Congratulations to Cakedrawvic, 2019 USO Champion

OhYes

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When is the last time Cilic was competitive against Djokovic at a slam? What was their last score at the USO?
In 2018 Djokovic lost in Queens final from him, at Cincy he won 2-1.
If you already asking about 2015 US Open match: During a on-court interview with ESPN, Djokovic says Cilic was clearly hampered by injury. He applauds his opponent for finishing the match rather that retiring.
 

ForumMember

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Just FYI.. of last three matches played between them, Cilic jas won 2..

Just trying to convince myself that Djokovic might be beaten before F.. but truth remains FjokoDjo has a walk draw..
 

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My mistake- I wasn't clear. JMDP 2017 is the rough equivalent to JMDP/Nadal 2018, who Djokovic will meet in the final. In my humble opinion, Kevin Anderson isn't as good as Cilic or Nishikori, so Djoker 2018 SF onwards is harder than Nadal 2017.

As for before the SF, Djokovic met one seeded player- Gasquet. This did not occur for Nadal, who even met Leo Mayer, a lucky loser.

Makes sense if you look at the rankings of the players they beat:
Djokovic: 41, 61, 25, 68, 55, 19 or 7, 3 or 1.
Nadal: 85, 121, 59, 64, 53, 28, 32.

Even if you remove the SF onward, Djokovic's draw is clearly harder. Just look at the numbers.
Gasquet would go in depression if he comes to know that he was expected to be tough competition to big 3..
 

Northern

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In 2018 Djokovic lost in Queens final from him, at Cincy he won 2-1.
If you already asking about 2015 US Open match: During a on-court interview with ESPN, Djokovic says Cilic was clearly hampered by injury. He applauds his opponent for finishing the match rather that retiring.
H2H?
 

OhYes

Legend
What H2H ? Overall ?
Do you really think it is written in stone if someone has won majority of matches that he will keep winning JUST BCS he has good H2H before ? How did Djokovic caught Federer and Nadal while he was trailing them ? Should Cilic retire his match bcs he has bad H2H ? Should I stop believing in Djokovic against Kyrgios bcs he has bad H2H against him ? Have you heard of current form and specific situations on given day ?
 

ChaelAZ

Legend
Djokovic easy win guaranteed
I have been more impressed with Del Po than any other player in this year's USO. He has been a power house and looks excellent on both offense and defense, which is a bit different for him. Personally I think he can take it to Nadal who will be feeling the effects of the Thiem battle, and I think Del Po can take the USO overall.

My dark horse Kei is still a factor though. God do I love watching his movement and ball striking.
 

Northern

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What H2H ? Overall ?
Do you really think it is written in stone if someone has won majority of matches that he will keep winning JUST BCS he has good H2H before ? How did Djokovic caught Federer and Nadal while he was trailing them ? Should Cilic retire his match bcs he has bad H2H ? Should I stop believing in Djokovic against Kyrgios bcs he has bad H2H against him ? Have you heard of current form and specific situations on given day ?
No, not on stone. When you analyse things you usually do it on paper, it takes less time that way.
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
Its not our fault that we like the guy born in same country as we do, as a matter of fact most of fans are nationality driven. Sorry for you not knowing that.
And its not Novaks fault that players who actually have won GS are "cakewalk" for him.
Federer had Millman and he blew it. Nadal had "cakewalk" draw and he has gone to 5th tiebraker.
So pls spare us from your BS just bcs you got up this morning on your wrong foot.
oh, I know its nationality driven for many of Djoko's fans!
its about time one of you admitted it! thanks for that.

second, Nadal's draw was anything but cakewalk! Hach, Bash, and Thiem played great tennis, unlike any of Djokovic's opponents!

get it straight.
 

OhYes

Legend
oh, I know its nationality driven for many of Djoko's fans!
its about time one of you admitted it! thanks for that.

second, Nadal's draw was anything but cakewalk! Hach, Bash, and Thiem played great tennis, unlike any of Djokovic's opponents!

get it straight.
So you are still acting totally missinformed or without any clue ? Do you want me to spell it with bigger letters for you - MAJORITY FANS OF ANY PLAYER ARE NATIONALITY DRIVEN.
Now, if you accept it as a fact, you can put that pointing finger somewhere else, up your ass maybe I don't care.
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
So you are still acting totally missinformed or without any clue ? Do you want me to spell it with bigger letters for you - MAJORITY FANS OF ANY PLAYER ARE NATIONALITY DRIVEN.
Now, if you accept it as a fact, you can put that pointing finger somewhere else, up your ass maybe I don't care.
LOL...

that's just not true, especially for Federer and Nadal on this forum.

of all the ATGs, only Djokovic has a majority (or close to it) following full of fans that share his heritage or culture (or part of it).

Nadal is my guy, and I ain't Spanish!

again, get it straight.
 
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OhYes

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LOL...

that's just not true, especially for Federer and Nadal on this forum.

of all the ATGs, only Djokovic has a majority (or close to it) following full of fans that share his heritage or culture (or part of it).

Nadal is my guy, and I ain't Spanish!

again, get it straight.
Considering Fed and Nadal, is it really hard to imagine that tennis fan that don't have great player to root for from their own country, would choose to root for 2 most succesful players of open era ? And, do you really believe that Swiss or Spaniards are rooting for anyone but Fed or Nadal in 95 % of cases ?
 
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LOL...

that's just not true, especially for Federer and Nadal on this forum.

of all the ATGs, only Djokovic has a majority (or close to it) following full of fans that share his heritage or culture (or part of it).

Nadal is my guy, and I ain't Spanish!

again, get it straight.
Djokovic has a massive following in Asia. That vastly outnumbers those from his country.
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
Considering Fed and Nadal, is it really hard to imagine that tennis fan that don't have great player to root for from their own country, would choose to root for 2 most succesful players of open era ? And, do you really believe that Swiss or Spaniards are rooting for anyone but Fed or Nadal in 95 % of cases ?
I was speaking of fans on this forum...
 

OhYes

Legend
I was speaking of fans on this forum...
I was speaking about TTW, fans on stands, fans at homes by TV, fans anywhere - accept it. Ask yourself how many Bulgarians were here preparing for Dimitrov to do something great, they waited and waited and they stayed with Nadal or Federer. How many Brits are here that root for Murray, Croats that root for Cilic, Argentinians that root for Delpo, Austrians that root for Thiem, Australians that would root for Kyrgios and Tomic but they end up been ashamed for them, even Serbs that are ashamed to declare themselves as Serbs just bcs of pricks like you who invented term - Nationalistic fan. You are obviously bad in sociology/psychology, or you just won't accept the fact you are wrong.
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
I was speaking about TTW, fans on stands, fans at homes by TV, fans anywhere - accept it. Ask yourself how many Bulgarians were here preparing for Dimitrov to do something great, they waited and waited and they stayed with Nadal or Federer. How many Brits are here that root for Murray, Croats that root for Cilic, Argentinians that root for Delpo, Austrians that root for Thiem, Australians that would root for Kyrgios and Tomic but they end up been ashamed for them, even Serbs that are ashamed to declare themselves as Serbs just bcs of pricks like you who invented term - Nationalistic fan. You are obviously bad in sociology/psychology, or you just won't accept the fact you are wrong.
LISTEN @##@!

you and I were talking about different things, as I have just explained to you! so stop being dense and learn something!

most of Djokovic's most ardent fans on this forum share his heritage or culture broadly speaking. that is not the case with Nadal or Federer.

as far as outside of this forum, as Hitman (probably Djokovic's best fan here, certainly far better than you) posted; Djokovic has a very big fan following as any ATG should. for you to think that most of his fans (in the whole world) are because of nationalism is quite offensive IMO to a player like Djokovic. he is one of the best ever to play the game, his fandom extends beyond nationalism.

so basically, you're just wrong on both counts and in the process you are denigrating your favorite player!

I suggest you try a little harder to be a good little fanboi in the future and actually think about what you're saying!
 

OhYes

Legend
LISTEN @##@!

you and I were talking about different things, as I have just explained to you! so stop being dense and learn something!

most of Djokovic's most ardent fans on this forum share his heritage or culture broadly speaking. that is not the case with Nadal or Federer.

as far as outside of this forum, as Hitman (probably Djokovic's best fan here, certainly far better than you) posted; Djokovic has a very big fan following as any ATG should. for you to think that most of his fans (in the whole world) are because of nationalism is quite offensive IMO to a player like Djokovic. he is one of the best ever to play the game, his fandom extends beyond nationalism.

so basically, you're just wrong on both counts and in the process you are denigrating your favorite player!

I suggest you try a little harder to be a good little fanboi in the future and actually think about what you're saying!
So you will twist things to look better right ? :D Now it's just TTW, ATGs...
Who the hell is ATG in current time beside Big 3 ??? Even so, Nadal has abundance of Spaniards here, most of them I have seen before Nadal had slump, but they are still here.
Again, I say you don't know nothing about people who root for certain player here or anywhere else. People from Spain and Serbia probably from Switzerland too, are here in numbers, and there is nothing bad that they root for their countryman.
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
So you will twist things to look better right ? :D Now it's just TTW, ATGs...
Who the hell is ATG in current time beside Big 3 ??? Even so, Nadal has abundance of Spaniards here, most of them I have seen before Nadal had slump, but they are still here.
Again, I say you don't know nothing about people who root for certain player here or anywhere else. People from Spain and Serbia probably from Switzerland too, are here in numbers, and there is nothing bad that they root for their countryman.
you're simply wrong.
 

NoleFam

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I was speaking about TTW.
I'm American and so is Hitman even if he lives in another country now. swordtennis, 125downthemiddle, TripleATeam, maupp, etc. are all American. I'm as far from Serbian as anyone can be so I don't know what makes you think that.
 
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DRII

G.O.A.T.
I'm American and so is Hitman even if he lives in another country now. swordtennis, TripleATeam, maupp, etc. are all American. I'm as far from Serbian as anyone can be so I don't know what makes you think that.
DISCERN AND TRY AND UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NATIONALITY, HERITAGE, AND CULTURE.

caps unintended...
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
DISCERN AND TRY AND UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NATIONALITY, HERITAGE, AND CULTURE.

caps unintended...
Why are you yelling? You said Djoko fans were nationality driven not culture driven. You still would be wrong by the way since some of us on here do not have Serbian heritage.
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
Why are you yelling? You said Djoko fans were nationality driven not culture driven. You still would be wrong by the way since some of us on here do not have Serbian heritage.
Nolefam, don't start with me. did you not see 'caps unintended''???

I don't feel like having some long winded debate with you, especially because you tend to be over sensitive about so much.

I specifically mentioned culture and heritage, so don't try it.

if you disagree with my assessment, then that's your business, but I know what I see on this forum.

many of Djokovic's most ardent fans share a cultural/heritage/nationality connection with him! much more so than is the case with Federer or Nadal.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Nolefam, don't start with me. did you not see 'caps unintended''???

I don't feel like having some long winded debate with you, especially because you tend to be over sensitive about so much.

I specifically mentioned culture and heritage, so don't try it.

if you disagree with my assessment, then that's your business, but I know what I see on this forum.

many of Djokovic's most ardent fans share a cultural/heritage/nationality connection with him! much more so than is the case with Federer or Nadal.
Then edit it. Lol. Nobody likes reading all caps because it's rude af.

We don't have to debate but I'm just pointing out that you are incorrect about most of his fans on here being of Serbian heritage. I know me, Hitman and some others are not. It's not a surprise that he does have Serbian fans on here since it's a small country and he's probably the biggest sports star there. I'm sure there are quite a few Spanish Nadal fans on here as well.
 

Northern

Hall of Fame
What H2H ? Overall ?
Do you really think it is written in stone if someone has won majority of matches that he will keep winning JUST BCS he has good H2H before ? How did Djokovic caught Federer and Nadal while he was trailing them ? Should Cilic retire his match bcs he has bad H2H ? Should I stop believing in Djokovic against Kyrgios bcs he has bad H2H against him ? Have you heard of current form and specific situations on given day ?
This conversations is moot, since now it seems that Djokovic draw got even cakier (Nishikori making a surprise appearance.) :)
 

Northern

Hall of Fame
Why are you yelling? You said Djoko fans were nationality driven not culture driven. You still would be wrong by the way since some of us on here do not have Serbian heritage.
I have to say that Djokovic has even been very positive about Croatians. I read he posted something online encouraging the Croatian World Cup team, but that many people in Serbia were upset because of that. Is his mom Croatian?
 

OhYes

Legend
I have to say that Djokovic has even been very positive about Croatians. I read he posted something online encouraging the Croatian World Cup team, but that many people in Serbia were upset because of that. Is his mom Croatian?
Who is Novak's pigeon now, Nishikori or Cilic ? o_O
 

OhYes

Legend
How does this answer my question about Djoker's appreciation for Croatian people?
Aha.... ok, so it might have some impact that Novak's mother is Croatian who lived in Belgrade since her birth, but Novak is generally in great relationship with sport people around former Yugoslavia.
Why ? Because there is no language barrier and people respect each other and are more connected through sport. Talking about that, I think there are no sport related people from Serbia and Croatia that are bad to each other. Only politicians and their puppets are, but that is whole other subject.
 

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oh, I know its nationality driven for many of Djoko's fans!
its about time one of you admitted it! thanks for that.

second, Nadal's draw was anything but cakewalk! Hach, Bash, and Thiem played great tennis, unlike any of Djokovic's opponents!

get it straight.
To correct ur point correcting him... just for Djoker it’s not even in the ballpark of a majority of Djoker fans on here. Just go down the list of the Djoker Fan posters on here. There are very few, of any, Serbians
 
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No Federer quarter final, no Cilic semi final.

He still has to beat Federer's conqueror though who has nothing to lose, and then the guy who beat him in the exact same stage four years ago. I am sure he prefers the second option, but he also needs to make sure then he does not get complacent.
 
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That's cool! How long did it take you to adjust to living in another country? Do you miss anything about the American lifestyle?
I do a lot of travelling, I have been blessed enough to see most of the world, funnily enough like a tennis player does, although not quite to the same extent. I travelled a lot around the US, stayed in Florida and Louisiana among a few places, always wanted to move out of California and see the world. I moved to Czech Republic in 2010, then stayed in several places in Europe, after travelling to Ukraine to meet long distance relatives, I decided to settle down and started working as a personal trainer in Kiev. I adapt very quickly, and I speak Russian, so it wasn't so hard.

I go back to States when I can, my family are from Anaheim. I do miss things, but mainly it is when I think back to my childhood. But I am happy where I am now, and see this as my home for the foreseeable future.
 

Northern

Hall of Fame
Aha.... ok, so it might have some impact that Novak's mother is Croatian who lived in Belgrade since her birth, but Novak is generally in great relationship with sport people around former Yugoslavia.
Why ? Because there is no language barrier and people respect each other and are more connected through sport. Talking about that, I think there are no sport related people from Serbia and Croatia that are bad to each other. Only politicians and their puppets are, but that is whole other subject.
Thank you for explaining this. It's always the puppetician's fault.
 
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Djokovic has millions and millions of fans. He has less than Nadal and Federer but Serbia is also a smaller country than Spain or Switzerland. Spain especially. I noticed Federer also draws in many German fans.

As a percentage of total Djokovic fans, those who live in or are of Serbian heritage would be much less than half, in real life or on this forum. I am not even a tiny bit Serbian :)

Not that there is anything wrong about rooting for a countryman. I think maybe because of Serbia's history and lack of tradition in non team sports, those who do cheer for him might be more enthusiastic than from other countries?? I don't know how much more enthusiastic you can get than some Swiss and Spanish tennis fans though...

It is unfair and untrue to think Djokovic's fans only like him for ethnic or nationalistic reasons.
 

Northern

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I do a lot of travelling, I have been blessed enough to see most of the world, funnily enough like a tennis player does, although not quite to the same extent. I travelled a lot around the US, stayed in Florida and Louisiana among a few places, always wanted to move out of California and see the world. I moved to Czech Republic in 2010, then stayed in several places in Europe, after travelling to Ukraine to meet long distance relatives, I decided to settle down and started working as a personal trainer in Kiev. I adapt very quickly, and I speak Russian, so it wasn't so hard.

I go back to States when I can, my family are from Anaheim. I do miss things, but mainly it is when I think back to my childhood. But I am happy where I am now, and see this as my home for the foreseeable future.
Did you learn Russian as a child? A friend of mine tried to teach me Russian for the past few months but she is failing miserably. XAXAXAXAXA
 
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Did you learn Russian as a child? A friend of mine tried to teach me Russian for the past few months but she is failing miserably. XAXAXAXAXA
My maternal grandmother died before I was born, she died of Stomach cancer. I never knew her. I started learning the language in a way to connect to her when I was young, languages come easy to me for some reason, I can flip between three or four in the same conversation. Russian is a rhyming language, all the words rhyme, it is as if you are saying a poem. I know it can be difficult, but once you start to understand that rhyme, you can easily predict what words are coming next and then it becomes easy. I read it very well, the Slavic letters, but I don't enjoy writing it as much.
 

Bike Man

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So you are still acting totally missinformed or without any clue ? Do you want me to spell it with bigger letters for you - MAJORITY FANS OF ANY PLAYER ARE NATIONALITY DRIVEN.
Now, if you accept it as a fact, you can put that pointing finger somewhere else, up your ass maybe I don't care.
Well, realize man often bits dog, meaning there are certainly exceptions to all rules (and in this case, definitely not a rule). Djokovic and Nishikori are - by far - my favorite players, and I'm a So Cal native without a drop of Serbian or Japanese blood. My guess is an overwhelming percentage of Fed fans are not from Switzerland. Additionally, most of my least favorite current and former players (Isner, S.Williams, Roddick, Connors) are American. Go figure :)
 
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