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bobleenov1963

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andfor said:
Doesn’t matter. He has the most all time wins as a #1 at Michigan is an atp ranked pro, only 24 and from DC. There are worse examples of players getting WC’s. Name a player that protested his WC that’s more deserved and I might acknowledge your argument. You’re picking pepper out of flyshit and fighting for .001% what happens with draws of the tour.
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When you don't know all the details about certain things, it is just best to stay quiet but I guess you have a hard time doing it.

The only reason that Fenty was given a WC for CitiOpen in the past five years and got to play in the stadium court is because his father, Adrian Fenty, was the mayor of Washington DC. He and the current mayor, Bowser, are buddies. TDs can do give out WC to Fenty and has him play in the stadium court if they want to, that is their choice. But to say that favortism/nepotism is not factor is completely BS. That's why your statement of "tennis is a meritocracy" is not accurate.
 
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silentkman

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bobleenov1963 said:
When you don't know all the details about certain things, it is just best to stay quiet but I guess you have a hard time doing it.

The only reason that Fenty was given a WC for CitiOpen in the past five years and got to play in the stadium court is because his father, Adrian Fenty, was the mayor of Washington DC. He and the current mayor, Bowser, are buddies. TDs can do give out WC to Fenty and has him play in the stadium court if they want to, that is their choice. But to say that favortism/nepotism is not factor is completely BS. That's why your statement of "tennis is a meritocracy" is not accurate.
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You guys are freaking out over a WC for qualifying. Bowser had zero to do with him getting it. The owner of the Tournament (Mark Ein)and Fenty have been freinds for over 20 years. Everyone in the DC area knows this.
 
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andfor

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silentkman said:
You guys are freaking out over a WC for qualifying. Bowser had zero to do with him getting it. The owner of the Tournament (Mark Ein)and Fenty have been freinds for over 20 years. Everyone in the DC area knows this.
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He’s freaking out over .001% of the tennis draws world wide and has one example of an atp ranked player he can’t get over. Nor can he name a player that should have had his WC and bellyached about it as Bob has.
 
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bobleenov1963

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andfor said:
He’s freaking out over .001% of the tennis draws world wide and has one example of an atp ranked player he can’t get over. Nor can he name a player that should have had his WC are had bellyached about it as Bob has.
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Like I said before, I don't care how one receives a WC because that's the decision of the TD. He would be stupid not to use that connection to get a WC. The point is that it is not a "meritocracy" as you said it is, even if it is 0.001%. How do you know that it is only 0.0001%?
 
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anindit gopalakrishnan

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People are freaking out about fenty but tbh andres martin is a p bad shout also. He lost to Jerry Shang 61 61 and won 24 points to shang's 54. that is the worst beat down i have ever seen at the atp level
 
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Sureshot

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Hope to see Baris (MSU) crack the Challenger circuit in singles. Has been doing great in doubles but not quite in singles. He has a game well suited for success at that level. Had a good 25K in his hometown last week losing in a close QF to the top seed. Should build off that.
 
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Gemini

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anindit gopalakrishnan said:
People are freaking out about fenty but tbh andres martin is a p bad shout also. He lost to Jerry Shang 61 61 and won 24 points to shang's 54. that is the worst beat down i have ever seen at the atp level
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I'm going to challenge on that one. Look at Martin's progressive history at the Atlanta Open. The Atlanta Open has a history of reserving 1-2 wildcards for the top collegiate players in Georgia schools (usually from UGA or GT) that have STRONG local ties. It was a way of promoting the collegiate programs of arguably the two most known/referenced schools in Georgia and capitalizing on their local connections. Most importantly, the wildcard usually ALTERNATED between schools. Let's look at the history for the reserved "collegiate" wildcard dating back to 2015.

2015 - Chris Eubanks (GT) - main draw and from Atlanta, Walker Duncan (UGA - qualies and from Atlanta
2016 - Austin Smith (UGA) - main draw and from Atlanta
2017 - Chris Eubanks (GT) - main draw and from Atlanta
2018 - Emil Reinberg (UGA) - main draw and from Atlanta
2019 - Cole Gromely (GT) - main draw and from Atlanta, Trent Bryde (UGA) - qualies and from Atlanta
2021 - Trent Bryde (UGA) - main draw and from Atlanta
2022 - Andres Martin (GT) -main draw and from Atlanta--> Wins first round match against Kokkinakis. That win and his continued high collegiate rank keeps him primed for a WC next year (main or qualies)
2023 - Andres Martin (GT) - main draw and from Atlanta--> Probably would have gone to Ethan Quinn (UGA) but he turned pro prior to the tournament and received one of the other wildcards.
2024 - Andres Martin (GT) - main draw and From Atlanta --> Finishes as the top D1 collegiate player in Georgia and technically by cycle, it would have gone to a GT player anyway.

Also, Martin and Shang aren't even in the same class (yet). I watched Shang take out Ben Shelton last year in DC. Shang, if he can stay healthy, is a consistent top 100 player with top 50 potential. How good Martin is going to be as a pro is still mostly unknown. All in all, two different sets of circumstances for Martin and Fenty.
 
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jcgatennismom

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Fearnley is in the SF of Chicago Challenger and will play Diallo next. Fearnley who was in the 500s just a few months ago has a live ranking of 203. His best win was vs Jerry Shang on grass; Shang beat #14 Shelton on HCs last night. If Fearnley beats Diallo and Tien wins his SF match, will Fearnley end Tien’s streak?

On another note Wolf received a WC into DC. I hope he can bring his A game next week and start crawling his way back in the rankings.
 
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silentkman

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Gemini said:
I'm going to challenge on that one. Look at Martin's progressive history at the Atlanta Open. The Atlanta Open has a history of reserving 1-2 wildcards for the top collegiate players in Georgia schools (usually from UGA or GT) that have STRONG local ties. It was a way of promoting the collegiate programs of arguably the two most known/referenced schools in Georgia and capitalizing on their local connections. Most importantly, the wildcard usually ALTERNATED between schools. Let's look at the history for the reserved "collegiate" wildcard dating back to 2015.

2015 - Chris Eubanks (GT) - main draw and from Atlanta, Walker Duncan (UGA - qualies and from Atlanta
2016 - Austin Smith (UGA) - main draw and from Atlanta
2017 - Chris Eubanks (GT) - main draw and from Atlanta
2018 - Emil Reinberg (UGA) - main draw and from Atlanta
2019 - Cole Gromely (GT) - main draw and from Atlanta, Trent Bryde (UGA) - qualies and from Atlanta
2021 - Trent Bryde (UGA) - main draw and from Atlanta
2022 - Andres Martin (GT) -main draw and from Atlanta--> Wins first round match against Kokkinakis. That win and his continued high collegiate rank keeps him primed for a WC next year (main or qualies)
2023 - Andres Martin (GT) - main draw and from Atlanta--> Probably would have gone to Ethan Quinn (UGA) but he turned pro prior to the tournament and received one of the other wildcards.
2024 - Andres Martin (GT) - main draw and From Atlanta --> Finishes as the top D1 collegiate player in Georgia and technically by cycle, it would have gone to a GT player anyway.

Also, Martin and Shang aren't even in the same class (yet). I watched Shang take out Ben Shelton last year in DC. Shang, if he can stay healthy, is a consistent top 100 player with top 50 potential. How good Martin is going to be as a pro is still mostly unknown. All in all, two different sets of circumstances for Martin and Fenty.
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Thanks for the info.
 
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Gemini

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silentkman said:
Thanks for the info.
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No problem. I can't speak to Fenty's situation simply because I'm not an insider on the DC tennis tournament, the DC tennis scene and his own personal tennis history. I'm only sharing the details around Martin because I am more of an insider when it comes to the Atlanta equivalents. I don't make it my business to be deep into the "politics" of Atlanta tennis but I interact with and am involved with the Atlanta and Georgia tennis environment to point that I can't not have a level of insider knowledge.
 
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jcgatennismom

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Learner Tien after winning 28 matches straight including 8 Challenger matches lost yesterday in Chicago SF. He has a WC into Lexington MD. He is 1st place so far in the USO WC Challenge. With a live ranking of 240, he will have to decide this week whether to compete for a 3 peat at Kzoo. Seems like he should keep playing Challengers or hope for a Quali WC into a HC ATP event. Spiz who is 3rd in the USO WC race withdrew from Lexington to play City Qualis but lost in QR1. Nikesh 2nd in race plays in Lex Qs today vs Connor Williams.

Lots of collegians in Lexington Qs-15/24 collegians. Some big 10 matchups- Baris of MSU vs Trotter of OSU, Maloney of UM vs Kingsley. Diallo after he plays F in Chicago today will join former Wildcats Draxl and Baadi in MD; Lapadat is in Q.
 
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jcgatennismom

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bobleenov1963 said:
Your statement of "tennis is a meritocracy" doesn't work here. Do you know who Andrew Fenty is and why they put him on center court when there are much better players that have to play on outside courts? There are better than Fenty and didn't receive the Quali WC and Fenty did. Once you figured it out, you can respond here. It is not as "meritocracy" as you think it is.
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Well Bob, looks like Fenty played as well or better than the other Citi Q WCs. He won1st set 6-3, lost 2nd in TB, and then must have retired? Was he injured, heat sickness? Spizzirri who got WC lost 0,2, Thai lost in 3, and Boyer of Stanford lost in straights but one set was TB. None of the Q WCs made it to 2nd rd of Qs. Because of the Olympics, ATL and Citi probably have some weaker players in MD and Qs than in past years. The 4 SFs at ATL were ranked 60-89; usually the ATL winner is at least top 30 if not top 20.
 
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jcgatennismom said:
Learner Tien after winning 28 matches straight including 8 Challenger matches lost yesterday in Chicago SF. He has a WC into Lexington MD. He is 1st place so far in the USO WC Challenge. With a live ranking of 240, he will have to decide this week whether to compete for a 3 peat at Kzoo. Seems like he should keep playing Challengers or hope for a Quali WC into a HC ATP event. Spiz who is 3rd in the USO WC race withdrew from Lexington to play City Qualis but lost in QR1. Nikesh 2nd in race plays in Lex Qs today vs Connor Williams.

Lots of collegians in Lexington Qs-15/24 collegians. Some big 10 matchups- Baris of MSU vs Trotter of OSU, Maloney of UM vs Kingsley. Diallo after he plays F in Chicago today will join former Wildcats Draxl and Baadi in MD; Lapadat is in Q.
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Tien lost to some dude from china that nobody knows about and has no power. What is up with Tien ??
 
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why on earth would Tien play in junior event if he can play in challenger
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I am excited for the Lincoln Challenger as I live only two hours away in Nebraska. Loads of former college players in it. Sad to say, Tien is not in the field however.
 
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jcgatennismom

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When u think about Nebraska and tennis, only Jack Sock the pickler come to mind. Now the state hosts a Challenger which just so happens to be the last week of the USO MD WC Challenge. Could Spizz, Nikesh, or Colton Smith take this tourney and wrest the WC away from Tien-they are all about 60 points behind, but it’s a 75CH. Kudos to Colette of zootennis for keeping us updated on the race despite this being her busiest two weeks of the year. Seems like USTA and ITA would be reporting…Anyway matches are on Challenger TV via ATP website or app. Brits Fearnley, Jubb annd JPJ are also playing as well as Americans Baris and Cooper Williams. Could be a preview of guys who are going to break into top 150, maybe top 100 in next year. Pity the poor journeymen who probably thought Lincoln would be an easy place to play….
 
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tennisfan17

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jcgatennismom said:
When u think about Nebraska and tennis, only Jack Sock the pickler come to mind. Now the state hosts a Challenger which just so happens to be the last week of the USO MD WC Challenge. Could Spizz, Nikesh, or Colton Smith take this tourney and wrest the WC away from Tien-they are all about 60 points behind, but it’s a 75CH. Kudos to Colette of zootennis for keeping us updated on the race despite this being her busiest two weeks of the year. Seems like USTA and ITA would be reporting…Anyway matches are on Challenger TV via ATP website or app. Brits Fearnley, Jubb annd JPJ are also playing as well as Americans Baris and Cooper Williams. Could be a preview of guys who are going to break into top 150, maybe top 100 in next year. Pity the poor journeymen who probably thought Lincoln would be an easy place to play….
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Will be watching the semis and the finals this weekend! I’m so excited to have this event here. I’m so excited that so many high level players have come here for the event.
 
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anindit gopalakrishnan

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Nishesh wins today and is now 3 wins away from the USO wc, which is definitely unlikely but it is possible. You have to wonder if the USTA has already guaranteed Tien a WC, maybe because the slot normally allotted for the college champ won't be getting it this year. Otherwise, it seems awfully risky to play no event this week for Tien, where had he played and won even a round or 2 in a challenger he would be guaranteed the spot.
 
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silentkman

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jcgatennismom said:
When u think about Nebraska and tennis, only Jack Sock the pickler come to mind. Now the state hosts a Challenger which just so happens to be the last week of the USO MD WC Challenge. Could Spizz, Nikesh, or Colton Smith take this tourney and wrest the WC away from Tien-they are all about 60 points behind, but it’s a 75CH. Kudos to Colette of zootennis for keeping us updated on the race despite this being her busiest two weeks of the year. Seems like USTA and ITA would be reporting…Anyway matches are on Challenger TV via ATP website or app. Brits Fearnley, Jubb annd JPJ are also playing as well as Americans Baris and Cooper Williams. Could be a preview of guys who are going to break into top 150, maybe top 100 in next year. Pity the poor journeymen who probably thought Lincoln would be an easy place to play….
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Everyone who play Challengers are theoretically poor. The winner get 11k and first round loser is $800. Eubanks could use the 75 points to get close to the top 100. I don't think they are paying for housing either. Tennis is brutal.
 
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jcgatennismom

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silentkman said:
Everyone who play Challengers are theoretically poor. The winner get 11k and first round loser is $800. Eubanks could use the 75 points to get close to the top 100. I don't think they are paying for housing either. Tennis is brutal.
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I wonder if any locals are hosting. I didn’t see a pro am on the schedule either. The 1st 2 days the matches haven’t been close-only one 3 setter and several bagels and breadsticks. Thursday through the weekend should be competitive matches as the guys who have cruised will play each other.

I don’t see how players afford the Tour unless they get some $$ from LTA, USTA, etc or have rich parents or sponsors. I can see guys trying Futures or CH up to 2 years esp if they get some WCs if their unis host tourneys but guys still in CH at 27yo or older…Lot of guys in Lincoln are young.
 
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bobleenov1963

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jcgatennismom said:
I wonder if any locals are hosting. I didn’t see a pro am on the schedule either. The 1st 2 days the matches haven’t been close-only one 3 setter and several bagels and breadsticks. Thursday through the weekend should be competitive matches as the guys who have cruised will play each other.

I don’t see how players afford the Tour unless they get some $$ from LTA, USTA, etc or have rich parents or sponsors. I can see guys trying Futures or CH up to 2 years esp if they get some WCs if their unis host tourneys but guys still in CH at 27yo or older…Lot of guys in Lincoln are young.
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Unless the players know anyone local that they can stay with to save money, it is very unlikely.

This is my experience. Back in 2016, I took my son to Sanchez-Casal tennis academy for about three months to train there. It also happened that the academy hosted a 25K ITF tennis tournament, and I got to meet a few WTA players and ATP players at the academy. I got to know them and told them if they ever needed a place to stay in Washington DC during their stay to qualify for CitiOpen, they could stay at my house, free of charge. They also could drive one of my cars because I live about 20 minutes from Rock Creek Park, or my wife could drop them off and pick them up. Over the years, a few of them took my offer and stayed at my place when they tried to qualify for CitiOpen. Last year, one of the former WTA players from Hungary, retired in 2021 because she couldn't afford to be on tour anymore, and her husband came to stay at my house for one week to sightsee Washington DC and the cherry blossoms.
 
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silentkman

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bobleenov1963 said:
Unless the players know anyone local that they can stay with to save money, it is very unlikely.

This is my experience. Back in 2016, I took my son to Sanchez-Casal tennis academy for about three months to train there. It also happened that the academy hosted a 25K ITF tennis tournament, and I got to meet a few WTA players and ATP players at the academy. I got to know them and told them if they ever needed a place to stay in Washington DC during their stay to qualify for CitiOpen, they could stay at my house, free of charge. They also could drive one of my cars because I live about 20 minutes from Rock Creek Park, or my wife could drop them off and pick them up. Over the years, a few of them took my offer and stayed at my place when they tried to qualify for CitiOpen. Last year, one of the former WTA players from Hungary, retired in 2021 because she couldn't afford to be on tour anymore, and her husband came to stay at my house for one week to sightsee Washington DC and the cherry blossoms.
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I should have known. LOL: Do you you really feel like a pro if you have mooch housng etc? The challenger tournaments should have a housing allowance. The tournament in Lincoln has a total purse of 82K and pobably another 82K to run the tournament. as a 500, the tournament provides housing, transportation etc. You can't compare a 500 to challenger.
 
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andfor

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housing allowance is a fantastic idea. do tournaments really not net that much money?
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I know a TD who has run a number of challengers and futures. He has to raise the prize money through sponsorships, once he clears that with enough sponsors the tournament makes money. Now if the USTA kicks in any money, I'm not sure. My guess is they cover the Umpires, lines crew and maybe some miscellaneous expenses. The Challengers that are prize money +housing, not sure if the tournament or USTA/ATP covers it. Wouldn't surprise me if the tourney has to cover that too.

A good futures or challenger will gather up volunteers to offer housing for players willing to stay in someone's home.
 
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bobleenov1963

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silentkman said:
I should have known. LOL: Do you you really feel like a pro if you have mooch housng etc? The challenger tournaments should have a housing allowance. The toutnament in Lincoln has a total purse o 82K and pobably another 82K to run the tournament. as a 500, the tournament provides housing, transportation etc. You can't compare a 500 to challenger.
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CitiOpen main draw is on Monday but qualifying rounds start on Sat/Sun, you have to be there at least on Thursday or Friday to get yourself used to the heat/humidity of Washington DC.

Even at the ATP/WTA 500 level event, it is still expensive to stay in places like Washington DC where a decent hotel can run $300/night. You can stay in Silver Spring Maryland and take Uber to Rock Creek but that is not cheap either. When you're a new kid on the block trying to make it on the ATP, you try to save that housing allowance if it is provided by the tournament. If someone offers to house you in McLean, feed you, and provide you with transportation for free, that's a dream.
 
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silentkman

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bobleenov1963 said:
CitiOpen main draw is on Monday but qualifying rounds start on Sat/Sun, you have to be there at least on Thursday or Friday to get yourself used to the heat/humidity of Washington DC.

Even at the ATP/WTA 500 level event, it is still expensive to stay in places like Washington DC where a decent hotel can run $300/night. You can stay in Silver Spring Maryland and take Uber to Rock Creek but that is not cheap either. When you're a new kid on the block trying to make it on the ATP, you try to save that housing allowance if it is provided by the tournament. If someone offers to house you in McLean, feed you, and provide you with transportation for free, that's a dream.
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The point is that you can can't compare any 500 event to 75k challenger. C'mon man, I know you love pating yourself on back incessantly. This is apples to oranges. We all know the DC area prices on everything. The housing is needed at the Challenger level. Sheesh.
 
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silentkman

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andfor said:
I know a TD who has run a number of challengers and futures. He has to raise the prize money through sponsorships, once he clears that with enough sponsors the tournament makes money. Now if the USTA kicks in any money, I'm not sure. My guess is they cover the Umpires, lines crew and maybe some miscellaneous expenses. The Challengers that are prize money +housing, not sure if the tournament or USTA/ATP covers it. Wouldn't surprise me if the tourney has to cover that too.

A good futures or challenger will gather up volunteers to offer housing for players willing to stay in someone's home.
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I think it's all ATP. I would be shocked if the USTA is throwing any money in the pot. They do call it the USTA Pro circuit, so maybe they are. From what I have seen most Challengers don't provide housing. I do know the ATP is starting to push money down the lower levels, I just don't know the details.
 
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Gemini

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bobleenov1963 said:
Unless the players know anyone local that they can stay with to save money, it is very unlikely.
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Not the only route. They don't have not know someone. I lived in a town that hosted a Futures event. The TD was also the head pro at my local racquet club/gym. He was pretty good at community outreach and many of the club members were open to hosting players in their homes. For those players that really needed to save money, they had access to housing and they didn't need to know us.
 
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JLyon

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Gemini said:
Not the only route. They don't have not know someone. I lived in a town that hosted a Futures event. The TD was also the head pro at my local racquet club/gym. He was pretty good at community outreach and many of the club members were open to hosting players in their homes. For those players that really needed to save money, they had access to housing and they didn't need to know us.
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yup at local 75k the community comes out and houses many of the players, probably not common but this perk helps bring back players
 
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optimaltennis

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Again, I feel the need to clear up a few things with regards to previous few posts:

Housing provided by the tournament is mandatory at challenger level and above. This was a new rule that was instituted within the past few years. Tournament can either find private housing for players, but most just comp hotels. Usually it is 2 or 3 nights before main draw starts and 1 or 2 nights after elimination. Some Futures will also provide housing. Those are designated with the "+H". Also, most tournaments went away from the hotel room vs per diem per day. From what I know, only slams do this now.

USTA will often help fund challengers, especially new ones. In return, USTA will receive some control over WCs. What is true at all levels is whomever controls the money, controls the WCs. This is the rule at all levels. By looking at WCs, you'll be able to see who is fronting the money. For example, at Lincoln, every WC recipient has a tie into Nebraska HC, Peter Kobelt, hence why I believe Nebraska was able to fund this tournament. All in, I believe it will require about 150k to put on this 75k tournament.

I believe all tournaments are operated as non-profits. All have some sort of charity tie-in. Challengers do not exist to make money; absolutely impossible. 250 can net, but difficult. 500 almost always net and 1000s do well. Slams bring in insane money, but all of it get put back into coffers for USTA/LTA/FFT/TA. I believe Tennis Canada derives most of their operating budget from the men's/women's masters going on right now.
 
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Does anybody know the date they will announce the USO Qualifier field by? Also, any chance of any other college wildcards for the Main Draw? Men's or women's. I know Alexa Noel got one for winning the Individuals USTA and they put Michael Zheng in the Qualifier. There's a few NYC area locals that had a good college year: Eliot Spizzirri #1 in Men, Cooper Williams #1 in Men Freshman, Mary Stoiana #1 in Women.
 
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optimaltennis

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stoxtrader said:
Does anybody know the date they will announce the USO Qualifier field by? Also, any chance of any other college wildcards for the Main Draw? Men's or women's. I know Alexa Noel got one for winning the Individuals USTA and they put Michael Zheng in the Qualifier. There's a few NYC area locals that had a good college year: Eliot Spizzirri #1 in Men, Cooper Williams #1 in Men Freshman, Mary Stoiana #1 in Women.
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Knowing some of how the USTA operates with its USO WCs as well as ranking situations, I would say 5/95 for Cooper gets a QWC, 75/25 Spizz gets a QWC, 20/80 Stoiana gets a QWC.
 
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optimaltennis said:
Knowing some of how the USTA operates with its USO WCs as well as ranking situations, I would say 5/95 for Cooper gets a QWC, 75/25 Spizz gets a QWC, 20/80 Stoiana gets a QWC.
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I get Cooper being unlikely just as a Freshman POY. However, curious...why do you only say 20/80 for Stoiana? She got one last year as #2 in the country and easily finished #1 this year (68.05 points vs 47.90 points for her next closest competitor) winning POY. She led her team to the national championship and then proceeded to get to the SF in the Individual with zero off days while also playing doubles everyday. Maybe none of this matters when going for USO spot if you don't win that individual tournament, but she also just beat a top 100 player in the world in an ITF event on Wednesday. Maybe she hasn't done enough over the summer? Looks like she went 9-5. R1, R2, F, SF, R2 in ITF events in her 5 tournaments.
 
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optimaltennis

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I get Cooper being unlikely just as a Freshman POY. However, curious...why do you only say 20/80 for Stoiana? She got one last year as #2 in the country and easily finished #1 this year (68.05 points vs 47.90 points for her next closest competitor) winning POY. She led her team to the national championship and then proceeded to get to the SF in the Individual with zero off days while also playing doubles everyday. Maybe none of this matters when going for USO spot if you don't win that individual tournament, but she also just beat a top 100 player in the world in an ITF event on Wednesday. Maybe she hasn't done enough over the summer? Looks like she went 9-5. R1, R2, F, SF, R2 in ITF events in her 5 tournaments.
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Reason why I say 20/80 is simply a numbers game combined with political game. 5 known MDWCs already allocated (Alexa Noel, FFTreciprocal, TAreciprocal, Jovic, USTAchallenge), leaving only 3 left. 7 QWC are left after Glozman got hers. IMO, last year it seemed like there was a shortage of players to allocate QWC where as this year, from looking at the rankings, there are a ton of players 250-450 that I feel are more likely candidates (more likely does not mean more deserving)
 
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optimaltennis said:
Reason why I say 20/80 is simply a numbers game combined with political game. 5 known MDWCs already allocated (Alexa Noel, FFTreciprocal, TAreciprocal, Jovic, USTAchallenge), leaving only 3 left. 7 QWC are left after Glozman got hers. IMO, last year it seemed like there was a shortage of players to allocate QWC where as this year, from looking at the rankings, there are a ton of players 250-450 that I feel are more likely candidates (more likely does not mean more deserving)
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Thanks. Obviously it's harder for college players to climb up the world rankings as it's harder for them to get the number of pro matches they need in. I guess the question is how they factor that in. For a WC, you would think they would be more likely to give a 21 year old who was clearly the best player in all of women's D1 and is 450 in the world a shot than somebody who's like 27, ranked 275 (random number), been on the circuit for years, and hasn't shown much progress. She's 76-10 (.884) as A&M's #1 in her sophmore & junior seasons. Held onto the #1 ranking the entire season after reaching #2 overall last season. For perspective, Danielle Collins was 101-20 (.835) in her sophmore-senior seasons at UVA so she's on pace to have a better record than that. Emma Navarro was more dominant in her 2 seasons at UVA before going pro, but it's fair to say Stoiana has been the best player in college women's tennis since Navarro. Not saying she's absolutely the next Danielle Collins, but I clearly think they should give her a shot that I feel she's earned LOL. I don't understand the politics though.
 
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