s just American tennis players? American tennis players with American parents?

Work ethic is pretty much an individual thing, and making blanket statements like that is absurd.
this is a tennis forum, not a wrestling forum. I don't even follow wrestling, but Penn State is one of the great programs ever.
 

jcgatennismom

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Other countries care much more about the integrity of their educational systems, and would never allow college athletics to dominate university life the way we allow in America
True and those multilingual international athletes often receive merit $ as part of their packages. Tennis teams with 60% internationals as an average at d1 have the highest GPAs of the athletic teams (along with golf). US kids take a final worth 20% of grade while Europeans take levels or IB exams that test cumulative knowledge-that one test may determine their college choices. The European athletes at MMs may be some of the smartest kids on campus-some even balance tennis with engineering or CS major-unlikely at P5.
 
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silentkman

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True and those multilingual international athletes often receive merit $ as part of their packages. Tennis teams with 60% internationals as an average at d1 have the highest GPAs of the athletic teams (along with golf). US kids take a final worth 20% of grade while Europeans take levels or IB exams that test cumulative knowledge-that one test may determine their college choices.
Do foreign schools have soccer?
 

jcgatennismom

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I feel those are just words. “In the USA have an entitlement mentality”. Who?

So in which other nation do tax payers set up a system to train young foreign athletes, pay them, feed them, and educate them?

Would I rather see a full ride go to a 12 utr American boy? Or a 12.8 kid from Croatia? Obviously the American. I attend college matches and don’t get the feeling AT Alll that those in attendance are there because of the foreign kids playing. If you substituted an American 5 star for 13 utr Jose from Brazil, I seriously doubt attendance would be hurt.

It’s not a level playing field for American athletes (tennis players) as they need a back up plan consisting of AP classes, top sat scores, etc just to get accepted into college. Foreign kids are not held to those standards. All
Of the above takes time. And takes time away from tennis.

Just feels slimy to rent players with no attachment to the USA with different academic standards and classes to try and get an easier path to a W.
U see the glass half empty. Consider the opportunities the 16-18yo US junior has to hit with or play against the rest of the world during the summer without leaving the US. Court of dreams-we built it they came. Can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube but US juniors can work it to their advantage. My son at 17 and 18 much preferred playing international and/or older players at tourneys vs the same sectional US guys. USTA is not the best path- there are cheaper prize $, summer circuit, Future Qualis, UTR PTT to give international exposure pre college and maybe earn back more than your entry fee
 

jcgatennismom

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Do foreign schools have soccer?
I think only the US has a multisport college program like NCAA. A few international unis may have a few sports programs that compete with a handful of other colleges but nothing like NCAA with .5MM+ athletes out or which only 5% are international (25k).
 
I think only the US has a multisport college program like NCAA. A few international unis may have a few sports programs that compete with a handful of other colleges but nothing like NCAA with .5MM+ athletes out or which only 5% are international (25k).
Exactly. In total, 5 percent sounds just fine. And you went out of your way to cite that statistic.

But we are on a tennis forum, talking about tennis. What percent of foreigners taking spots do you think would sound good? 5? 50? 96?
 

andfor

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Exactly. In total, 5 percent sounds just fine. And you went out of your way to cite that statistic.

But we are on a tennis forum, talking about tennis. What percent of foreigners taking spots do you think would sound good? 5? 50? 96?
Stop wasting time and go argue with someone that can do something about it. Start with your congressman, or file a lawsuit and let us know how it goes.
 
Page 9. Did the NCAA President call you to tell you they were dismantling a starting from square one yet?
It’s not the point. You haven’t noticed things change in life? The above statement is just boring. Changed the rules for transgender athletes. Football players will get paid. Title 9.

You don’t have to keep responding with the exact same “well that’s how it is. “. I already know that’s how it is.
 

jcgatennismom

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Exactly. In total, 5 percent sounds just fine. And you went out of your way to cite that statistic.

But we are on a tennis forum, talking about tennis. What percent of foreigners taking spots do you think would sound good? 5? 50? 96?
The number of US players in top 100 reached 13 I believe in 2023. Many were college players. One of those Ben Shelton is now in the top 15. College tennis provides a cheaper path and an education while developing US players who weren’t ready to turn pro at 18 or younger. Playing international players with pro experience in college improved their game. Seeing more USPlayers in top 100 could encourage more top US athletes to play tennis. Only 40% of d1 spots go to US players because our best athletes don’t choose to play tennis while in Europe soccer is 1st and tennis may be 2nd. This May all be a moot point as when the bball and football players get paid in the near future there may only be women’s nonrevenue sports that escape the cuts in d1. US men will still have the chance to play high level tennis at top D3 if they are smart and athletic. D3 with no athletic scholarships is 90%+ American. Want a free ride at D1 as an American? Aim for the Naval or Air Force Academy- we know lots of guys from our area who played for those teams
 
The number of US players in top 100 reached 13 I believe in 2023. Many were college players. One of those Ben Shelton is now in the top 15. College tennis provides a cheaper path and an education while developing US players who weren’t ready to turn pro at 18 or younger. Playing international players with pro experience in college improved their game. Seeing more USPlayers in top 100 could encourage more top US athletes to play tennis. Only 40% of d1 spots go to US players because our best athletes don’t choose to play tennis while in Europe soccer is 1st and tennis may be 2nd. This May all be a moot point as when the bball and football players get paid in the near future there may only be women’s nonrevenue sports that escape the cuts in d1. US men will still have the chance to play high level tennis at top D3 if they are smart and athletic. D3 with no athletic scholarships is 90%+ American. Want a free ride at D1 as an American? Aim for the Naval or Air Force Academy- we know lots of guys from our area who played for those teams
That’s all false. 100 percent.

Who are our “best athletes” and what do they play?

Football and basketball players are not built for tennis. Are you one of those “oh if lebron James played tennis” lol. Do you think the “best athletes “ should switch to tennis to play against the entire world to get a 1/4 scholarship lol. Not how life works. Tennis parents are usually wealthier so they just pay and don’t speak up.

You are then saying tennis is the second most popular sport in Europe? False.

And why are we only talking about Europe? Many tennis players come from South America and Asia as well.

And the biggest point you are missing completely…….

You are claiming that having less opportunities (no scholarships for American players) will get more kids staying with it???!

I already pointed out many late bloomers who are sophomores around a 9 utr quit to focus on academics as that also takes a lot of time. Why play tennis 20 hours a week when you wont even get a partial scholarship? Having a full load of AP courses is time consuming. Something has to give.

The only reason foreign kids are here is because coaches think they will get easier wins. It benefits coaches and the foreign athlete. Ben Shelton stayed 2 seasons. Why not more if it was improving his game so
Much?
 

mikej

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It’s not the point. You haven’t noticed things change in life? The above statement is just boring. Changed the rules for transgender athletes. Football players will get paid. Title 9.

You don’t have to keep responding with the exact same “well that’s how it is. “. I already know that’s how it is.
NIL and Title IX started w someone whining on Talk TW? Holey moley I didn’t know what hallowed ground this forum is…
 

jcgatennismom

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That’s all false. 100 percent.

Who are our “best athletes” and what do they play?

Football and basketball players are not built for tennis. Are you one of those “oh if lebron James played tennis” lol. Do you think the “best athletes “ should switch to tennis to play against the entire world to get a 1/4 scholarship lol. Not how life works. Tennis parents are usually wealthier so they just pay and don’t speak up.

You are then saying tennis is the second most popular sport in Europe? False.

And why are we only talking about Europe? Many tennis players come from South America and Asia as well.

And the biggest point you are missing completely…….

You are claiming that having less opportunities (no scholarships for American players) will get more kids staying with it???!

I already pointed out many late bloomers who are sophomores around a 9 utr quit to focus on academics as that also takes a lot of time. Why play tennis 20 hours a week when you wont even get a partial scholarship? Having a full load of AP courses is time consuming. Something has to give.

The only reason foreign kids are here is because coaches think they will get easier wins. It benefits coaches and the foreign athlete. Ben Shelton stayed 2 seasons. Why not more if it was improving his game so
Much?
If a player is taking a full load of APs, he’s probably going to be happier playing top d3 vs d1. D1 tennis is 30+ hours-lot of activities don’t count towards the supposed 20hr/wk. If u r a talented tennis player, you just need a decent college prep program-don’t need all those APs. Ivy’s are only D1s with strict criteria for athletes-maybe few others too like Stanford, UVA, Duke. For d1 most of the internationals are coming from Europe and Canada. There are some from other continents of course. More from South America in d2 and NAIA. NCAA has spreadsheets by year by sport and country-that was the general trend when I looked a few years back. P5 coaches-even some MM- before pandemic used to go to Europe to recruit top juniors in June-don’t know if they do now. Realize most internationals aren’t getting full rides in d1 either-the top guys in the lineup probably are. Guys with lower budgets may get better deals at lower cost d2s and NAIAs. There are a lot of internationals with budgets <$10k. I think the best athletes should choose the sport they enjoy the most-they probably played multiple sports under 12 but many may have never even tried tennis. Saw lots of guys who played tennis and baseball or tennis and soccer but most switched to a single sport by 12 or 13 with a few playing both until 15-16.
Kids should play sports because they enjoy them, develop skills like teamwork, mental toughness and discipline and the sense of achievement from tough wins. Never play a sport just for the chance of a scholarship-if u earn one, it’s the cherry on top. Don’t spend so much on training u don’t have funds for college. Unfortunately many academy coaches may exaggerate college $$ avail to keep parents paying them $$$
 
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this is a tennis forum, not a wrestling forum. I don't even follow wrestling, but Penn State is one of the great programs ever.
"Ever" is a long time. But they are the current dynasty because every top wrestler in the nation wants to wrestle for coach Sanderson. Just as they all wanted to wrestle for Gable.


 
Wrestling is a terrible comparison to tennis but you keep trying to connect it somehow.
Saying “foreigners work harder” is a horrible blanket statement. It’s far from true.

When several people on the thread keep reiterating that, to them it makes sense. But wrestlers are American. Right? Then you see how silly it sounds. Then people have a different view instantly. Nobody is questioning the work ethic or wrestlers. I guess those American work harder? So it isn’t an American thing.

Secondly, the foreigners that get to play here , that people meet, and judge them as “hard working”, are typically one of the top 5 players in that entire country.

So of course. Someone sees that kid, and compares them to the typical American kid playing video games. Duh…. No kidding the foreigner is harder working. Unless you compare him to a top 5 American, it isn’t an accurate comparison

Then again, people say “foreigners are better”. Well duh…. No doubt if you are comparing 300 million people to 6 billion, you will find a large group that are better due to sheer numbers. The college system was set up for Americans. Not the entire world.

If the same held true for academics as it does for men’s tennis, your kid would have to be the best and brightest of all valedictorians in the entire state to go to a d1 school. Not the brightest in his school. Not the county. Brightest out of 1000 valedictorians to get 1/4 scholarship. Need to compete against 5.7 billion people.

Think kids would have an incentive to work harder at academics if that was the reality? Of course not.
 

tennis3

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Only 40% of d1 spots go to US players
The college system was set up for Americans. Not the entire world.

If the same held true for academics as it does for men’s tennis,
What you are saying in this thread @Tennis2349 is pretty commonly spoken of in tennis circles and many people agree with at least the "big picture" of what you are saying (I haven't read the entire thread and these things often get pretty weird).

But it doesn't "sound good" outside of the actual families with tennis kids (whose parents have invested tons of time and money in and the kids have obviously invested lots of hours). And even these people don't tend to say this stuff out loud outside of their circle of like minded people who understand.

The meme response is, "if your kid were better he'd get a scholarship". Which as you say, entirely misses the point. But in a sense, the people who say this know that. But it's an easy and lazy response that appeals to a general audience.
 

silentkman

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That’s all false. 100 percent.

Who are our “best athletes” and what do they play?

Football and basketball players are not built for tennis. Are you one of those “oh if lebron James played tennis” lol. Do you think the “best athletes “ should switch to tennis to play against the entire world to get a 1/4 scholarship lol. Not how life works. Tennis parents are usually wealthier so they just pay and don’t speak up.

You are then saying tennis is the second most popular sport in Europe? False.

And why are we only talking about Europe? Many tennis players come from South America and Asia as well.

And the biggest point you are missing completely…….

You are claiming that having less opportunities (no scholarships for American players) will get more kids staying with it???!

I already pointed out many late bloomers who are sophomores around a 9 utr quit to focus on academics as that also takes a lot of time. Why play tennis 20 hours a week when you wont even get a partial scholarship? Having a full load of AP courses is time consuming. Something has to give.

The only reason foreign kids are here is because coaches think they will get easier wins. It benefits coaches and the foreign athlete. Ben Shelton stayed 2 seasons. Why not more if it was improving his game so
Much?
C'mon man you are tripping. It's on one person, but John Lucas was great at basketball and tennis. Tennis is a niche sport in the States for obvious reasons. If a CB wanted to play tennis, the tools are there. He made the right choice with basketball. Tennis is in the top three in most countries around the world. To say it's 100% false is laziness again. There is no need to attack @jcgatennismom because you disagree. I think she has good read on college tennis. No one should ever agree with someone all of the time. we need to stop using Ben as a example. he's an outlier.
 
C'mon man you are tripping. It's on one person, but John Lucas was great at basketball and tennis. Tennis is a niche sport in the States for obvious reasons. If a CB wanted to play tennis, the tools are there. He made the right choice with basketball. Tennis is in the top three in most countries around the world. To say it's 100% false is laziness again. There is no need to attack @jcgatennismom because you disagree. I think she has good read on college tennis. No one should ever agree with someone all of the time. we need to stop using Ben as an example. he's an outlier.
More excuses and blaming.

Brazilians are good at soccer. It is their number one sport. Their top athletes play soccer. They have an athletic population…

Now if they had a tax payer funded program, for the best of the best Brazilians , Brazilian soccer would flourish even more …

Now if they came up with the idea of “well, we need to scout the entire world”, even with soccer, in Brazil, Brazilians would make up
Maybe 10 percent of the players. Top 5 from Argentina, Colombia, Peru, Germany, England, Serbia etc etc. Prodigies in every nation.

What would the excuse then be? Brazilians are lazy? Not their number one sport? Their Best athletes aren’t playing soccer? All false.

Who exactly would that benefit? Not Brazilians. Or you would say “well that 10 percent of Brazilians in it will get even better now since we are training 90 percent foreigners? “. Just ridiculous logic.

And then throw in…. “Well here in Brazil we will throw twice as much money at women’s soccer! That will also make Brazil have the best players in the world!!!!!

Obviously the system isn’t set up to improve American tennis. It’s just political. None of it is meant to improve American tennis.
 
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bobleenov1963

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FYI: you're also seeing more and more of foreign players on the university golf teams as well. I am not sure if it is on the same level as tennis but from what I am seeing, it is happening more now.

The 2024 NCAA women golf individual championship, the winner is Adela Cernousek (Texas A&M) and I think she is from France. The runner up is Lottie Woad (Florida State) from the UK. 3rd place is Paula Sampedro (Stanford) from Spain. The number #1 women college golfer is Ingrid Lindblad (LSU) from Sweden.

The golf runner up at the Masters is Ludvig Aberg who is from Sweden and he received free training at Texas Tech. Viktor Hovland just finished 3rd at the PGA championship this past weekend received his free training at Oklahoma State...
The irony is that both Viktor and Aberg were members of the European team that humiliated the US team at the 2023 Ryder Cup :-D... I don't know of any American golfers that go over to Europe to get free training over there.

America university system is being used by other countries and the US taxpayers are paying for it :-D
 
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America university system is being used by other countries and the US taxpayers are paying for it :-D
Yeah, but doesn’t diverting coaching, facilities, and money to foreign kids help American golfers improve? .

It really takes some mental gymnastics to believe at 17-18, when athletes haven’t even reached physical maturity yet, to THEN divert resources to foreigners, and say that helps Americans! Uh yeah, Ben Shelton played some college matches! Without playing a few matches against foreigners in college he would be like an 8 utr!

It’s almost like when junior tennis academies have a great player that moved to that academy, and then that academy is taking credit for the kids success.
 

silentkman

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More excuses and blaming.

Brazilians are good at soccer. It is their number one sport. Their top athletes play soccer. They have an athletic population…

Now if they had a tax payer funded program, for the best of the best Brazilians , Brazilian soccer would flourish even more …

Now if they came up with the idea of “well, we need to scout the entire world”, even with soccer, in Brazil, Brazilians would make up
Maybe 10 percent of the players. Top 5 from Argentina, Colombia, Peru, Germany, England, Serbia etc etc. Prodigies in every nation.

What would the excuse then be? Brazilians are lazy? Not their number one sport? Their Best athletes aren’t playing soccer? All false.

Who exactly would that benefit? Not Brazilians. Or you would say “well that 10 percent of Brazilians in it will get even better now since we are training 90 percent foreigners? “. Just ridiculous logic.

And then throw in…. “Well here in Brazil we will throw twice as much money at women’s soccer! That will also make Brazil have the best players in the world!!!!!

Obviously the system isn’t set up to improve American tennis. It’s just political. None of it is meant to improve American tennis.
More excuses and blaming from you. Why would a top American athlete play tennis anyway? You have college basketball and football players making more money than most tennis players. Sure, everything is political. sheesh
 

silentkman

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FYI: you're also seeing more and more of foreign players on the university golf teams as well. I am not sure if it is on the same level as tennis but from what I am seeing, it is happening more now.

The 2024 NCAA women golf individual championship, the winner is Adela Cernousek (Texas A&M) and I think she is from France. The runner up is Lottie Woad (Florida State) from the UK. 3rd place is Paula Sampedro (Stanford) from Spain. The number #1 women college golfer is Ingrid Lindblad (LSU) from Sweden.

The golf runner up at the Masters is Ludvig Aberg who is from Sweden and he received free training at Texas Tech. Viktor Hovland just finished 3rd at the PGA championship this past weekend received his free training at Oklahoma State...
The irony is that both Viktor and Aberg were members of the European team that humiliated the US team at the 2023 Ryder Cup :-D... I don't know of any American golfers that go over to Europe to get free training over there.

America university system is being used by other countries and the US taxpayers are paying for it :-D
what are the numbers on golf scholarships?
 

Purestriker

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Yeah, but doesn’t diverting coaching, facilities, and money to foreign kids help American golfers improve? .

It really takes some mental gymnastics to believe at 17-18, when athletes haven’t even reached physical maturity yet, to THEN divert resources to foreigners, and say that helps Americans! Uh yeah, Ben Shelton played some college matches! Without playing a few matches against foreigners in college he would be like an 8 utr!

It’s almost like when junior tennis academies have a great player that moved to that academy, and then that academy is taking credit for the kids success.
Ben didn't even start playing tennis until 12. He was a QB before that and played basketball.
 

Purestriker

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Highly doubt that considering both his parents were tennis pros. Perhaps not full time training until 12, but was most likely hitting a tennis ball since he could walk.
Straight from his mouth. He was in love with FB. Does that mean he never touched a racket, doubt but he wasn't formally training or competing.
 
More excuses and blaming from you. Why would a top American athlete play tennis anyway? You have college basketball and football players making more money than most tennis players. Sure, everything is political. sheesh
People are built mentally and physically for different sports. 300 lb linemen and 7ft centers are athletic in their own way, but complete trash for tennis. In other words they would suck at other sports, especially tennis. Just like little Messi would suck at American football.
 
Straight from his mouth. He was in love with FB. Does that mean he never touched a racket, doubt but he wasn't formally training or competing.
Both his parents were tennis pros! What actually counts “starting at tennis”.

Have you been around tennis. That’s par for the course.

Random Kid has been training since 3, and parents are always like “uh yeah. He just started at 11”.
 

Purestriker

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Both his parents were tennis pros! What actually counts “starting at tennis”.

Have you been around tennis. That’s par for the course.

Random Kid has been training since 3, and parents are always like “uh yeah. He just started at 11”.
Yes, I realize both his parents were pros. But so were Agassi's, where are they now? Not playing tennis (happens to be a great baseball player). So just because your parents were grand slam champions, doesn't mean you play the sport.
 
Yes, I realize both his parents were pros. But so were Agassi's, where are they now? Not playing tennis (happens to be a great baseball player). So just because your parents were grand slam champions, doesn't mean you play the sport.
Check out his utr page.

He was born in 2002.

In 2016 he was a 10.5 utr, at the age of 14.

I am willing to bet anything he did not go from 0 instruction/training/playing before 12, to a 10.5 utr in less than 2 years. That’s not even possible. Also says he didn’t even hit a growth spurt until after middle school.


To reach that his dad probably had him out there several days a week for almost a decade training. Doesn’t really matter if he played formal national tournaments.

What that is is a tennis psycho dad trying to pretend his kid is just gifted and he didn’t push tennis on him. And people believe it.
 

silentkman

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People are built mentally and physically for different sports. 300 lb linemen and 7ft centers are athletic in their own way, but complete trash for tennis. In other words they would suck at other sports, especially tennis. Just like little Messi would suck at American football.
C'mon man you are tripping again. Everyone knows this, I mean everyone. John Lucas was a point guard that played tennis. I mentioned earlier that Cornerbacks could play tennis if the commitment was there. Mac Jones and the kicker for the Eagles were decent players. Tell me why a top athlete would choose tennis over the major sports?
 

silentkman

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Straight from his mouth. He was in love with FB. Does that mean he never touched a racket, doubt but he wasn't formally training or competing.
It''s weird that most Pros kid don't have a huge interest in tennis and it appears the parents push them into something else. it's not like Football or basketball or even hockey.
 
C'mon man you are tripping again. Everyone knows this, I mean everyone. John Lucas was a point guard that played tennis. I mentioned earlier that Cornerbacks could play tennis if the commitment was there. Mac Jones and the kicker for the Eagles were decent players. Tell me why a top athlete would choose tennis over the major sports?
If you are athletically gifted, you can focus on raw athleticism , and play a sport like football quite easily. A kid who can run a 4.4 40, and never played football could get a d1 offer. More to tennis than running fast in a straight line

You forget that in tennis there is the entire mental component, along with that little part of the sport that involves hitting a tennis ball and keeping it in. That skill takes a decade in itself to develop.
 

bobleenov1963

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If you are athletically gifted, you can focus on raw athleticism , and play a sport like football quite easily. A kid who can run a 4.4 40, and never played football could get a d1 offer.

You forget that in tennis there is the entire mental component, along with that little part of the sport that involves hitting a tennis ball and keeping it in. That skill takes a decade in itself to develop.
I have a theory. Perhaps American kids are dumb when comparing to foreign kids?
 
I have a theory. Perhaps American kids are dumb when comparing to foreign kids?

I have a theory. Perhaps American kids are dumb when comparing to foreign kids?
It’s always just sounds arrogant to me.

Just because someone can run after someone and tackle them,it then means they could have won Wimbledon or the World Cup in soccer if they chose to. It’s not even a world wide sport. Nobody plays it. With that skill set it’s the only sport they can play.

Could a top tennis player mimic the movements of a cornerback within a week? Most likely. They wouldn’t have the speed or strength , but the skill would be easy to acquire.

Being a cornerback is 5 percent skill, and 95 percent athleticism.
 
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silentkman

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If you are athletically gifted, you can focus on raw athleticism , and play a sport like football quite easily. A kid who can run a 4.4 40, and never played football could get a d1 offer. More to tennis than running fast in a straight line

You forget that in tennis there is the entire mental component, along with that little part of the sport that involves hitting a tennis ball and keeping it in. That skill takes a decade in itself to develop.
You are tripping again. I didn't forget anything. Show me the example where a kid ran a 4.4 40 and poof a D1 scholarship. to use your words, that's 1000% false. the percentage of football players that become Pros is 1 percent or less. It's obvious that you know nothing about football. Are you familiar with line calls made by the center?
 

silentkman

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You are tripping again. I didn't forget anything. Show me the example where a kid ran a 4.4 40 and poof a D1 scholarship. to use your words, that's 1000% false. the percentage of football players that become Pros is 1 percent or less. It's obvious that you know nothing about football. Are you familiar with line calls made by the center?
Only one in 554 high school football players plays in the NFL. it's more than physical abilities to get to the top level in any sport. In today's world, the kids are playing 7 v 7 year around. sheesh
 

Only one in 554 high school football players plays in the NFL. it's more than physical abilities to get to the top level in any sport. In today's world, the kids are playing 7 v 7 year around. sheesh
Yes. The most physically gifted get to the nfl.

Not that much skill involved in catching a football. Or blocking. Or tackling someone.

Like 53 guys on a team and play for a total of 11 minutes. If lucky might play half of that considering players only
Play offense or defense.

Saying because a a guy is a cornerback he could have played high level tennis is a total joke

What is the point to the nfl combine? Seeing how high they jump. How fast. How strong. You wouldn’t do that in an actual skill sport.
 
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