Congrats to Djokovic on his amazing streak: he won one grand slam in a row!!

Amazing!!

Now he will go back to being the solid, unremarkable spiritual no. 3 and Nadal's whipping boy in grand slam matches. Hell, maybe even Feds whipping boy before Fed retires.

Let him try as hard as he wants in lower level tournaments including masters - we all know they have absolutely no bearing whatsoever on grand slam matches. And we all know that grand slams are ALL that counts in tennis.

Murray beats Fedal quite routinely in masters matches, but come grand slam time, the latter two just turn it up to a level he simply doesn't have and he gets spanked. Though Djokovic is infinitely better than Murray - he doesn't have that level either. Hence in slams he can only beat an age-crippled Fed and not even consistently.

I would be surprised if he ended his career with more than 2 slams.
 

Magnus

Legend
I was sure Murray spanked Nadal in some HC slams and Djokovic spanked Fed in some HC slams. Perhaps it was just my imagination.
 
what point am I missing?

Let's discount ALL non-grand slam matches entirely.

Djokovic has NEVER beaten Nadal in a slam and has ONLY managed to beat a Federer who is at the moment absolutely crippled by old age. And he doesn't even beat this old man all the time as evidenced by the FO.

People say that if Djokovic could get to a final with Nadal he'd win. Firstly, I dispute that: Djokovic would get his ass handed to him as he's never beaten Nadal in a slam before. Secondly, he may never even get that chance because of Federer who TWENTY NINE for godssakes, Djokovic should be routining him but at the moment can't even seem to deal with him.
 

blue steel

Rookie
sry u just dont know what you're talking about. murray is 2-0 against nadal in hardcourt slams. djokovic beat federer twice in a row at slams before losing to him at the french. both of them are better on hardcourts.
 

BULLZ1LLA

Banned
(Djokovic reminds me of Murray, except for the Australian Open success. Djokovic beat Federer at 3 slams [AO, AO, USO]. Murray beat Rafa at 2 slams [USO, AO]. Yet both have lost on the biggest occasions - Djokovic lost a chance to prove he could win outside of Australia. Murray lost to Rafa at Wimbledon. Djokovic is a better player in non-slams than in slams. Murray is a better player in non-slams than in slams. Opposite to Rafa/Federer, both of whom are better in slams)
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Cup8489

G.O.A.T.
(Djokovic reminds me of Murray, except for the Australian Open success. Djokovic beat Federer at 3 slams [AO, AO, USO]. Murray beat Rafa at 2 slams [USO, AO]. Yet both have lost on the biggest occasions - Djokovic lost a chance to prove he could win outside of Australia. Murray lost to Rafa at Wimbledon. Djokovic is a better player in non-slams than in slams. Murray is a better player in non-slams than in slams. Opposite to Rafa/Federer, both of whom are better in slams)
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Their games are pretty similar, relying on their defensive skills to enable them to choose the right moment to go offensive, both have extremely solid 2hbh, and shaky forehands..Both can play at net, both are 6'3"..

lol.
 
Their games are pretty similar, relying on their defensive skills to enable them to choose the right moment to go offensive, both have extremely solid 2hbh, and shaky forehands..Both can play at net, both are 6'3"..

lol.

Except Djokovic does everything about 10x better.
 

Manus Domini

Hall of Fame
Amazing!!

Now he will go back to being the solid, unremarkable spiritual no. 3 and Nadal's whipping boy in grand slam matches. Hell, maybe even Feds whipping boy before Fed retires.

Let him try as hard as he wants in lower level tournaments including masters - we all know they have absolutely no bearing whatsoever on grand slam matches. And we all know that grand slams are ALL that counts in tennis.

Murray beats Fedal quite routinely in masters matches, but come grand slam time, the latter two just turn it up to a level he simply doesn't have and he gets spanked. Though Djokovic is infinitely better than Murray - he doesn't have that level either. Hence in slams he can only beat an age-crippled Fed and not even consistently.

I would be surprised if he ended his career with more than 2 slams.

oh geez. Another Fed/******* really perturbed by Djokovic's possible impact on his boy's legacy...

First off, slams are telling factors of success, but they aren't the only tournaments out there. If they were, why would top players care about MS 1000s?

Secondly, Federer is not "age-crippled". Is he worse due to age? Yes. Is he crippled? Not until I see him in a wheelchair would I call him crippled.

And yes, Nole is 0-5 against Rafa in slams. But don't forget that he is 0-1 on HC slams, and that was before his serve was fixed and he became the human weapon he is now. Everyone loses to Nadal at RG (Nole is 0-3 against Rafa there), Nole isn't a grass court player (Nole is 0-1 against Nadal at WC). But the last four meetings between Djoker and Nadal went Djokovic's way, even straight setting Nadal on clay.

It is naive to say that no tourneys count aside from slams.
 

Manus Domini

Hall of Fame
what point am I missing?

Let's discount ALL non-grand slam matches entirely.

Djokovic has NEVER beaten Nadal in a slam and has ONLY managed to beat a Federer who is at the moment absolutely crippled by old age. And he doesn't even beat this old man all the time as evidenced by the FO.

And Federer only beat Nadal at a slam twice. Both were near his prime. I guess nowadays, Nadal is invincible at slams?

People say that if Djokovic could get to a final with Nadal he'd win. Firstly, I dispute that: Djokovic would get his ass handed to him as he's never beaten Nadal in a slam before. Secondly, he may never even get that chance because of Federer who TWENTY NINE for godssakes, Djokovic should be routining him but at the moment can't even seem to deal with him.

Well, Del Potro was 0-3 against Federer at slams before USO 2009. According to your logic, Federer couldn't have lost because JMDP never beat him at a slam before...
 
I agree,it's one of the most amazing streaks I've ever seen.Dominating peak Nadal in such a fashion is just off the charts.

Winning one slam in a row puts him up there with the likes of Gaudio.

And he's only dominated Nadal outside of slams so that doesn't count in any way. 5 set tennis is a completely different sport. I guarantee if the two met in FO final, he would be routined in straight sets.

Well, if he even makes the Wimby final (which is a big IF yet really shouldn't be as Federer is so old) we'll see him get routined there as well.

It speaks volumes of Djokovic's so called new level that he's not even reliably able to blast away an elderly Federer in all slams. The guy is TWENTY NINE - he's practically in a zimmer-frame yet beat Djokovic in the last slam??
 

Tammo

Banned
sry u just dont know what you're talking about. murray is 2-0 against nadal in hardcourt slams. djokovic beat federer twice in a row at slams before losing to him at the french. both of them are better on hardcourts.

WHAT??????:shock::shock:, obviously you don't know your tennis.
 
No, it is naive to suggest that results outside of slams mean anything. Hence people get so worked up about hype-jobs such as Raonic and so-on then of course he is routined on the occasions where it actually matters and the players that actually matter step up their games.

And Federer only beat Nadal at a slam twice. Both were near his prime. I guess nowadays, Nadal is invincible at slams?

YES, believe me I am no Nadal fan, but he is completely invincible at every slam nowadays - and it WOULD be the biggest sporting upset of all time if he didn't win every slam until about 2014.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
puts him up there with the likes of Gaudio.

I wouldn't go that far,even though he was close in the 1st of Madrid Novak hasn't bageled Nadal on clay yet like Gaudio did in his day.Who knows though,we could see many more matches in the future between peak Novak and peak Nadal so it isn't out of the question that Nadal eats a bagel or a breadstick.
 

BULLZ1LLA

Banned
oh geez. Another Fed/******* really perturbed by Djokovic's possible impact on his boy's legacy...

First off, slams are telling factors of success, but they aren't the only tournaments out there. If they were, why would top players care about MS 1000s?

Secondly, Federer is not "age-crippled". Is he worse due to age? Yes. Is he crippled? Not until I see him in a wheelchair would I call him crippled.

And yes, Nole is 0-5 against Rafa in slams. But don't forget that he is 0-1 on HC slams, and that was before his serve was fixed and he became the human weapon he is now.

(Human weapon can't beat a 29-year-old tennis player on the 29-year-old's worst surface? Crappy human weapon I must say)
 

Manus Domini

Hall of Fame
Winning one slam in a row puts him up there with the likes of Gaudio.

I guess Nadal was just as poor a player between 2005 and 2007. I mean, he only won the French Open for those 3 years.

And he's only dominated Nadal outside of slams so that doesn't count in any way. 5 set tennis is a completely different sport. I guarantee if the two met in FO final, he would be routined in straight sets.

If they don't count, why doesn't Nadal just first round them and save his body?

Well, if he even makes the Wimby final (which is a big IF yet really shouldn't be as Federer is so old) we'll see him get routined there as well.

Right. The slam he's worst at, he has to get to the final if he wants to be considered a half-rate player. :roll:

It speaks volumes of Djokovic's so called new level that he's not even reliably able to blast away an elderly Federer in all slams.

Federer is 29, he's not a senile old man...

The guy is TWENTY NINE - he's practically in a zimmer-frame yet beat Djokovic in the last slam??

And he took Nadal to 4 sets on clay, almost won the first set. Is Nadal that bad too?
 

Manus Domini

Hall of Fame
No, it is naive to suggest that results outside of slams mean anything. Hence people get so worked up about hype-jobs such as Raonic and so-on then of course he is routined on the occasions where it actually matters and the players that actually matter step up their games.

Pray tell, why does Nadal take on so many outside tourneys if they don't matter?

YES, believe me I am no Nadal fan, but he is completely invincible at every slam nowadays - and it WOULD be the biggest sporting upset of all time if he didn't win every slam until about 2014.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

That's exactly why Nadal lost to Ferrer at the Australian Open, because he's invincible? That's risible
 

BULLZ1LLA

Banned
Considering it's not Djokovic's favorite surface...

(Clay is Djokovic's 2nd favorite surface, and Federer's worst surface.

In fact, Djokovic needed a 3rd set tie-breaker to beat Rafa in Miami, and Djokovic lost the 1st set at Indian Wells to Rafa. Yet Djokovic beat Rafa in straight sets twice on clay this year)
 

Manus Domini

Hall of Fame
(Clay is Djokovic's 2nd favorite surface, and Federer's worst surface.

In fact, Djokovic needed a 3rd set tie-breaker to beat Rafa in Miami, and Djokovic lost the 1st set at Indian Wells to Rafa. Yet Djokovic beat Rafa in straight sets twice on clay this year)

And Federer had an amazing day. Don't forget, he almost got 2 sets of Rafa this year at RG
 

BULLZ1LLA

Banned
And Federer had an amazing day. Don't forget, he almost got 2 sets of Rafa this year at RG

(That's normal, look at their other meetings at RG. Only 2008 was straight sets, plus Federer has beaten Rafa in the past on clay anyway. Federer is a great claycourt player, and he played better in this RG than perhaps all others that he played in the past. How about 2006 especially, Rafa needed to win a 4th set tie-breaker, and Federer breadsticked Rafa in the 1st set)
 
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Macro80

Rookie
Lol another OP aged between 12 and 14,look at the rather rudimentary use of logic and disregard for basic grammar. Why do you guys rise to jerks like this? He's probably not even shaving yet.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
It speaks volumes of Djokovic's so called new level that he's not even reliably able to blast away an elderly Federer in all slams. The guy is TWENTY NINE - he's practically in a zimmer-frame yet beat Djokovic in the last slam??

Lol..how old are you? Sixteen? Twenty-nine may be a bit mature for the average tennis player on tour these days,but it hardly makes him an 'old man on a zimmer'.Federer is still amazingly fit,if a little slower,and can still mix it with the best.That's why he is a solid no.3 and still has ambitions to get back to no.1.You talk as if he's ninety-nine,not twenty-nine!

YES, believe me I am no Nadal fan, but he is completely invincible at every slam nowadays - and it WOULD be the biggest sporting upset of all time if he didn't win every slam until about 2014.

It looks like you're going to be easily upset! He didn't even win every slam THIS year,nor LAST year (when he was playing even better) so what makes you think he's going to win every one from now until 2014 or do you think he's going to be even better by the time he's an 'old man of TWENTY-EIGHT' than he has been so far?
 

Manus Domini

Hall of Fame
Federer is a great claycourt player, and he played better in this RG than perhaps all others that he played in the past./QUOTE]

Didn't you say before that Djokovic should have beaten Fed because RG is Fed's worst surface?

Yet, here you are claiming Fed played his best RG ever.
 
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TheMagicianOfPrecision

Guest
(Clay is Djokovic's 2nd favorite surface, and Federer's worst surface.

In fact, Djokovic needed a 3rd set tie-breaker to beat Rafa in Miami, and Djokovic lost the 1st set at Indian Wells to Rafa. Yet Djokovic beat Rafa in straight sets twice on clay this year)

Are you actually defending the great man from Switzerland or just thrashing Djokovic?
 

8PAQ

Banned
Amazing!!

Now he will go back to being the solid, unremarkable spiritual no. 3 and Nadal's whipping boy in grand slam matches. Hell, maybe even Feds whipping boy before Fed retires.

Let him try as hard as he wants in lower level tournaments including masters - we all know they have absolutely no bearing whatsoever on grand slam matches. And we all know that grand slams are ALL that counts in tennis.

Murray beats Fedal quite routinely in masters matches, but come grand slam time, the latter two just turn it up to a level he simply doesn't have and he gets spanked. Though Djokovic is infinitely better than Murray - he doesn't have that level either. Hence in slams he can only beat an age-crippled Fed and not even consistently.

I would be surprised if he ended his career with more than 2 slams.

Nadal is 0-4 against the King. Would have been 0-5 if the GOAT didn't stop the King in the FO semi.
 

8PAQ

Banned
Lol another OP aged between 12 and 14,look at the rather rudimentary use of logic and disregard for basic grammar. Why do you guys rise to jerks like this? He's probably not even shaving yet.

At least he is not putting every post in () like tool or keep posting pictures of aging overweight ugly actors from India.
 
Nadal is 0-4 against the King. Would have been 0-5 if the GOAT didn't stop the King in the FO semi.

I thought Djokovic was 0-5 against Nadal in SLAMS ie. the only matches that matter.

I'm not remotely a Nadal fan - just a realistic tennis fan.

And realistically, to suggest that Nadal will not win this years Wimby, and this years US Open, and every slam for the next couple years at least is just clutching at straws.
 

Manus Domini

Hall of Fame
(Great man? You mean great tennis player. And he is a great tennis player, only the 3rd player ever to make 5 Roland Garros Finals)

Ok, hold on. I'm confused.

First you say Djokovic should've thrashed Fed at RG because it's Fed's worst surface.

Then you claim that Fed played better this year than ever at RG

Then you claim Fed is one of the best CCers of all time.

what kinda logic is that?
 
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TheMagicianOfPrecision

Guest
Stop the Djokovic bashing already!! He ***** Nadal 4 times in a row and made Nadal look like a droopy-eyed armless child.
If Novak plays Nadal in Wimby, i would bet my money on Novak-lots of money!
 

Manus Domini

Hall of Fame
I thought Djokovic was 0-5 against Nadal in SLAMS ie. the only matches that matter.

If they are all that matter, then Rosewall's the undeniable GOAT...

I'm not remotely a Nadal fan - just a realistic tennis fan.

Just because you don't have tennis channel doesn't mean you should cry over missing other important matches.

Remember, some of the matches called "the greatest ever" were played outside of slams. 1937 Davis Cup (imagine that, a Davis Cup match is one of history's finest!) for example. I doubt anyone would say that match didn't matter, when Hitler practically threatened his player's life.

And realistically, to suggest that Nadal will not win this years Wimby, and this years US Open, and every slam for the next couple years at least is just clutching at straws.

You're a loon. Nadal won't win this year's USO. Donald Young will.
 
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TheMagicianOfPrecision

Guest
(Great man? You mean great tennis player. And he is a great tennis player, only the 3rd player ever to make 5 Roland Garros Finals)

And the ONLY one with 5 or MORE finals in EVERY GS, impressive huh?
 

jmverdugo

Hall of Fame
what point am I missing?

Let's discount ALL non-grand slam matches entirely.

Djokovic has NEVER beaten Nadal in a slam and has ONLY managed to beat a Federer who is at the moment absolutely crippled by old age. And he doesn't even beat this old man all the time as evidenced by the FO.

People say that if Djokovic could get to a final with Nadal he'd win. Firstly, I dispute that: Djokovic would get his ass handed to him as he's never beaten Nadal in a slam before. Secondly, he may never even get that chance because of Federer who TWENTY NINE for godssakes, Djokovic should be routining him but at the moment can't even seem to deal with him.

Sorry, I was trying to point out that the thread is pointless... :)
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
At least he is not putting every post in () like tool or keep posting pictures of aging overweight ugly actors from India.
haha, ksbh getting lotsa attention ! I believe the more people protest, the more he will post. ksbh himself is aging and overweight (and most likely ugly too :D )
 

Fedex

Legend
Amazing!!

Now he will go back to being the solid, unremarkable spiritual no. 3 and Nadal's whipping boy in grand slam matches. Hell, maybe even Feds whipping boy before Fed retires.

Let him try as hard as he wants in lower level tournaments including masters - we all know they have absolutely no bearing whatsoever on grand slam matches. And we all know that grand slams are ALL that counts in tennis.

Murray beats Fedal quite routinely in masters matches, but come grand slam time, the latter two just turn it up to a level he simply doesn't have and he gets spanked. Though Djokovic is infinitely better than Murray - he doesn't have that level either. Hence in slams he can only beat an age-crippled Fed and not even consistently.

I would be surprised if he ended his career with more than 2 slams.

what point am I missing?

Let's discount ALL non-grand slam matches entirely.

Djokovic has NEVER beaten Nadal in a slam and has ONLY managed to beat a Federer who is at the moment absolutely crippled by old age. And he doesn't even beat this old man all the time as evidenced by the FO.

People say that if Djokovic could get to a final with Nadal he'd win. Firstly, I dispute that: Djokovic would get his ass handed to him as he's never beaten Nadal in a slam before. Secondly, he may never even get that chance because of Federer who TWENTY NINE for godssakes, Djokovic should be routining him but at the moment can't even seem to deal with him.

You are funny. Really really funny.
Keep me laughing. Thanks for the entertainment.
 
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