Collegians on ATP clay events

jcgatennismom

Hall of Fame
Popcorn match tomo in Qualis if you have TC plus and are an early riser. Kypson and JJ Wolf play in Qualis 2nd rd. I think this is the 1st time they played since Spitgate 2018 when PK put college tennis in national news for all the wrong reasons. Prior to that in 2017 Kypson beat Wolf in the Kzoo boys 18s in 5 sets to earn the US Open WC. These guys are around 25 now so I imagine the drama will just be in dirty looks and loud fist pumps but still could be interesting. Hope Wolf wins. He has had a tough 2024: 1-6 in ATP MDs, even lost in 1st rounds of some Challengers. He withdrew from AO 1st rd with hip injury after his dynamic win stretch in 2023 AO. Now he is out of top 100 after a CH of 39 last year. Wolf seems to be a friendly down to earth guy-son warmed him up at ATL 250 last year but also had seen him play college tennis. Hope JJ is able to turn his 2024 around before the US Open HC swing...

Speaking of collegians on clay, does playing college hurt their clay game or do the better clay players at 18 playing Futures self-select not to play college tennis. I ask because former collegians this year with the exception of Borges who reached R16 in Rome have played poorly this year at the higher level ATP clay events. In Madrid 0 out 9 former collegians won their R128 matches playing against other non-seeds. It wasnt just the Americans (Eubanks, Nakishima, Giron, Kovacevic) losing the in 1st rd MD but also Rinderknech, Borges, Koepfner, Hanfmann, and Vukic. I think Norrie and Shelton lost in R32. Then in Rome, only 5 out of 12 collegians again playing other nonseeds won their R128. Giron was the only non-seeded American to win a single round. Hanfmann and Vukic won 1 rd, Koepfer 2 rounds, and then Borges outshined them all making it to R16 to face Zverev and he had a close 2nd set losing 5-7. Now today Shelton #4 in the Geneva 250 lost in 2nd rd after winning 1st set and up a break in 2nd, managed to lose 2nd set TB 1-7 and then fall apart in 3rd 2-6. Is there hope for post collegians in clay 1000s/Slams besides Borges? Hopefully after Madrid, Rome, and Geneva, the post collegians will be game ready for Garros...
 

silentkman

Hall of Fame
Popcorn match tomo in Qualis if you have TC plus and are an early riser. Kypson and JJ Wolf play in Qualis 2nd rd. I think this is the 1st time they played since Spitgate 2018 when PK put college tennis in national news for all the wrong reasons. Prior to that in 2017 Kypson beat Wolf in the Kzoo boys 18s in 5 sets to earn the US Open WC. These guys are around 25 now so I imagine the drama will just be in dirty looks and loud fist pumps but still could be interesting. Hope Wolf wins. He has had a tough 2024: 1-6 in ATP MDs, even lost in 1st rounds of some Challengers. He withdrew from AO 1st rd with hip injury after his dynamic win stretch in 2023 AO. Now he is out of top 100 after a CH of 39 last year. Wolf seems to be a friendly down to earth guy-son warmed him up at ATL 250 last year but also had seen him play college tennis. Hope JJ is able to turn his 2024 around before the US Open HC swing...

Speaking of collegians on clay, does playing college hurt their clay game or do the better clay players at 18 playing Futures self-select not to play college tennis. I ask because former collegians this year with the exception of Borges who reached R16 in Rome have played poorly this year at the higher level ATP clay events. In Madrid 0 out 9 former collegians won their R128 matches playing against other non-seeds. It wasnt just the Americans (Eubanks, Nakishima, Giron, Kovacevic) losing the in 1st rd MD but also Rinderknech, Borges, Koepfner, Hanfmann, and Vukic. I think Norrie and Shelton lost in R32. Then in Rome, only 5 out of 12 collegians again playing other nonseeds won their R128. Giron was the only non-seeded American to win a single round. Hanfmann and Vukic won 1 rd, Koepfer 2 rounds, and then Borges outshined them all making it to R16 to face Zverev and he had a close 2nd set losing 5-7. Now today Shelton #4 in the Geneva 250 lost in 2nd rd after winning 1st set and up a break in 2nd, managed to lose 2nd set TB 1-7 and then fall apart in 3rd 2-6. Is there hope for post collegians in clay 1000s/Slams besides Borges? Hopefully after Madrid, Rome, and Geneva, the post collegians will be game ready for Garros...
I'm assuming there are no collegiate clay court events? The only choice would be futures etc?
 

jcgatennismom

Hall of Fame
There's at least one clay tournament I'm aware of in the fall. Dick Vitale's event in Bonita Bay, FL. I think there used to be one in GA, not sure anymore. @jcgatennismom may know.
The Milwaukee gold ball tourney in the fall alternates each year with guys on clay and girls on HC and vice versa. Not sure if it is still held. The winner got a WC into either fall Indoors national singles or AA main draw-cant remember which. There were other isolated fall tourneys on clay. With NCAA singles/dubs in fall 2024, Milwaukee could be cut if not already. Fun fact for TTW posters, Dick Vitale’s grandsons the Krug bros play for Duke
 

silentkman

Hall of Fame
The Milwaukee gold ball tourney in the fall alternates each year with guys on clay and girls on HC and vice versa. Not sure if it is still held. The winner got a WC into either fall Indoors national singles or AA main draw-cant remember which. There were other isolated fall tourneys on clay. With NCAA singles/dubs in fall 2024, Milwaukee could be cut if not already. Fun fact for TTW posters, Dick Vitale’s grandsons the Krug bros play for Duke
You are the ultimate TW resource for college tennis. Thanks
 

JLyon

Hall of Fame
I caught the tail end of the match and Fritz’ racquet smash. Love it that the talented 19yo redhead beat GQ Fritz. If he plays that well at FO he could jump up on rankings-maybe crack top 50…
Saw that too, unfortunately I have done that before as well, then defaulted myself from the match, not one of my better days on the court in my junior days,
 

jcgatennismom

Hall of Fame
Koepfner formerly of Tulane beat Lyon 250 1 seed Ugo Humbert. Ugo pulled out of Rome due to knee injury. Hope Frenchman Ugo will be OK for his home slam next week. Ugo was about #30 in world last year when he played ATL 250. Now he is in top 15. Great win for Dominik.
 

jcgatennismom

Hall of Fame
Diallo and Vacherot of A&M qualified today. JJ Wolf and Squire of Wake are the last two collegians with a chance to qualify tomo
Squire qualified. Wolf lost but got in as LL but has to play Carlos! Eubanks has Sinner 1st round and Kovacevic has Dmitrov. Tough early rounds for unseeded US post collegians. The almost collegian Michelsen who is frequently discussed on this forum plays DeMinaur-I think he has a chance to slay the Demonator. Canadian Diallo should have decent odds again Nishikori. Borges who is at a CH of 46(?) has to play Machac who just beat DJoker in SF of Geneva. Koepfner has to play #5 Med. Adam Walton of TN who got a WC drew Rinderknech in 1st rd-could be a big payday and another CH if AW can beat the French collegian in Paris. Those are the most interesting early college matches to me. Some of the guys may go down fast but they’ll be on Centre court!
Why does US not have more red clay courts? Are all the US clay tourneys on green clay? I know Nat Clay boys was played on green. I heard Lake Nona has red clay but only for PD practice. Is there a big difference in play between red and green clay other than dirtier shoes?
 

ey039524

Professional
Out here on the West coast, it's impossible to find red clay. One of the only places w real red clay courts is in Carlsbad, CA at the Omni resort, where they used to host the La Costa WTA tourney. Green clay is way more common, but still takes a lot of effort to find, and only at private clubs.
 

mikej

Hall of Fame
He beat Fritz in Geneva last week on clay, so was expecting good things from him at the French.
Sure, but I’d say winning games against de Minaur is a lot more work than winning games against Fritz - translating his best career win to expecting him to do well against an even higher ranked player in a GS is maybe a stretch
 

jcgatennismom

Hall of Fame
Honestly would’ve probably said 2,3,2ish

that’s a daunting matchup for anyone, 8 in the world, no free points, etc
Michelsen beat De Minaur 4, 1 at Los Cabos in Feb. Guess it was the surface. Is Tommy Paul the only American who can play on clay?
 

Don Felder

Semi-Pro
Wow, didn’t know he’d done that, that’s frankly amazing, maybe I’m guilty of underestimating Michelsen
De Minaur was also coming off a title at the prior tournament just a couple days before so that played a role in the Los Cabos win.
 
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