Comparing BIG3

DjokoLand

Hall of Fame
All incredible Champions in there own right. The numbers give a edge to Djokovic but they all have insane records and it’s hard to tell them apart
 

DjokoLand

Hall of Fame
Exactly that is the most important record says I
Not necessarily at all. It shows how Fed was so dominant for 5 years which is a huge plus but also that he struggled to get back there most of his career.
Though I will say the record is insane
 

FRV4

Professional
Not necessarily at all. It shows how Fed was so dominant for 5 years which is a huge plus but also that he struggled to get back there most of his career.
Though I will say the record is insane
You are very reasonable person
 

DjokoLand

Hall of Fame
Where's majors head-to-head? Nadal leads there. And in domination of a single major and surface.
I never counted this but I think it should be there. Nadal is 10-7 against Djokovic at slams but they had more meeting at RG than all others combined. Yes Nadal still has to win them but Djokovic making it too Nadal on Clay and losing yet Nadal not doing the same on HC doesn’t make the stat bad for Djokovic
 

weakera

G.O.A.T.
I never counted this but I think it should be there. Nadal is 10-7 against Djokovic at slams but they had more meeting at RG than all others combined. Yes Nadal still has to win them but Djokovic making it too Nadal on Clay and losing yet Nadal not doing the same on HC doesn’t make the stat bad for Djokovic

Ahhhh... that argument again :giggle:

Nadal has failed to meet Djokovic (ie, been eliminated prior to a potential Djokovic matchup) at AO six times in their career (2008, 2011, 2015, 2016, 2020, 2021). Every other year, Djokovic and Nadal either met, or Djokovic was eliminated in an earlier round than Nadal or the same round.

Djokovic has failed to meet Nadal (ie, been eliminated prior to a potential Nadal matchup) at RG seven times in their career (2005, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2017, 2018, 2019). Every other year, Djokovic and Nadal either met, or Nadal was eliminated in an earlier round than Djokovic or the same round.


Thanks for playing :giggle:
 

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
Where's majors head-to-head? Nadal leads there. And in domination of a single major and surface.
How about which players have the beaten the other two at all four majors?

How about the winning percentage on each of the three surfaces against top ten players to see who is above and below 50%?

We can make plenty of such examples.
 

goldengate14

Professional
Djokovic narrowly ahead of Federer. Both firmly ahead of Nadal.
No. Nadal has the biggest 5 events. Nadal has to be top of the pile. Federer is 2nd. History will never analyse stars like that. History just looks at the marquee events and they are the Majors and Olympics.
 

nachiket nolefam

Hall of Fame
No. Nadal has the biggest 5 events. Nadal has to be top of the pile. Federer is 2nd. History will never analyse stars like that. History just looks at the marquee events and they are the Majors and Olympics.
Once we are out of clay season he usually disappears. History will definitely remember that no matter how much we want to hide.
 

goldengate14

Professional
How about which players have the beaten the other two at all four majors?

How about the winning percentage on each of the three surfaces against top ten players to see who is above and below 50%?

We can make plenty of such examples.
Too much detail. Muhamed Ali is considered the greatest boxer of all time due to his world titles. Rod laver ahead of Rosewall etc. History keeps things simple and focusses on the biggest events . They are the Majors and Olympics in tennis. Nadal will gO down as GOAT of his era of things remain as they are although the Djokovic crumble under pressure perhaps strengthens Rod laver claim . He is now front and centre again
 

topher

Hall of Fame
How about which players have the beaten the other two at all four majors?

How about the winning percentage on each of the three surfaces against top ten players to see who is above and below 50%?

We can make plenty of such examples.
The list was clearly made by a Novak fan already, what more do you want? :D

Listing “big titles” as it’s own category, most ATP points (what), and splitting the overall H2H rather than putting them together (which would put Rafa in the lead - for now), and including top 10 wins which Novak just barely passed Roger in.

Do you guys need to include Belgrade open titles too??
 
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goldengate14

Professional
The list was clearly made by a Novak fan already, what more do you want? :D

Listing “big titles” as it’s own category, most ATP points (what), and splitting the overall H2H rather than putting them together (which would put Rafa in the lead - for now), and including top 10 wins which Novak just barely passed Roger in.
That table was really badly timed as he just so obvious a coping table. I don't get the Big title definition. Who has decided the cut off for a big title? Why stop at M1000 level? Why is m1000 a big title when less prestigious than Majors and Olympics but M500 not a big title when less prestigious than m1000?
Either the so called GOAT debate solely focusses on the biggest events which are Majors and Olympics according to the players in which case Nadal leads the debate or all tournaments count at pro level which means Federer leads the race. I mean weeks at no.1 gets mentioned and Ye1 and players have played 250 events to secure points !! So therefore they must be big events.
It is obviously disappointing Djokovic failed in his quest but makig up random tables really makes it worse.
 

topher

Hall of Fame
That table was really badly timed as he just so obvious a coping table. I don't get the Big title definition. Who has decided the cut off for a big title? Why stop at M1000 level? Why is m1000 a big title when less prestigious than Majors and Olympics but M500 not a big title when less prestigious than m1000?
Either the so called GOAT debate solely focusses on the biggest events which are Majors and Olympics according to the players in which case Nadal leads the debate or all tournaments count at pro level which means Federer leads the race. I mean weeks at no.1 gets mentioned and Ye1 and players have played 250 events to secure points !! So therefore they must be big events.
It is obviously disappointing Djokovic failed in his quest but makig up random tables really makes it worse.
Ha, I like that you emphasize the Olympics so much even if I don’t agree (slams >> the rest). It’s a nice change of pace from the Fedovic fans who over-emphasize the WTF mostly to troll us Nadal fans.
 

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
The list was clearly made by a Novak fan already, what more do you want? :D

Listing “big titles” as it’s own category, most ATP points (what), and splitting the overall H2H rather than putting them together (which would put Rafa in the lead - for now), and including top 10 wins which Novak just barely passed Roger in.

Do you guys need to include Belgrade open titles too??
We want the world chico, and everything in it. ;)
 

Spencer Gore

Hall of Fame
The main thing to consider is that having three players with such high numbers compared to historical precedent suggests we have been in a strange inflationary era, probably caused by equipment changes and court homogenisation.
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
They made a mockery of the sport, these numbers are beyond stupid.
t will be interesting to watch them converge fully into "The Three" in the public mind over the next ten/fifteen years especially if a new superstar emerges

You already see this happening with "Fedal" to some extent. If Novak doesn't win AO22 and then plays Nadal in an RG22 Final I would guess 80-90% of Fed fans would cheer for Nadal.
 

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
t will be interesting to watch them converge fully into "The Three" in the public mind over the next ten/fifteen years especially if a new superstar emerges

You already see this happening with "Fedal" to some extent. If Novak doesn't win AO22 and then plays Nadal in an RG22 Final I would guess 80-90% of Fed fans would cheer for Nadal.
The three of them are too entwined together now. You cannot have one without the other two.
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
The three of them are too entwined together now. You cannot have one without the other two.
I don't find it surprising at all that many players become close in later life (except Sampras and Agassi of course!).

Who understands better than Federer what Djokovic experienced in that US Final? In the end that will matter more than personality differences and ancient squabbles.
 

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
I don't find it surprising at all that many players become close in later life (except Sampras and Agassi of course!).

Who understands better than Federer what Djokovic experienced in that US Final? In the end that will matter more than personality differences and ancient squabbles.
There is a saying.

It takes champion to know a champion. These guys know each other and have more in common with each other than we will ever know...because they have walked a path very very few ever have. When you are cut from the same cloth, you just know each other in a way no one else can.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Nadal says that you shouldn't remember this titles, but the example he set for boys and girls. So that puts him in third place if we respect his wishes.
 

Tenacity

Hall of Fame
Nadal says that you shouldn't remember this titles, but the example he set for boys and girls. So that puts him in third place if we respect his wishes.
With all due respect to him as an injured person that plays tennis, he is third as of some time ago, no way around it.
 
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