Comparing Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic at 50th Title Won

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As we all know, Novak won his 50th title on Sunday. I thought it would be interesting to compare the titles won by Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic when they had won 50 titles.

Federer - 50th at 2007 Cincinnati
11 Grand Slams, 3 Year Ends, and 15 Tennis Masters Series tournaments
50-16 in all tournament finals (75.75%)
34-27 in all tournament finals since

Nadal - 50th at 2012 French Open
11 Grand Slams, 0 Year Ends, and 21 Tennis Masters Series tournaments
50-21 in all tournament finals (70.42%)
15-7 in all tournament finals since

Djokovic - 50th at 2015 Indian Wells
8 Grand Slams, 4 Year Ends, and 21 Tennis Masters Series tournaments
50-23 in all tournament finals (68.49%)

I am too lazy to calculate how many tournaments each played before reaching 50 tournament wins. I am sure Nadal played the fewest.
 
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Federer has won only 1 GS tournament after the age of 28 years and 6 months (he is 33 years and 7 months now).

Nadal is already 28 years and 9 months. It will be interesting to watch what can Nadal achieve in his "post-28 years of age" career.

Djokovic is 27 years and 10 months.


If I had to bet my house, I'd say Federer's 17 GS Open Era record is quite safe (Djokovic is too far away and already nearly 28 y.o. and Nadal....it will depend a lot on how many more Roland Garros titles will he be able to win).
 
Why does it say Nadal had "0 Year Ends" by 2012 ?!
Nadal was year-end-#1 in 2008 and 2010 :cry:
 
roysid said:
Who would have thought djokovic will 12 slams from 2018 to 2023
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Amazing. I just glanced at his record in slam finals. He lost in his first final in 2007 to Fed, at age 19, and never lost another final to him. He lost five finals to Rafa, and two each to Murray, Stan, and Carlitos.
 
Mustard said:
Because Nadal failed to keep Djokovic in the genie's bottle at 2018 Wimbledon. I'm convinced that Djokovic would have a maximum 15 majors today had Nadal won that 2018 Wimbledon semi final, and perhaps still on 12.
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Why? I've seen similar sentiments about Winbledon 2014, and even Wimbledon 2019 (to a much lesser extent). Who are the players Djo would have started racking up losses to in slams had he not won Wimbledon 2018?
 
FlyingSaucer said:
Why? I've seen similar sentiments about Winbledon 2014, and even Wimbledon 2019 (to a much lesser extent). Who are the players Djo would have started racking up losses to in slams had he not won Wimbledon 2018?
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Djokovic hadn't won a major in over 2 years. He was cracking up, see vs. Nadal at 2018 Rome, vs. Cecchinato at 2018 French Open, vs. Cilic at 2018 Queen's Club, and growling at his box during the fifth set of the 2018 Wimbledon semi vs. Nadal in a primal rage. Djokovic was desperately trying to release the beast (wolf?), and stop him being kept away again. If Nadal wins that match, I'm convinced that the 2017-mid 2018 dynamic carries on for perhaps another year.

2014 Wimbledon is an important moment too, considering that the major tally at the time was 17 for Federer, 14 for Nadal and 6 for Djokovic, with Djokovic not having won a major in well over a year.
 
Mustard said:
Djokovic hadn't won a major in over 2 years. He was cracking up, see vs. Nadal at 2018 Rome, vs. Cecchinato at 2018 French Open, vs. Cilic at 2018 Queen's Club, and growling at his box during the fifth set of the 2018 Wimbledon semi vs. Nadal in a primal rage. Djokovic was desperately trying to release the beast (wolf?), and stop him being kept away again. If Nadal wins that match, I'm convinced that the 2017-mid 2018 dynamic carries on for perhaps another year.
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So, continued QF and maybe SF losses and not even making finals?

Mustard said:
2014 Wimbledon is an important moment too, considering that the major tally at the time was 17 for Federer, 14 for Nadal and 6 for Djokovic, with Djokovic not having won a major in well over a year.
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I mean, Djokovic still lost to Nishikori at the USO.
 
Mustard said:
Because Nadal failed to keep Djokovic in the genie's bottle at 2018 Wimbledon. I'm convinced that Djokovic would have a maximum 15 majors today had Nadal won that 2018 Wimbledon semi final, and perhaps still on 12.
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The reason he won so many is because of the lack of depth after 2019. Rafa doesn't change that.
 
Mustard said:
Because Nadal failed to keep Djokovic in the genie's bottle at 2018 Wimbledon. I'm convinced that Djokovic would have a maximum 15 majors today had Nadal won that 2018 Wimbledon semi final, and perhaps still on 12.
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That makes no sense. When RAFA lost to Ol’ Rog did that keep the genie in the bottle? Ofc not, he went on to win 2 schlems that year and finish YE#1. The fact of the matter is Joker had already recovered his form by the time the 2018 season was half way over. Had he lost to RAFA in a nail biter SF he would have taken the positives from that loss and built on his game/confidence from there. At the very least he would have won the USO later that year and would have one of his best AO runs just a few months later. The Big 3 are just made of sturdier stuff.
 
The Blond Blur said:
That makes no sense. When RAFA lost to Ol’ Rog did that keep the genie in the bottle?
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That was in early 2017. Completely different situation at that time.

The Blond Blur said:
The fact of the matter is Joker had already recovered his form by the time the 2018 season was half way over. Had he lost to RAFA in a nail biter SF he would have taken the positives from that loss and built on his game/confidence from there. At the very least he would have won the USO later that year and would have one of his best AO runs just a few months later. The Big 3 are just made of sturdier stuff.
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That was NOT the feeling at the time (i.e. spring 2018), at all. Djokovic's reaction after the Cecchinato loss in particular said it all, holding the presser in a small room and giving mostly one word answers, like someone desperate to get out of the rut and depressed that he was staying there for longer. He didn't react very well to Nadal beating him at 2018 Rome, and had championship points against Cilic in the 2018 Queen's Club final and eventually lost. In the fifth set against Nadal at 2018 Wimbledon, Djokovic was shouting, primally, at his box. When he won, he was free of his cage, and then won 3 majors in a row, after having not won a major for over 2 years prior to that.
 
Mustard said:
That was in early 2017. Completely different situation at that time.
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It was actually almost a one to one situation. RAFA was coming off of back to back horrendous seasons in 2015-2016 where he suffered multiple injuries. He had actually gone even longer between winning his previous schlem (RG 2014) before winning his next schlem (RG 2017) than Joker’s own schlem drought.
Mustard said:
That was NOT the feeling at the time (i.e. spring 2018), at all. Djokovic's reaction after the Cecchinato loss in particular said it all, holding the presser in a small room and giving mostly one word answers, like someone desperate to get out of the rut and depressed that he was staying there for longer. He didn't react very well to Nadal beating him at 2018 Rome, and had championship points against Cilic in the 2018 Queen's Club final and eventually lost. In the fifth set against Nadal at 2018 Wimbledon, Djokovic was shouting, primally, at his box. When he won, he was free of his cage, and then won 3 majors in a row, after having not won a major for over 2 years prior to that.
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Joker’s reaction after that loss was nothing but crocodile tears. The guy is known for being hyper emotional things up when things aren’t going his way. He was never not going to play Wimby in 2018. The fact that he made the Queens F was a big deal, as it showed his form was improving. And again, even if he had lost the Wimby 2018 SF he still almost assuredly wins the USO a couple months later. No one in the draw would have been capable of beating him, especially when Fedal struggled mightily with physical issues of their own.
 
The Blond Blur said:
It was actually almost a one to one situation. RAFA was coming off of back to back horrendous seasons in 2015-2016 where he suffered multiple injuries. He had actually gone even longer between winning his previous schlem (RG 2014) before winning his next schlem (RG 2017) than Joker’s own schlem drought.
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In that situation, it was Federer's win over Nadal that changed the past dynamic of their rivalry.
 
Pheasant said:
Everybody was wrong about all of it. Nobody could have seen 24/22/20 coming from 10 years ago.
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Slams seeded number 1

Murray 3
Sinner 3 in AO
Alcaraz 3
Courier 5
Edberg 6
Agassi 7
McEnroe 10
Borg 14
Lendl 14
Sampras 14
Connors 15
Nadal 16
Federer 24
Djokovic 33
 
Mustard said:
In that situation, it was Federer's win over Nadal that changed the past dynamic of their rivalry.
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That’s not the point. When RAFA lost to Fed in the AO 17 F did that “keep the genie in the bottle?” Of course not. The same way that beating Joker in the Wimby 18 SF wouldn’t have prevented him from winning more schlems. Once he got healthy and out of his burnout post RG 16 he went back to being a constant schlem contender.
 
The Blond Blur said:
That’s not the point. When RAFA lost to Fed in the AO 17 F did that “keep the genie in the bottle?” Of course not.
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Nadal is not Djokovic. 2015 for Nadal was a consistent mediocrity playing his usual style when he was uncertain about his body and had become too old for that style, while 2016 had higher highs but lower lows than 2015. 2017 was a change in approach, looking to shorten points and save his movement for when he really needed it.

Nadal's whole approach is routines and staying in the present. Djokovic's approach is a sense of destiny and his head in the clouds.
 
Hitman said:
They made a joke of it all. 66 slams. They made out like bandits.
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Because of Homogenization.
Alcaraz and Possibly Sinner will also make joke of the numbers that PAST legends put. It's easier to dominate for longer time today.
Alcaraz is 4 slams away from great Jimmy Connors now. He is just 21. Could win AO and be 5 slam winner before age 22.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Slams seeded number 1

Murray 3
Sinner 3 in AO
Alcaraz 3
Courier 5
Edberg 6
Agassi 7
McEnroe 10
Borg 14
Lendl 14
Sampras 14
Connors 15
Nadal 16
Federer 24
Djokovic 33
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This list shows dominance. It's nice to go in as the #1 favorite into a lot of slams. I think that is also puts some of their numbers into perspective. For example. where's Wilander? And unfortunately, guys like Agassi and McEnroe are a long ways from guys like Lendl and Connors in this metric. And that makes sense. Guys like Lendl and Connors made a ton of deep runs, which is why they blow out Mac and Agassi in the weeks at #1 metric.

Good stat.
 
Pheasant said:
This list shows dominance. It's nice to go in as the #1 favorite into a lot of slams. I think that is also puts some of their numbers into perspective. For example. where's Wilander? And unfortunately, guys like Agassi and McEnroe are a long ways from guys like Lendl and Connors in this metric. And that makes sense. Guys like Lendl and Connors made a ton of deep runs, which is why they blow out Mac and Agassi in the weeks at #1 metric.

Good stat.
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I was expecting Edberg to have more than 6 appearance as number 1 seed and McEnroe more than Borg as well.
 
This is what happens when you have too many finals featuring Norrie, Tsitsipas, Ruud, Rublev, Kyrgios, Berritini, etc. The Career Inflation Era in full force ladies and gentlemen
 
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nolefam_2024 said:
I was expecting Edberg to have more than 6 appearance as number 1 seed and McEnroe more than Borg as well.
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Unfortunately for Edberg, Lendl had 157 straight weeks at #1 and 235 out of 255; all during Edberg's peak. That same streak also messed over Wilander(only 20 weeks at #1 in his career) and Becker(only 13 weeks at #1).
 
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