Confused about pro staff classic models (6.0, 6.1, no Si number

crohawg

New User
So I have Pro staff classic 95 6.0 and 6.1 they are not the same racquets, and I am looking to buy another 6.0. They seem like 340 with strings, so about 310-315 unstrung. This racquet is perfect for me, but I cannot find any for sale. There are some that have identical paint job, but after prostaff classic on the side, it does not have anything. Mine says swing 6.0 index. Would the one without any number be the same as 6.0, 6.1 or somwthing else.

Thanks
 

crohawg

New User
I will post, as soon as I get them back from restringing.
So I think I am being confused with the SI meaning. On one racquet, lighter one, says PSC SWING INDEX 6.0...on the other, heavier one it says PSC 6.1 SI wich I think is stiffness index...so probably totally different racquets
 

lim

Professional
someone posted a thread about a pro staff classic 6.0 95 and I believe the consensus was it was a misprint or something along those lines. At least in terms of 6.0 referring to the 17mm box beam prostaff and 6.1 referring to the 22 mm round beam

I have the 2 versions below and IIRC

"6.1 classic si" were China made with black butt cap
"6.1 classic" were Taiwan made with white butt cap w/red w
 

tennistiger

Professional
I think its one of the first Pro Staffs after introducing the SI from late 1993 with 6.0 on it. In the 1994 Wilson Katalog (rackets available late 1993) there is a picture with the same racket but the text says 6.1! For sure they corrected this on the rackets produced after this first badge. So both are the same (despite quality issues), the 6.1 is a later model.
 
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Don't Let It Bounce

Hall of Fame
So I have 2 of 6.0 swing index (one is in the mail coming) but I saw something like this. What would be the difference?
The Pro Staff Classic was a very stiff frame with a 22mm straight beam and a color scheme featuring the red-yellow gradient in your photo, introduced in the early 90s as a "player's widebody" (in contrast to the Profile, Thunderstick, etc.). In the following year or two Wilson introduced its S.I. ("Stiffness Index," later rechristened "Swing Index") ratings across its lines and at first seems to have assigned 6.0 to the the PS Classic, again as in the photo you posted. These seem to be rare; I've seen only one in person. The PSC was quickly reassigned 6.1, maybe because Wilson had not yet given up on finding a way to capitalize on the Pro Staff Mid that Sampras, Courier, and Edberg still refused to give up, and the PSC wasn't converting enough the Mid users.

All three are the same frame with slightly different nomenclature.

And Wilson found a way. In the mid-90s they came out with the 'official' box-beam Pro Staff Classic 6.0 95. It had the thin beam (not 17 mm; more like 18 or 19) and the red and yellow pinstriping of its 85 sq inch decade-old parent. Touch-oriented S&Vers loved that frame, but I don't think it was a huge seller in what was still the widebody and Hammer era. Is that the 6.0 you mean in the O.P.?
 

crohawg

New User
Wow! Thank you for this info. The one with 6.0 on the yellow side is the one I have, and intend to play with. I got another one from ****, but the 6.0 swing index sticker is in the same spot as the 6.1 in the picture above. I hope it is the same type of racquet, but now after reading this, I am not so sure haha.

 

chrischris

G.O.A.T.
The Pro Staff Classic was a very stiff frame with a 22mm straight beam and a color scheme featuring the red-yellow gradient in your photo, introduced in the early 90s as a "player's widebody" (in contrast to the Profile, Thunderstick, etc.). In the following year or two Wilson introduced its S.I. ("Stiffness Index," later rechristened "Swing Index") ratings across its lines and at first seems to have assigned 6.0 to the the PS Classic, again as in the photo you posted. These seem to be rare; I've seen only one in person. The PSC was quickly reassigned 6.1, maybe because Wilson had not yet given up on finding a way to capitalize on the Pro Staff Mid that Sampras, Courier, and Edberg still refused to give up, and the PSC wasn't converting enough the Mid users.

All three are the same frame with slightly different nomenclature.

And Wilson found a way. In the mid-90s they came out with the 'official' box-beam Pro Staff Classic 6.0 95. It had the thin beam (not 17 mm; more like 18 or 19) and the red and yellow pinstriping of its 85 sq inch decade-old parent. Touch-oriented S&Vers loved that frame, but I don't think it was a huge seller in what was still the widebody and Hammer era. Is that the 6.0 you mean in the O.P.?

Was it 18/20?
 

forzmr_b

Rookie
Aaaaand it's a dud...340g unstrung...man
Leather grip? If yes, and based on your photo on post 11, seems like you got the PS 6.0 95 that was released in the early 90s just before the Pro Staff Classic 6.1 95. See this TW write-up, scroll down for the 95 review. The PS 6.0 95 and PSC 6.1 95 are different Pro Staff lineages and hence are different rackets with slightly different specs. PS 6.0 95 is a rec-player friendly variant of the 6.0 lineage (PS85, PS90, RF97), so it was a mid plus with a much lower swingweight and slightly thicker beam (19mm vs 17mm). On the other hand, PSC 6.1 95 marked the beginning of a new mid plus Pro Staff lineage that was for advanced players, so it had the same high sw in the PS85/PS90 but in a larger headsize and slightly thicker beam. Henceforth, for each Pro Staff layup variant (Hypercarbon, ncode, kfactor, BLX etc) there would be always be a 6.1 90 (6.0 lineage but for some reason Wilson decided to brand it a 6.1 as well which is one reason why there’s all this confusion) and a 6.1 95 both of which are advanced player frames, and occasionally they would also release a 6.0 95 rec friendly variant (Hypercarbon, BLX). Then when the PS90 was discontinued and the 6.0 lineage was rebranded as the RF97, the 6.1 95 was also discontinued (presumably to focus all advanced player sales to one player’s frame). Years later the 6.1 95 was brought back under the Wilson Pro Labs range and is now back on the consumer market.
 

forzmr_b

Rookie
Unbelievable I cannot even find it on wilson's site PSC
The PS 6.0 95 should be referenced in version 2 in the Wilson Pro Staff history you referenced, under “Pro Staff 6.0si”. But you can ignore the info in the caption as it describes the 4.5si and 5.5si pro staffs, not the 6.0.
 

forzmr_b

Rookie
Thanks. The paint is version 3 and weight is 344 strung. Can't find any of the same on ****. I bought one with the exact same 6.0 swing index sticker, and it came in 348g !!! unstrung version.

Right, then both are PSC 6.1 95 with your first racket having the 6.0 sticker misprint. As for the difference in static weight, it might be a case of Asian vs non-Asian variants. I know later Pro Staffs when they started printing specs on the throat had 320g unstrung variant for the Asian market while the original was 340g unstrung.

By the way 348g unstrung is pretty on spec for the 6.1 95 if yours has an overgrip. So if you prefer a lower weight, you’re probably better off looking for 6.0 95s and swapping their stock leather with synthetic grips to get to 340 strung range.
 
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Don't Let It Bounce

Hall of Fame
Was it 18/20?
I don't remember, but I just searched for a photo to count the strings and found only 16x18. It was a niche racket at the time—really just for the old holdouts who refused to use a widebody—so I'd be very surprised if they made more than one string pattern the way they (eventually) did for the 6.1.

Wilson_Pro_Staff_Original_6.0_95.jpg.71b024646140e750bfaa54d7bc63d321.jpg
 

tennistiger

Professional
German Tennisrevue tested both the 16/18 and 18/20 Pro Staff Classic (real measurements with sensors put on the testers arms!) with the result that the 16/18 is simply the better one! More comfort, feel and power!
That reason that Wilson changed to the 18/20 in 1994 was only the result of many broken strings.
 

chrischris

G.O.A.T.
German Tennisrevue tested both the 16/18 and 18/20 Pro Staff Classic (real measurements with sensors put on the testers arms!) with the result that the 16/18 is simply the better one! More comfort, feel and power!

Really?
What are the technical spec differences besides the string pattern??
 
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