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ballmachineguy

Professional
This one is kind of the opposite to the underhand serve question PKorda posed yesterday. The situation:
Your opponent hits an approach and rushes the net, are you forced to either pass him or lob, or, do you feel you can drive one right between the eyes? No rule right?
A pitcher would throw at a batter crowding the plate. A hockey player would give you a stick shaft to the spine if you tried to take away his goalie’s eyes. Are you a “don’t come to the net if you can’t deal” or a “somebody could get hurt” person?
 

mnttlrg

Professional
Competitive play, sure.

Casual play, meh. I'd rather practice hitting a passing shot than to be a jerk to a casual hitting partner.

That's assuming we're keeping score. If we're not, I will give them a volley rep to reward the effort of making our session interesting.
 
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Fintft

Legend
This one is kind of the opposite to the underhand serve question PKorda posed yesterday. The situation:
Your opponent hits an approach and rushes the net, are you forced to either pass him or lob, or, do you feel you can drive one right between the eyes? No rule right?
A pitcher would throw at a batter crowding the plate. A hockey player would give you a stick shaft to the spine if you tried to take away his goalie’s eyes. Are you a “don’t come to the net if you can’t deal” or a “somebody could get hurt” person?
Sometimes accidents do happen, especially since you are seeing him with "you shoulder"/peripherial vision....
 

S&V-not_dead_yet

Talk Tennis Guru
This one is kind of the opposite to the underhand serve question PKorda posed yesterday. The situation:
Your opponent hits an approach and rushes the net, are you forced to either pass him or lob, or, do you feel you can drive one right between the eyes? No rule right?
A pitcher would throw at a batter crowding the plate. A hockey player would give you a stick shaft to the spine if you tried to take away his goalie’s eyes. Are you a “don’t come to the net if you can’t deal” or a “somebody could get hurt” person?
Hitting "at" someone is a totally legit strategy. As a net crasher, I'm fine with it.

I do not aim for someone's head, though.

Same thing when volleying aggressively in doubles: the opposing net man is fair game. Almost everyone playing at my level [4.5] accepts this; you get hit, you move on. No big deal. Lower-level players seem more likely to be a lot more sensitive, taking it as an insult.

I don't try to hit someone: I try to hit at someone because it's a difficult shot to volley [dominant side hip being the classic target].

You could take the Lendl approach after nailing someone ["I didn't invite them to the net"] but that's a personal thing.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
If your name is Ivan Lendl, aka Ivan the Terrible, you go right at 'em. He had quite the reputation as a headhunter in his day. I recall that Andy Murray was not enamored with players who did this. That is, until he took on Ivan Lendl as a coach.


 

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
Sometimes accidents do happen, especially since you are seeing him with "you shoulder"/peripherial vision....
Even using peripheral vision, I can usually easily go for the feet or knees or completely hit away from a player. I suppose if I framed the ball, it might not go where I intended -- at the shot probably wouldn't be as fast / deadly with a such mishit.
 
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Fintft

Legend
Even uaing peripheral vision, I can usually easily go for the feet or knees or completely hit away from a player. I suppose if I framed the ball, it might not go where I intended -- at the shot probably wouldn't be as fast / deadly with a such mishit.
I once gave a guy a black eye, from behind the BL, during the club team's tryouts....

During our lessons, even the main coach, the city champion at the time, would practice his volleys against me, defending only half court.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
I once gave a guy a black eye, from behind the BL, during the club team's tryouts....
I've gotten 1 black eye from tennis. And 2 eye injuries that were much worse than the black eye since the ball hit squarely on the eyeball. Some corneal abrasion (healed in a week or so) and partially detached retinas in both eyes (that have improved in the past 20+ years but have never completely healed).

Sudden head movements produce perceived flashes of light that are not there. With the worst of these incidents, it was so painful I could not open the eye for 4+ hours. After the impacts, my near vision degraded significantly.

All three incidents were freak accidents. None were due to the actions of a headhunter. But when I have been in competition with a headhunter, I'll give him a piece of my mind. I've let them know I already have more than enough damage to my eyes.
 

Fintft

Legend
I've gotten 1 black eye from tennis. And 2 eye injuries that were much worse than the black eye since the ball hit squarely on the eyeball. Some corneal abrasion (healed in a week or so) and partially detached retinas in both eyes (that have improved in the past 20+ years but have never completely healed).

Sudden head movements produce perceived flashes of light that are not there. With the worst of these incidents, it was so painful I could not open the eye for 4+ hours. After the impacts, my near vision degraded significantly.

All three incidents were freak accidents. None were due to the actions of a headhunter. But when I have been in competition with a headhunter, I'll give him a piece of my mind. I've let them know I already have more than enough damage to my eyes.
Sorry to hear that!
I was way behind the baseline when I gave that guy a black eye (and I keep my eyes at contact point through the contact). I can't hit that small target on purpose, especially not from so far back, I think.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
Sorry to hear that!
I was way behind the baseline when I gave that guy a black eye (and I keep my eyes at contact point through the contact). I can't hit that small target on purpose, especially not from so far back, I think.
The guy that gave me the black eye was just inside the BL rallying with another player. I was up at the net picking up a ball that was there. Out of the corner of my eye, with my peripheral vision, I detect some motion headed my way. I instinctively turned to see what it was -- only to be hit with a fast-paced mishit ball. It was more of a glancing blow than the other eye injuries. It looked pretty bad / cool for a couple of weeks but it sid not produce any lasting effects like the other accidents did.
 

Fintft

Legend
The guy that gave me the black eye was just inside the BL rallying with another player. I was up at the net picking up a ball that was there. Out of the corner of my eye, with my peripheral vision, I detect some motion headed my way. I instinctively turned to see what it was -- only to be hit with a fast-paced mishit ball. It was more of a glancing blow than the other eye injuries. It looked pretty bad / cool for a couple of weeks but it sid not produce any lasting effects like the other accidents did.
Well no, my opponent was waiting to volley at the net and he was a decent player, trying out for the team, so I hit my FH passing shot DTL (from way behind the BL) like I normally do and that is hard (as measured by radar gun at the time during a test, hardest among all of us who tried)...
 

mcs1970

Hall of Fame
In rec play I would rather lose than try to hit at someone even if it is a legit strategy. The possibility of inflicting a serious injury is not worth the rewards of winning a meaningless match.

If my opponent does that I would try my best to avoid playing him again.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
In rec play I would rather lose than try to hit at someone even if it is a legit strategy. The possibility of inflicting a serious injury is not worth the rewards of winning a meaningless match.

If my opponent does that I would try my best to avoid playing him again.
2 enthusiastic thumbs up on this.

Nearly 99% of the time (or higher), if you have a headhunt option, there are other options available to you that have no risk of inflicting serious injury. I've gone for feet or knees but never any higher. Most of the time, given the situation, you should be able to hit a passing shot, an angled winner or hit some other shot that will elicit a very weak return.
 
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