Comparing Federer/Nadal/Djokovic's 3 Slam Win Seasons Sets/Won Loss

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Comparing Federer/Nadal/Djokovic's 3 Slam Win Seasons at the 3 Grand Slams They Won

Federer - 2004 - 60-7 sets win/loss
Federer - 2006 - 63-8 sets won/loss
Federer - 2007 60-5 sets won/loss
Nadal - 2010 63-6 sets won/loss
Djokovic - 2011 62-9 sets won/loss
Djokovic - 2015 63-9 sets won/loss
Djokovic - 2021 63-13 sets won/loss
 
Yeah, Novak has the tendency to play down to his opponents in the earlier rounds, which is what sinks his numbers a bit. Doesn’t make 2011 or 2015 any less outstanding.

2021, though, just straight up isn’t that impressive from a level standpoint even if you take the above into consideration. What is impressive is that he did that at age 34.
 
McEnroeisanartist said:
Comparing Federer/Nadal/Djokovic's 3 Slam Win Seasons at the 3 Grand Slams They Won

Federer - 2004 - 60-7 sets win/loss
Federer - 2006 - 63-8 sets won/loss
Federer - 2007 60-5 sets won/loss
Nadal - 2010 63-6 sets won/loss
Djokovic - 2011 62-9 sets won/loss
Djokovic - 2015 63-9 sets won/loss
Djokovic - 2021 63-13 sets won/loss
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Djokovic has stronger competition on average.
 
McEnroeisanartist said:
Comparing Federer/Nadal/Djokovic's 3 Slam Win Seasons at the 3 Grand Slams They Won

Federer - 2004 - 60-7 sets win/loss
Federer - 2006 - 63-8 sets won/loss
Federer - 2007 60-5 sets won/loss
Nadal - 2010 63-6 sets won/loss
Djokovic - 2011 62-9 sets won/loss
Djokovic - 2015 63-9 sets won/loss
Djokovic - 2021 63-13 sets won/loss
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Of course Nadal has the best winning percentage.
 
CCPass said:
Because stronger competition is harder to dominate. Logic 101.
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No, it's the fact that cumulative results don't always tell the whole story.

Djokovic is not as dominant, but his results in the aggregate are greater. It's the difference between being the greatest vs being the best.
 
Third Serve said:
Yeah, Novak has the tendency to play down to his opponents in the earlier rounds, which is what sinks his numbers a bit. Doesn’t make 2011 or 2015 any less outstanding.

2021, though, just straight up isn’t that impressive from a level standpoint even if you take the above into consideration. What is impressive is that he did that at age 34.
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He's reached impressive heights when necessary though. Nadal at FO and Medvedev at AO were probably his best matches of the year to date.
 
DRII said:
No, it's the fact that cumulative results don't always tell the whole story.

Djokovic is not as dominant, but his results in the aggregate are greater. It's the difference between being the greatest vs being the best.
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The higher number of sets lost the closer the competition the less domination - the only logical link behind the numbers cited in the OP.

Everything else is an opinion, and everyone and their mum can have one.
 
CCPass said:
The higher number of sets lost the closer the competition the less domination - the only logical link behind the numbers cited in the OP.

Everything else is an opinion, and everyone and their mum can have one.
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Ok, well 'closer the competition' by default means less dominant!

you are agreeing with me, whether you realize it or not, especially given that the timespans we're talking about are not that far apart!

Djokovic's 2011 is much heralded and is generally thought of as being greater than Nadal's 2010, but looking at the stat of sets lost by the ATG of each year, Nadal is ahead as his winning % is higher. Nadal was more dominant in 2010 than Djokovic was in 2011. Nadal's 2010 is statistically more dominant than any of Federer's or Djokovic's 3 slam years, but Federer and Djokovic had more 3 slam winning years than Nadal - although each has 20 slams.

Also, Nadal had basically another 3 slam year, but not calendar year from 2008 RG to 2009 Aussie Open.
 
DRII said:
Ok, well 'closer the competition' by default means less dominant!

you are agreeing with me, whether you realize it or not, especially given that the timespans we're talking about are not that far apart!

Djokovic's 2011 is much heralded and is generally thought of as being greater than Nadal's 2010, but looking at the stat of sets lost by the ATG of each year, Nadal is ahead as his winning % is higher. Nadal was more dominant in 2010 than Djokovic was in 2011. Nadal's 2010 is statistically more dominant than any of Federer's or Djokovic's 3 slam years, but Federer and Djokovic had more 3 slam winning years than Nadal - although each has 20 slams.

Also, Nadal had basically another 3 slam year, but not calendar year from 2008 RG to 2009 Aussie Open.
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Dominance is the flip side of “weak competition”, so you are agreeing with me here, Nero.
 
CCPass said:
Dominance is the flip side of “weak competition”, so you are agreeing with me here, Nero.
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Nope, you are incorrect, both were dominant - its just who was more dominant.

plus the time spans being compared are so close (2010 vs 2011), you really can't make a distinction in competition. Nothing changed drastically in 2011 from 2010 in terms of Nadal's and Djokovic's competition. Federer was about the same, he was the only one to beat Djokovic in 2011 at the slams. Nothing else happened in 2011 the drastically changed the competition between the two years.
 
DRII said:
Nope, you are incorrect, both were dominant - its just who was more dominant.

plus the time spans being compared are so close (2010 vs 2011), you really can't make a distinction in competition. Nothing changed drastically in 2011 from 2010 in terms of Nadal's and Djokovic's competition. Federer was about the same, he was the only one to beat Djokovic in 2011 at the slams. Nothing else happened in 2011 the drastically changed the competition between the two years.
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Have to disagree, Nero.
 
DRII said:
plus the time spans being compared are so close (2010 vs 2011), you really can't make a distinction in competition. Nothing changed drastically in 2011 from 2010 in terms of Nadal's and Djokovic's competition. Federer was about the same, he was the only one to beat Djokovic in 2011 at the slams. Nothing else happened in 2011 the drastically changed the competition between the two years.
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LOL

Federer was better at 3/4 slams in 2011 than in 2010.
 
DRII said:
How? And why?
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RG - Do I really have to explain myself here?
Wimbledon - Federer almost went out in the first round against Falla in 2010; he was terrible.
USO - Federer was surely better in 2011; was a point away from beating a red hot Djokovic in 5.

Can't believe I have to explain this.
 
Rago said:
RG - Do I really have to explain myself here?
Wimbledon - Federer almost went out in the first round against Falla in 2010; he was terrible.
USO - Federer was surely better in 2011; was a point away from beating a red hot Djokovic in 5.

Can't believe I have to explain this.
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You really didn't explain.

Federer actually won a slam in 2010. He made it to the quarters of Wimbledon and semis of the USOpen both years. So he did better in 2010 than in 2011.

So this great disparity you speak of seems entirely made up in your mind.
 
Players beaten in finals:

Federer
2004: Safin, Roddick, Hewitt
2006: Baghdatis, Nadal, Roddick
2007: Gonzalez, Nadal, Djokovic

Nadal:
2010: Soderling, Berdych, Djokovic

Djokovic
2011: Murray, Nadal, Nadal
2015: Murray, Federer, Federer
2021: Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Berrettini
 
duaneeo said:
Players beaten in finals:

Federer
2004: Safin, Roddick, Hewitt
2006: Baghdatis, Nadal, Roddick
2007: Gonzalez, Nadal, Djokovic

Nadal:
2010: Soderling, Berdych, Djokovic

Djokovic
2011: Murray, Nadal, Nadal
2015: Murray, Federer, Federer
2021: Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Berrettini
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Federer's 2007 is legit though, because both Nadal at the Wimbledon and Djokovic at the USO were ready to do something and were very dangerous already even at that point! Other years - not so much...Roddick and Hewitt and pretty much everyone else, other than Nadal all had mental block against Federer! But Djokodal were a big deal! But i think Djoker's 2011 is the toughest one!
 
Djokodalerer31 said:
Federer's 2007 is legit though, because both Nadal at the Wimbledon and Djokovic at the USO were ready to do something and were very dangerous already even at that point! Other years - not so much...Roddick and Hewitt and pretty much everyone else, other than Nadal all had mental block against Federer!
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Federer beat his top contemporaries in 2004. And, they didn't have a mental block against him. Roger was simply the better player.
He beat a top contemporary and two NextGens in 2006.
 
duaneeo said:
Federer beat his top contemporaries in 2004. And, they didn't have a mental block against him. Roger was simply the better player.
He beat a top contemporary and two NextGens in 2006.
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When someone loses more than 10 consecutive matches against you without ever turning the tables even once - then YES! It is called a mental block!...
 
Djokodalerer31 said:
When someone loses more than 10 consecutive matches against you without ever turning the tables even once - then YES! It is called a mental block!...
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Djokovic/Wawrinka (the physically better player consistently losing to the physically weaker player at the slams) is a mental block. Roddick/Federer was not.
 
duaneeo said:
Djokovic/Wawrinka (the physically better player consistently losing to the physically weaker player at the slams) is a mental block. Roddick/Federer was not.
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Djokovic v. Wawrinka h2h - 19-6 (4-4 at slams)
Federer v. Roddick h2h - 21-3 (8-0 at slams)
But please be my guest and keep tripping whatever meth you are on! LOL
 
McEnroeisanartist said:
Comparing Federer/Nadal/Djokovic's 3 Slam Win Seasons at the 3 Grand Slams They Won

Federer - 2004 - 60-7 sets win/loss
Federer - 2006 - 63-8 sets won/loss
Federer - 2007 60-5 sets won/loss
Nadal - 2010 63-6 sets won/loss
Djokovic - 2011 62-9 sets won/loss
Djokovic - 2015 63-9 sets won/loss
Djokovic - 2021 63-13 sets won/loss
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Federer and Nadal tried too hard to destroy their opponents, now they're injured and got nothing left in the tank at this stage of their career. Meanwhile Djokovic is cleaning up and winning every slam because he paced himself better and managed his career better.
 
DRII said:
You really didn't explain.

Federer actually won a slam in 2010. He made it to the quarters of Wimbledon and semis of the USOpen both years. So he did better in 2010 than in 2011.

So this great disparity you speak of seems entirely made up in your mind.
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I said 3/4 slams; anyone with half a brain cell knows that Federer played much better at both Wimbledon and US Open in 2011 compared to 2010.
 
DRII said:
No, it's the fact that cumulative results don't always tell the whole story.

Djokovic is not as dominant, but his results in the aggregate are greater. It's the difference between being the greatest vs being the best.
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it's true. it is not always the same thing but you can be both and nole is it! he has accomplished most of all and he has played the most dominant tennis. he is the only one who is better than any other player in history on 2 of 3 surfaces. he is the only one who has positive h2h against all relevant opponents. he has the highest ELO rating of all time. and last but not least he has the best ATP season of all time, 2015, and the most dominant year of all time, W2015-RG2016. during that year he has won 4 slams, WTF, 5 masters (+ played in a further 3 masters finals), 1 ATP500 and 1 ATP250 tournament and accumulated a superior record of 16950 ATP points! and both during the best season and the best year he had 31 TOP10 victories which is an absolute record!
 
CCPass said:
Because stronger competition is harder to dominate. Logic 101.
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Well which is it? You seem sure of the answer but your avenue here is to just say it lots of times. It will always come down to individual interpretation of performance however you slice it because it's a zero sum game.
 
CCPass said:
Because stronger competition is harder to dominate. Logic 101.
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logic 101 says when a tournament begins, after the final there will be a winner, and it doesn't matter if the contenders are strong or weak
logic 101 says when a season begins, at the end of the season there will be a YE#1, and it doesn't matter if the contenders are strong or weak
 
CCPass said:
The higher number of sets lost the closer the competition the less domination - the only logical link behind the numbers cited in the OP.
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The higher number of sets lost might mean as well lower level overall from the player who won, but the weak competition failed at taking him down, even when he was injured
lol
 
duaneeo said:
Players beaten in finals:

Federer
2004: former world #1 & GS winner, former world #1 & GS winner, former world #1 & GS winner
2006: dude from Djokodal generation, future GOAT contender, former world #1 & GS winner
2007: Gonzalez, future GOAT contender, future GOAT contender

Nadal:
2010: Soderling, Berdych, future GOAT contender

Djokovic
2011: Murray, future GOAT contender, future GOAT contender
2015: Murray, GOAT contender, GOAT contender
2021: Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Berrettini
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yeah, agree Nole had it easier in 2021 by a long mile
 
lucky13 said:
it's true. it is not always the same thing but you can be both and nole is it! he has accomplished most of all and he has played the most dominant tennis. he is the only one who is better than any other player in history on 2 of 3 surfaces. he is the only one who has positive h2h against all relevant opponents. he has the highest ELO rating of all time. and last but not least he has the best ATP season of all time, 2015, and the most dominant year of all time, W2015-RG2016. during that year he has won 4 slams, WTF, 5 masters (+ played in a further 3 masters finals), 1 ATP500 and 1 ATP250 tournament and accumulated a superior record of 16950 ATP points! and both during the best season and the best year he had 31 TOP10 victories which is an absolute record!
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Djokovic does not have a better record than Federer on grass or Nadal on clay, and he only has Federer by one slam on hardcourt.

Plus, Nadal has the winning h2h at the slams.

so, no...
 
DRII said:
Djokovic does not have a better record than Federer on grass or Nadal on clay, and he only has Federer by one slam on hardcourt.

Plus, Nadal has the winning h2h at the slams.

so, no...
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I wrote that nole has better results on at least 2 of 3 surfaces of all players. he has clearly better results than fed on HC and clay and by far better results than rafa on HC and grass! that's a fact. he has better h2h than rafa which is also a fact. their h2h at all is clay shewed but especially on slams. clay is only 25% on slams but they have played more than half of their slams matches in RG. 9/17 -> 53%. but only 2 times in AO -> 12% where nole has 2-0 vs rafa. their GS h2h on clay is 2-7, on HC it is 3-2 and on grass is 2-1.
 
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