Compare and contrast golfing and tennis!

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  1. TimeToPlaySets

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    After a long time away, I was tuning up my golf swing today at the range. I now see golf thru the lens of a tennis player. There is a slight leak in my tee shots. I wanted to work out the kinks before hitting the links again. I played the ball more off the front foot, and it seemed to do the trick. Driver off the big toe, 3W off the inner heel. I also focused more on hip rotation, and that helped to straight everything out. I also varied how far I stood from the club and the lie angle, and tracked results. Then I realized I was a fool trying to work this out, and next time, just take a lesson and get right to it, and save myself weeks of experimenting.

    Compare: In golf (and tennis), there are folks with grotesque 3.0 strokes. They've never taken a single lesson, and it shows, just like tennis. Jerky erratic swings. Bunty abbreviated swings. Poor balance. Tight and jerky. Not smooth and fluids. All arms. Swinging hard, yet slower than someone who uses full torso and hip rotation. But, they've spent years perfecting a broken swing and it works. They can reliably hit the ball straight (but not far), but never truly experience the essence of real golf. They might even score well, with the experience in risk management and consistency of 150 yard 5 iron drives.

    Contrast: At the golf range, there are driving range home run kings who can crush a ball 300 yards but would shoot 120 on the course since they are not real golfers. No sand game, no putting , no chipping, etc. They just practice the biggest shot in golf, the drive. In other words, in golf, the most practiced shot is the drive, and big daddy. Oddly, in tennis, almost no one just sits there practicing the big daddy shot, the big serve. If it was truly parallel, you'd see tons of guys who can serve 100+ mph, yet can't hit a basic groundstroke.
     
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    A pro golfer's ability to hold the angle (lag) of the club until right before impact does mirror the action of the best forehands in top-level tennis.

    Golfers have a much earlier set of the wrist than what's ideal for tennis players, however.

    But in both sports, at the intermediate level, the full swing isn't as important as all the touch shots that come into play, as far as scoring is concerned.
     
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    In tennis people start out rallying from the baselines. And that's kind of where it stays. Golfers hit drives, after all, it's called the driving range.

    I think golfers might think that once they can drive far, that they'll score well. They figure, two putting is routine for pro golfers, so it must be easy. (This is like thinking that extra points in football are routine, so they must be easy). In like manner, tennis players don't know how to win points, and just imagine that hitting hard forehands from behind the baseline will translate into a high level tennis game someday. So they ignore volleys and overheads, figuring that since they are routine on television, they must be easy.

    Golfers and tennis players need to keep their games balanced, not lopsided. Don't be a great driver with no short game. For tennis don't be a hard hitter with no placement, feel, or volley.
     
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    Golfers are old at heart, tennis players are young at heart .
     
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  5. tlm

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    Golf is not a sport it’s a game fat out of shape Americans can play while they drink beer and smoke cigars.
     
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  6. TimeToPlaySets

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    Really? Do you know any real golfers?

    Your impression of "fat man" golf is analogous to 3.0 bunting tennis ladies playing doubles.
    Try going to a pro event and see some 5.5+ golfers

    Golf is absolutely a young man's game.
    Similar to tennis, if you don't master golf by age 21 or 22, you will never play real golf.

    You think a fat old guy can generate this kind of club head speed?
    He's not even playing the same sport as fat old guys with cigars and beers (3.0)

     
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    Well... he's not wrong, it doesn't require the same cardiovascular fitness high intensity sports do. Hence why you have dudes like John Daly, Phil Mickelson, Angel Cabrera... Amazing talents for sure, but don't scream peak athleticism.
     
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  8. S&V-not_dead_yet

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    Fat, out of shape, beer drinking, and cigar smoking Americans can play tennis too. Does that mean tennis is also not a sport?
     
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    golf ball is small and hard, tennis ball is bigger and softer.

    In golf you want a low score, in tennis you want a high score.

    There … done.
     
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    My hitting partner always has his racquet in his right hand, beer in the left, and a stogie in his mouth. Lumbers around the court playing perfect tennis.
     
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    There's a guy at the local park who smokes while playing. He's pretty good too.
     
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    to think - that a round of 72 shots, less the putts, call it 36 shots, is the number of tennis balls you hit in a tie break.

    golf is a complete waste of time.... or, it's a great time killer.
     
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    Ya how about John Daily? How many guys built like that have you seen in pro tennis?
     
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    You think like Mark Twain: "Golf is a great walk, ruined."
     
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  15. S&V-not_dead_yet

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    Ya how about John Isner? How many guys built like that have you seen in pro golf?

    One could spend a lot of time picking cherries among the orchard of data.

    I think a more accurate statement is that golf is not cardio-intensive like tennis. But to jump from that to "it's not a sport" is a leap I can't make.
     
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    Your going to compare John Daly to Isner. Lol. The orchard of data? Whatever you say golf does not take any kind of fitness like real sports do that’s just a fact regardless of what you dream up. I don’t care if you can’t make that leap, because I can very easily.
     
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    I was trying to make a comparison between your choice of Daly for weight in tennis to mine of Isner for height in golf. They're both outliers.

    It's called "cherry picking" data, hence my allusion to an orchard.

    The ironic thing is that the "x doesn't take any kind of fitness like real sports" is the same false argument other sport fans [football, hockey, baseball, basketball, soccer] use when x=tennis. IMO, they're wrong just like you are. People don't seem to respect the skills it takes to do well in sports other than their own.

    Whenever someone writes "that's just a fact", it usually means "this is my opinion and I don't want to consider any other."
     
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    Bob Uecker said that he was a serious baseball player, so he didn't smoke or drink...during the game. That's dedication.
     
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  19. TimeToPlaySets

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    Pete Sampras looks like an accountant, not a pro athlete.
    Fed looks like an finance guy, not a pro athlete.
    Nadal looks like a young plumber, not a pro athlete.
     
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    None of them look like John Daly or Phil Mickelson though do they? Of course not the above mentioned tennis players are athletes and in very good shape. But many golfers like the 2- I mentioned are fat overweight and out of shape non athletes.
     
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    They're both expensive as $#&!
     
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    Daly looks like he ate an accountant, a finance guy and a young plumber.
     
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  23. ByeByePoly

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    Tennis is the meaning of life ... golf is evil

    Military golf is bad ... military tennis is good:

    left, right left,right left,right left,right
     
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  24. ByeByePoly

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    I don't think sexual preference has anything to do with it.
     
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  25. nytennisaddict

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    lol, i'm the equiv of a pusher in golf...
    i drive off the tee using a 1 iron because i can't handle the big dogs (1W-5W)
    i get sneered at, but i get the last laugh when the basher is looking for his ball in the woods.
    it's no wonder they prefer links style courses :p
     
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    If you can hit a 1 iron ... you are better than you think. Also, according to Trevino ... you will be safer playing in lightening than the rest of us. They invented 7 woods so no one ever has to hit a 1 iron again.
     
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    Golf and tennis at higher levels are both sports that require a high level of diverse skills and both are very cerebral games. In both sports you are wise to increase your technical skill, thus increasing your scoring options. But you are also wise to understand the limits of your skill and construct a game that uses the skills you do possess to their greatest effectiveness.

    Most people attempt to play both sports in a manner that exceeds their actual skill level and aren't successful. And few make actual progress in increasing their skill level past very basic levels (yet they imagine their games to be quite advanced). Pushers in both sports master the second part of this equation. That is their genius. But they stay effectively at the same level forever.

    In both sports the male ego is comically on display and provides me with endless silent entertainment.
     
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  28. nytennisaddict

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    in generall all the woods are too long for me to control (arguably i need to be fitted since i'm only 5'4", and clubs are likely geared toward the "average" height of say 5'10")
    i'm content driving 150 off the tee... and get on the green in 3, and fight for bogey on a good day (settle for double bogey on a bad day)
     
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  29. ByeByePoly

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    I was fine without custom clubs at 5' 7", and I never choked up (down ?). Ball on the tee is the most forgiving with any flatter swings ... the ground is the bigger challenge.

    lol ... I just thought about it and I have no idea if I choked down. I didn't hold a club near tip of grip ... so what would be choking down.
     
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    There are no backhands in golf!
     
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  31. ByeByePoly

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    fyi ... someone here (ttw) pointed out players like Sergio add lag on the downswing. I had no idea, we were all taught to set hand position at backswing.

     
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    I don't know about that ... you can see some strange stuff that defies physics at the public driving range. :p
     
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  33. nytennisaddict

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    not true... i used to goof around and practice inverting an iron and swinging at the ball lefty
    useful if say yoiur ball is up against a tree or similar obstacle (ie. i can't hit a normal right handed shot to advance the ball toward the hole)
     
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  34. ByeByePoly

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    Tweener. :D

    I hit the ball on the green once intentionally hitting the ball into the tree with it ricocheting past me to the green. I remember someone in my group say "what are you doing" followed by "no way". You only want to try that when the tree is close to the green. ;)
     
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    For many decades, the only left handed golfer to win a major was Bob Charles in the early 60s at the British Open.

    But guess what, just like Phil Michelson, Charles was a completely right handed person who simply played the game from the other side!

    I happened to see him interviewed one time, and he said his choice to play lefty was very deliberate, since he always felt more comfortable and in control hitting a backhand in tennis compared to the FH. He simply applied that preference to the other sport.
     
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    He must have hit a 2hbh. :p
     
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    As a golfer and tennis player, my opinion is:

    Similarities:
    1) Both are good sports to grow old with as you can transition from singles to doubles or from walking to cart golf.
    2) Both require mastery of the kinetic chain to excel
    3) Both require striking a ball with an expensive implement
    4) Both are excellent social sports to meet people
    5) Both are games that revolve around minimizing your mistakes

    Differences:
    1) Golf is hit and observe and Tennis is hit and recover (this is my problem in tennis; too much hit and stare)
    2) Golf and Tennis swings are entirely different tempos
    3) Tennis requires short burst speed as well as stamina, golf just requires stamina
    4) Golf takes more time, Tennis is easier to fit into a busy schedule
     
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  38. TimeToPlaySets

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    LOL, if you want to see fat overweight and out of shape non athletes
    look no further than your local USTA doubles match.
    Filled with grotesquely out of shape gout riddled non-athletes
    who could not correctly swing a golf club if their life depended on it.
    (or play a singles match, for that matter)
     
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    John Daly ? Really ?
    When he won, I bet he was more fit than 95% of the slobs who play rec tennis

    Here is what Daly looked like when he won the PGA in 1991 at age 25



    [​IMG]
     
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    Modern drivers are much easier to hit than a 1i.

    But, you have the right mindset.
    Most hackers are better of not using the driver.
    Best way to instantly shave 5-10 strokes off your score.
     
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    It's not about height. You might be able to use the same clubs as Michael Jordan, based on arm length.
    Can you measure the distance from your wrist (where it bends) to the floor (with shoes) ?
     
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    There are more and hotter chicks playing tennis then golf.

    -Mic Drop!

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    I might be wrong about this, but isn't it common to have 50 year old guys playing in major pro golf tournaments ? I don't think you'd see that in tennis, at least not in singles in the open era.
     
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  44. ByeByePoly

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    Until Fed is 50. :p
     
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    That makes sense ... I vaguely remember hearing that. Hey ... maybe I needed longer clubs with 32 sleeve length. :p

    When you said your drive was leaking ... you meant fading right? I would have thought without changing swing or grip you would have moved ball back in stance. I would roll club slightly to close the face a little, and hit a slight fade which worked for me off tee (250-260ish). Probably should have changed swing ... but I was a straight driver so didn't want to mess with it.

    Hey ... have you started working on 2hbh with your coach yet? I am looking forward to input.
     
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    Except that there isn't much walking anymore for the "weekend warrior."
     
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    You are comparing a 25 yo world class golfer to a 3.5 tennis rec hack?
    I would guess that a 25 yo Nalbandian was more fit than >95% of the slobs who play rec golf.

    John Daly is growing concerned about your logical reasoning skills:

    [​IMG]
     
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    Daly, in his fat slob incarnation, has not won.
    So posting his photo makes as much sense as posting the following.

    Tons of fat overweight and out of shape non athletes play tennis.
    Tons of fat overweight and out of shape non athletes play golf.
    None of the fat slobs are competitive in either.

    Peruse all the major winners in golf in recent decades,
    and see if you can find fat overweight and out of shape non athletes.

    [​IMG]
     
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    That fat guy would easily triple bagel you...even if you junkballed against him.
     
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    Uh, no. Google

    john daly british open championship

    And Willis was a one off - qualified on his preferred surface.
     
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