Compare POGOS vs Prince Classic Graphite 107

Mad hatter

Semi-Pro
Hi,
Can anyone provide feedback concerning the features and comparison of these two great frames.
Usage will be strictly doubles play @ 4.0 level.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Isn't the Prince Classic Graphite 107 just the re-release of the POG OS?

In which case my answer is "one is newer and the other is older"

I have a new release version and it plays unlike much else out there. Maybe the Blade 104 SW is the closest modern racquet to it. Great for RoS and 2HBH. Bit sluggish for volleys. Deadly for overheads. Decent for serves if you can get the frame going but I do tend to tire with it by hour 3.
 

grhcan99

Semi-Pro
I've played with the old and new. The older plays softer than the re-release. Solid, good heft. But a bit stiffer than my elbow cares about.
 

graycrait

Hall of Fame
As far as I know there have been two re-releases in the last 10 yrs. I think the POG 107 that came out in what 2012? - was the one people refer to as the PCG 107, it has white lettering with "PRINCE" on both front sides of the throat. Subsequent to that has been the POG "Tour" 107 that has gold letter with the word TOUR on the left front of the throat. However, this latest Tour cosmetic had come out at an earlier date. @Sanglier probably can make some sense of this.

I personally like the 4-stripe POG OS that has 110 at the top the best. My next favorite is the "PCG 107" which plays like a fairy wand compared to the 4 other iterations that I have of the POG 107 including an earlier "TOUR" model. I do not have the latest re-release but I have a couple of friends I see on rare occasion who have them. I'll ask for a hit sometime. However, leather vs synthetic grip and string/tension choice makes the POG 107 play wildly different one from the other.
 

Mad hatter

Semi-Pro
Isn't the Prince Classic Graphite 107 just the re-release of the POG OS?

In which case my answer is "one is newer and the other is older"

I have a new release version and it plays unlike much else out there. Maybe the Blade 104 SW is the closest modern racquet to it. Great for RoS and 2HBH. Bit sluggish for volleys. Deadly for overheads. Decent for serves if you can get the frame going but I do tend to tire with it by hour 3.
The lack of maneuverability at net concerns me.
 

Seth

Hall of Fame
The last three gens of the POG have all felt the same to me. Those being the current Tour cosmetic, the Graphite Classic with updated font (released with the 100 and 100LB versions), and the first Tour version which had a black buttcap with gold P. I believe the one before the Tour was the Straight Shaft, which I’ve never hit with.

I’ve used all there aforementioned versions with various string setups. I liked them all and had no issues at net. The only slight against the POG is serving. Depending on your motion/form, it can be tough to get it going after a couple of sets (for me at least). However, the kick I get with it makes it worth it.
 

graycrait

Hall of Fame
@Seth, so the very latest POG 107s are: Gold lettered Tour, then PCG 107, and lastly another Gold lettered Tour.

I took 3 different crossbar Prince 107s out tonight. Obviously not scientific but I still like the Chang Ti OS over the Boron and even the 4-stripe "110". But I did have a blast with the Boron strung with Prince Premier Control 16 at 62lbs. As long as I got the racket behind the ball the ball somehow made it over the net with little effort. I just have more control with the lighter Chang Ti OS and even at 28" I like bringing around on serve better than the POG or Boron. It is like splitting hairs though.
 

Seth

Hall of Fame
@Seth, so the very latest POG 107s are: Gold lettered Tour, then PCG 107, and lastly another Gold lettered Tour.

I took 3 different crossbar Prince 107s out tonight. Obviously not scientific but I still like the Chang Ti OS over the Boron and even the 4-stripe "110". But I did have a blast with the Boron strung with Prince Premier Control 16 at 62lbs. As long as I got the racket behind the ball the ball somehow made it over the net with little effort. I just have more control with the lighter Chang Ti OS and even at 28" I like bringing around on serve better than the POG or Boron. It is like splitting hairs though.
Yes, the only different between the current Tour racquet and precious Tour version are:

Current: updated buttcap also used on the PCG107; darker leather grip

Previous: Black buttcap with gold P; lighter leather grip

I’ve never used a Chang 28”, but would like to try it eventually.
 

graycrait

Hall of Fame
I’ve never used a Chang 28”, but would like to try it eventually.
The difference between the Ti and Graphite versions of the Chang rackets in both 95 and 107 is quite remarkable. Both Chang graphite versions are more or less plentiful on the auction site, as are 95" Ti Changs. 107 Ti Changs are tough to find in my grip size without paying through the nose. I count myself lucky to having two of them.
 

Seth

Hall of Fame
The difference between the Ti and Graphite versions of the Chang rackets in both 95 and 107 is quite remarkable. Both Chang graphite versions are more or less plentiful on the auction site, as are 95" Ti Changs. 107 Ti Changs are tough to find in my grip size without paying through the nose. I count myself lucky to having two of them.
Having never hit either, I’m interested to know why you like the Ti over the non-Ti?
 

graycrait

Hall of Fame
Below are the specs. What I like about the Ti over the Graphite:
1. The predictable flex (I used to be a traditional archer) of the Ti along the entire axis of the racket, whereas the graphite feels "fluttery" in the flex. The Tis' feel crisper, not stiff, just crisper. All my Changs were in good shape when I purchased them.
2. Both of the Ti's are 8pts HL
3. The Tis' higher swingweights coupled with the slightly lower weights allows me to get them moving in time. From time to time I get to hit with a UTR 12+ former top 10 European junior and if the light is good I can hang a bit with the 21yr old. Of course I have to revert to smack talk well timed to get a point:) I am 65 without the benefit of hardened junior tennis upbringing. Just living on some asphalt courts near where I grew up. I feel comfortable rallying with him with the Chang 95 Ti, plus I can surprise him with my serve. When the lighting is bad, when I am lazy, and or just want to feel good hitting and laughing the 107 works pretty well. At the net you just choke up on whichever one you chose to use. But serving with the 95 Ti is such a joy. Better than the Precision 730LB 97" 14x18, better than the Precision 690LB 95" 16x20 and best of all the Changs. Although I can serve pretty well with the Chang Ti 107", I still like serving with the 95 Ti better.

I just went out this morning with my ball machine practicing backhands, hitting 4-500, then a 150 serves. I took the Boron, Mono, Chang Ti OS and Chang Ti 95. They were all strung the same. I am starting to once again feel an unnatural fetish for the Chang Ti 95LB. (I have no shortage of other Prince rackets with 6 POG OS, 6 other Prince OS and nearly 30 Prince 93" rackets.) I took a couple month break from Prince and longbodies, focusing on my 93" Tour 10 18x20s and the ROK 93's. It turns out they were just an infatuation.

Prince Precision Michael Chang Longbody Midplus (GRAPHITE)
Head Size:95 sq. in. / 613 sq. cm.
Length:28.00 inches / 71.12 cm
Strung Weight:11.80 oz / 335 g
Balance:11pts HL
Swing Weight:330
Beam Width:20.0mm
Tip/Shaft:20.0mm / 20.0mm
Composition:100% Graphite
Power Level:Low
Stiffness:62
String Pattern:14 Mains/18 Crosses
Main Skip:7T,7H
String Tension:53-63
Prince Precision Michael Chang Longbody Oversize (GRAPHITE)
Head Size:107 sq. in. / 690 sq. cm.
Length:28.00 inches / 71.12 cm
Strung Weight:11.10 oz / 315 g
Balance:4pts HL
Swing Weight:346
Beam Width:20.0mm
Tip/Shaft:20.0mm / 20.0mm
Composition:100% Graphite
Power Level:Low
Stiffness:59
String Pattern:16 Mains/19 Crosses
Main Skip:8T,8H
String Tension:50-65

Prince Michael Chang Titanium Midplus
Head Size:95 sq. in. / 613 sq. cm.
Length:28.00 inches / 71.12 cm
Strung Weight:11.40 oz / 323 g
Balance:8pts HL
Swing Weight:351
Beam Width:20.0mm
Tip/Shaft:20.0mm / 20.0mm
Composition:Graphite with Titanium
Power Level:Medium
Stiffness:65
String Pattern:14 Mains/18 Crosses
Main Skip:7T,7H
String Tension:53-63

Prince Michael Chang Titanium Oversize
Head Size:107 sq. in. / 690 sq. cm.
Length:28.00 inches / 71.12 cm
Strung Weight:11.60 oz / 329 g
Balance:8pts HL
Swing Weight:360
Beam Width:20.0mm
Tip/Shaft:20.0mm / 20.0mm
Composition:Graphite with Titanium
Power Level:Medium
Stiffness:63
String Pattern:16 Mains/19 Crosses
Main Skip:8T,8H
String Tension:57-67
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
The lack of maneuverability at net concerns me.
That's probably the least of your concerns. Compared to serves and returns, how many lightning fast reflex volleys do you make in a match? I'd take a solid returning and serving frame over a quick frame any day.

I've played plenty of doubles matches with the POG 107 and I rarely find I'm losing a volley war because of maneuverability issues. Might be once per match. But the rock solid returns help me win points all the time.

I will say i prefer it for clay singles play and use my Phantom 100 18x20 for most doubles. The Phantom has the forecourt advantages and is still solid on returns and deadly accurate on serves.
 

Mad hatter

Semi-Pro
That's probably the least of your concerns. Compared to serves and returns, how many lightning fast reflex volleys do you make in a match? I'd take a solid returning and serving frame over a quick frame any day.

I've played plenty of doubles matches with the POG 107 and I rarely find I'm losing a volley war because of maneuverability issues. Might be once per match. But the rock solid returns help me win points all the time.

I will say i prefer it for clay singles play and use my Phantom 100 18x20 for most doubles. The Phantom has the forecourt advantages and is still solid on returns and deadly accurate on serves.
You make a good point. I guess no racquet is perfect.Do you find the Phantom 100 is more maneuverable than the POG 107.
 

grhcan99

Semi-Pro
That's probably the least of your concerns. Compared to serves and returns, how many lightning fast reflex volleys do you make in a match? I'd take a solid returning and serving frame over a quick frame any day.

I've played plenty of doubles matches with the POG 107 and I rarely find I'm losing a volley war because of maneuverability issues. Might be once per match. But the rock solid returns help me win points all the time.

I will say i prefer it for clay singles play and use my Phantom 100 18x20 for most doubles. The Phantom has the forecourt advantages and is still solid on returns and deadly accurate on serves.
My sentiments exactly. When I'm late I have never blamed the racquet. Unless I'm wielding a sledgehammer, no racquet that I have played have been heavy enough to affect my net game. I have the C10 Pro, POG 107, PK Ki 5 PSE, Big Bubba 137 (412 SW). They've never given me issues at the net. If I'm late I blame myself for misreading the play and if I find I had to do a lightning fast reaction volley then I don't expect too much from it. I'd be thankful if I get it right. Ok if I don't. If I find that my net game is not there then it's got something to do with me. My rhythm's off, not tracking the ball well, lights are too dim, didn't get good sleep, knees are not up to good footwork, etc, etc. But I've never blamed my racquets. On days that I play good and calm, they're the best weapons at the net. You don't have to do much at all. Just point your racquet at the direction of the ball.
 

Mad hatter

Semi-Pro
My sentiments exactly. When I'm late I have never blamed the racquet. Unless I'm wielding a sledgehammer, no racquet that I have played have been heavy enough to affect my net game. I have the C10 Pro, POG 107, PK Ki 5 PSE, Big Bubba 137 (412 SW). They've never given me issues at the net. If I'm late I blame myself for misreading the play and if I find I had to do a lightning fast reaction volley then I don't expect too much from it. I'd be thankful if I get it right. Ok if I don't. If I find that my net game is not there then it's got something to do with me. My rhythm's off, not tracking the ball well, lights are too dim, didn't get good sleep, knees are not up to good footwork, etc, etc. But I've never blamed my racquets. On days that I play good and calm, they're the best weapons at the net. You don't have to do much at all. Just point your racquet at the direction of the ball.
My sentiments exactly. When I'm late I have never blamed the racquet. Unless I'm wielding a sledgehammer, no racquet that I have played have been heavy enough to affect my net game. I have the C10 Pro, POG 107, PK Ki 5 PSE, Big Bubba 137 (412 SW). They've never given me issues at the net. If I'm late I blame myself for misreading the play and if I find I had to do a lightning fast reaction volley then I don't expect too much from it. I'd be thankful if I get it right. Ok if I don't. If I find that my net game is not there then it's got something to do with me. My rhythm's off, not tracking the ball well, lights are too dim, didn't get good sleep, knees are not up to good footwork, etc, etc. But I've never blamed my racquets. On days that I play good and calm, they're the best weapons at the net. You don't have to do much at all. Just point your racquet at the direction of the ball.
I currently use C 10pro. Very happy with it. As a senior player some times lose a little
focus hence some mishits. Though a sligthly larger headsize might help in those cases.
i always wanted to try ki5 pse as i prefer heavier racquet. My C10pros weight 365 g . How would you compare them to the ki5 pse. Must weigh about 375 g?
 

Shangri La

Hall of Fame
I tried a few strings (PSGD, old VS gut, WC Mosquito bite) in the OS Tour version a few years ago, but always felt it played brassy/metalic, lacking the graphite feel that I expected. In the mean time the re-release of graphite 100 standard length has the exact satisfying ball feel I wanted. Tried RS Lyon in the OS recently and it felt better but still not 100% there. I wonder if anyone else feels the same way.
 

grhcan99

Semi-Pro
I currently use C 10pro. Very happy with it. As a senior player some times lose a little
focus hence some mishits. Though a sligthly larger headsize might help in those cases.
i always wanted to try ki5 pse as i prefer heavier racquet. My C10pros weight 365 g . How would you compare them to the ki5 pse. Must weigh about 375 g?
Yes you're totally right it's 13+ oz :) It is much stiffer feeling than the C10 Pro. But yeah supremely solid, stable, and good control (16x20). I only have one so I don't use it for matches as I might start to like it more again and I can't play matches with only one racquet.
 

Mad hatter

Semi-Pro
Yes you're totally right it's 13+ oz :) It is much stiffer feeling than the C10 Pro. But yeah supremely solid, stable, and good control (16x20). I only have one so I don't use it for matches as I might start to like it more again and I can't play matches with only one racquet.
Well. I have one pk 5g customized to 365 g 9 pts h/l. Will probably stay with that. Looks like my other option is to get POGOS 4 stripe or prince graph comp 110 and be done.
 
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