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Northern

Hall of Fame
My maternal grandmother died before I was born, she died of Stomach cancer. I never knew her. I started learning the language in a way to connect to her when I was young, languages come easy to me for some reason, I can flip between three or four in the same conversation. Russian is a rhyming language, all the words rhyme, it is as if you are saying a poem. I know it can be difficult, but once you start to understand that rhyme, you can easily predict what words are coming next and then it becomes easy. I read it very well, the Slavic letters, but I don't enjoy writing it as much.
It's amazing that you have the ability to learn that quick, and be able to adapt to live in a country so different like that. Good for you.
 

OhYes

Legend
Well, realize man often bits dog, meaning there are certainly exceptions to all rules (and in this case, definitely not a rule). Djokovic and Nishikori are - by far - my favorite players, and I'm a So Cal native without a drop of Serbian or Japanese blood. My guess is an overwhelming percentage of Fed fans are not from Switzerland. Additionally, most of my least favorite current and former players (Isner, S.Williams, Roddick, Connors) are American. Go figure :)
Ok, you can multiply yourself ? I didn't understand how your case proves anything at all.
 

Druss

Hall of Fame
It's only fair, generally he's had the toughest draws of the big 3 on the way to winning slams
So tell me, what do you consider ‘tougher’ in terms of winning a slam:

1) cakewalk draw (journeymen/mugs/no top 20) all the way to the final, then play 1 of the Big3 in final, or

2) playing 3 top 10 players (Murray/Hewitt/Wawa/Safin/Roddick caliber) and one top 15/20 player (Berdych caliber) all the way to the title, but no Big3.

1) or 2) ?
 

Bike Man

New User
Ok, you can multiply yourself ? I didn't understand how your case proves anything at all.
LOL. Multiply myself? Let me make it a little more simple for you. Your claim {that a majority of people stick with players of their nationality} is wrong. Most do not give a rats backside. Pretty much everyone I hit with is a Fed fan and none are from Switzerland. And no American I know enjoys watching an Isner match.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
Nadal had to face 2 top 10 in his path to the final (Thiem and Del Potro). Djokovic will not face any top 10 in his road to the final. Subsequently, Nadal is more tired than Djokovic after playing matches against better opponents.

I hope you Djokovic fans enjoy the US Open 2018 trophy.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
So tell me, what do you consider ‘tougher’ in terms of winning a slam:

1) cakewalk draw (journeymen/mugs/no top 20) all the way to the final, then play 1 of the Big3 in final, or

2) playing 3 top 10 players (Murray/Hewitt/Wawa/Safin/Roddick caliber) and one top 15/20 player (Berdych caliber) all the way to the title, but no Big3.

1) or 2) ?
Generally I'd say having to play an ATG at some point in the event. Generally all the slams Novak has won he's had to beat one top player, at least a slam winner and at a lot of USO's for instance he'd be in Fed's half, but in Nadal's half for RG
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
Nadal had to face 2 top 10 in his path to the final (Thiem and Del Potro). Djokovic will not face any top 10 in his road to the final. Subsequently, Nadal is more tired than Djokovic after playing matches against better opponents.

I hope you Djokovic fans enjoy the US Open 2018 trophy.
Nadal went an actual five years without facing a top 20 player at the US Open. He could use the adversity.
 

maratha_warrior

Hall of Fame
Nadal had to face 2 top 10 in his path to the final (Thiem and Del Potro). Djokovic will not face any top 10 in his road to the final. Subsequently, Nadal is more tired than Djokovic after playing matches against better opponents.
I hope you Djokovic fans enjoy the US Open 2018 trophy.
Didn't Rafa fans enjoy USO trophies with 2010 ,13 and 17 cake draws ??;)
Or Nadal refused to accept those trophies and still has Zero US open trophy;)
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
Then edit it. Lol. Nobody likes reading all caps because it's rude af.

We don't have to debate but I'm just pointing out that you are incorrect about most of his fans on here being of Serbian heritage. I know me, Hitman and some others are not. It's not a surprise that he does have Serbian fans on here since it's a small country and he's probably the biggest sports star there. I'm sure there are quite a few Spanish Nadal fans on here as well.
Again, learn the distinction between nationality, culture, and heritage. I'm not saying most of his fans on this forum are Serbian, however a plurality of his most ardent fans are of similar heritage ie eastern/central European, Slavic etc. Certainly much more so than with Federer or Nadal.

I'm not explaining this again to you.
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
To correct ur point correcting him... just for Djoker it’s not even in the ballpark of a majority of Djoker fans on here. Just go down the list of the Djoker Fan posters on here. There are very few, of any, Serbians
Again, learn definitions.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Again, learn the distinction between nationality, culture, and heritage. I'm not saying most of his fans on this forum are Serbian, however a plurality of his most ardent fans are of similar heritage ie eastern/central European, Slavic etc. Certainly much more so than with Federer or Nadal.

I'm not explaining this again to you.
I'm not sure it's me that needs to learn the distinction. So it goes from Djokovic nationalists to sharing cultural likeness to most being eastern Europeans? You are still wrong.
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
I'm not sure it's me that needs to learn the distinction. So it goes from Djokovic nationalists to sharing cultural likeness to most being eastern Europeans? You are still wrong.
Prove it!

Otherwise have a seat.
 
Prove it!

Otherwise have a seat.
This was your original claim:

of all the ATGs, only Djokovic has a majority (or close to it) following full of fans that share his heritage or culture (or part of it).
You later narrowed it down to this forum. But if you are going to make an assertion like that, the burden of proof is on you to back up your claims. To ask other to disprove it as if its already a generally accepted is simply illogical and plain lazy. Otherwise, don't expect to be taken seriously.
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
This was your original claim:



You later narrowed it down to this forum. But if you are going to make an assertion like that, the burden of proof is on you to back up your claims. To ask other to disprove it as if its already a generally accepted is simply illogical and plain lazy. Otherwise, don't expect to be taken seriously.
i suggest if you're going to opine, that you at least try and follow context! don't say i later narrowed it down, i always was speaking of this forum. i even disagreed with a Djokovic fan who claims my postulate holds true for all of his fans in the world, which i think is a ridiculous assertion for an ATG.

as far as you or anybody else taking it seriously, i really could give a damn. i know what i've witnessed and observed, obviously you do take it seriously because you and other Djoko-nationalist are taking offense to it.

perhaps you should look at this very thread and see what distinguishes many of Djokovic's most ardent supporters. OhYes is of slavic/eastern European heritage, so is Hitman. many of the 'greats' from the past (if you want to call them that) who i have had plenty of debates with were the same, such as Chico (he was very funny) and Djokovicforthewin (more of a troll).

i can tell by their use of syntax and certain phrasings that they are or are not far removed from Eastern/Central Euro/Slavic culture.

which is fine, i'm not using that as a pejorative in any real way (only banter by calling them Djoko-nationalists just like Nadal's biggest supporters are called Nadalistas or VB brigade or Federer's called fedephants or Fed-fanatics) and to juxtapose the other Djokovic fans who are not, such as Nolefam who i believe is African American or Djokovic2011 who is British and doesn't seem to me to be of Slavic heritage.

thats all it is, is an observation. try making your own and hopefully they will be coherent and logical.
 

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
Again, learn the distinction between nationality, culture, and heritage. I'm not saying most of his fans on this forum are Serbian, however a plurality of his most ardent fans are of similar heritage ie eastern/central European, Slavic etc. Certainly much more so than with Federer or Nadal.

I'm not explaining this again to you.
Central and Eastern Europe is most of Europe.
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
Central and Eastern Europe is most of Europe.
how? by population, by land mass.

i'm not aware of that and don't necessarily believe you, but even if what you say is true it doesn't make much difference in this discussion particularly on a 'western' internet forum.

most of the europeans here are of 'western' culture, certainly enough for me to make the distinction of eastern/central/Slavic euros.

for example, i believe you to be of eastern euro/Slavic descent.
 

Northern

Hall of Fame
how? by population, by land mass.

i'm not aware of that and don't necessarily believe you, but even if what you say is true it doesn't make much difference in this discussion particularly on a 'western' internet forum.

most of the europeans here are of 'western' culture, certainly enough for me to make the distinction of eastern/central/Slavic euros.

for example, i believe you to be of eastern euro/Slavic descent.
Western, Central, and Eastern Europe is all of Europe. To me, Eastern Europe = Former USSR basically, even if geographically the GDR is Central Europe.

The term "Central Europe" is just not used as an entity very much, because from a cultural/historical perspective you tend to distinguish just between West and East. Austria is as much Western Europe as England.
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
Western, Central, and Eastern Europe is all of Europe. To me, Eastern Europe = Former USSR basically, even if geographically the GDR is Central Europe.

The term "Central Europe" is just not used as an entity very much, because from a cultural/historical perspective you tend to distinguish just between West and East. Austria is as much Western Europe as England.
whats GDR?

what do you mean Austria is as western as England?

from a cultural and historical perspective, i would not consider Austria 'western' like England.

but please educate on this issue. i am sure there are idiocentricies i am unaware of being an American.

we are probably mostly taught these things from a Cold War perspective or history vs the Soviet Union/former Soviet Union/Russia.
 

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
how? by population, by land mass.

i'm not aware of that and don't necessarily believe you, but even if what you say is true it doesn't make much difference in this discussion particularly on a 'western' internet forum.

most of the europeans here are of 'western' culture, certainly enough for me to make the distinction of eastern/central/Slavic euros.

for example, i believe you to be of eastern euro/Slavic descent.
I'm not really sure what you're arguing.

That westerners of Slavic descent are more likely to support Novak than westerners of Spanish descent (or heritage) are to support Nadal? I beg to differ.

As for Federer... there aren't many westerners (outside of Europe) of Swiss or 'German' descent who have a strong ethnic identity since they're mostly all so mixed and their roots typically trace back further.

I don't think I know a single person of pure German or Swiss descent. Except for a couple immigrants.
 

Northern

Hall of Fame
whats GDR?

what do you mean Austria is as western as England?

from a cultural and historical perspective, i would not consider Austria 'western' like England.

but please educate on this issue. i am sure there are idiocentricies i am unaware of being an American.

we are probably mostly taught these things from a Cold War perspective or history vs the Soviet Union/former Soviet Union/Russia.
I have the same American perspective you do. GDR = German "Democratic" Republic (aka East Germany.)

From my expertise, derived mainly from the (ahem) History Channel, Eastern Europe was roughly what was at one point or another dominated by the Ottoman Empire. Some people even want to consider Turkey part of Europe if I remember correctly.

What I meant about Austria being part of Western Europe is that culturally and historically it is part of the old Europe. If you use the latin alphabet (minus some Germanic/nordic additions) you are in Western Europe. If you use the cyrilic alphabet, you are in Eastern Europe.

This isn't a simple distinction though, as Greece, for example (which doesn't use the latin alphabet) is considered the craddle of Western culture, even though geographically it is on the far East extreme of Europe.
 
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DRII

G.O.A.T.
I'm not really sure what you're arguing.

That westerners of Slavic descent are more likely to support Novak than westerners of Spanish descent (or heritage) are to support Nadal? I beg to differ.

As for Federer... there aren't many westerners of Swiss or 'German' descent who have a strong ethnic identity since they're mostly all so mixed.
what???

i'm arguing, as i have since is started this particular line of discussion as part of a response to OhYes, that many of Djokovic's most ardent fans (on this forum) are of Slavic/Eastern European descent ie a shared heritage (at least in part) to him; much more so than with Nadal or Federer and their most ardent fans on this forum.
 

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
what???

i'm arguing, as i have since is started this particular line of discussion as part of a response to OhYes, that many of Djokovic's most ardent fans (on this forum) are of Slavic/Eastern European descent ie a shared heritage (at least in part) to him; much more so than with Nadal or Federer and their most ardent fans on this forum.
I can assure you that any non-Serbian 'Slavic' westerner couldn't give a rat's ass what ethnicity Djokovic is.
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
I have the same American perspective you do. GDR = German "Democratic" Republic (aka East Germany.)

From my expertise, derived mainly from the (ahem) History Channel, Eastern Europe was roughly what was at one point or another dominated by the Ottoman Empire. Some people even want to consider Turkey part of Europe if I remember correctly.
Hmmm...

i thought that Austrian-Hungarian empire was a part of Eastern Europe from a historical stance.

basically Slavic lineage.

i thought the Ottoman empire was more about the Middle East.
 

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
Hmmm...

i thought that Austrian-Hungarian empire was a part of Eastern Europe from a historical stance.

basically Slavic lineage.

i thought the Ottoman empire was more about the Middle East.
The Ottoman Empire was basically everything south of the Carpathian Mountains. Austria-Hungary indeed did stretch into Ukraine and the like.
 

Northern

Hall of Fame
Hmmm...

i thought that Austrian-Hungarian empire was a part of Eastern Europe from a historical stance.

basically Slavic lineage.

i thought the Ottoman empire was more about the Middle East.
Austria/Hungary is at the dividing line I would say, as is Greece/Turkey.

Ottoman Empire = Turkey.
 

OhYes

Legend
LOL. Multiply myself? Let me make it a little more simple for you. Your claim {that a majority of people stick with players of their nationality} is wrong. Most do not give a rats backside. Pretty much everyone I hit with is a Fed fan and none are from Switzerland. And no American I know enjoys watching an Isner match.
So Federers case is just best case to prove a point ? :rolleyes:
Of course people would stack up behind best player in the world and cheer for him, as well it was case with Manchester United, Usain Bolt, Michael Jordan and others... So what about rest of players, from Nadal to let say 20th place ? We know that "failures" and bad boys dont have fans (Aussies would love to have decent Kyrgios and Tomic, Americans have seen many their champs so Isner is far from being interesting). Just players who might have a chance of winning slams and be the reason why they wake up at night to turn on TV.
People would love to be nationality fans, even those who root for Fed would love to watch some kid from their country growing into multiple Slam winner, future ATG.
So those countries that do have such players, have here or in stands many nationality fans, and there is nothing wrong with being one as well as being fan of Federer.
 

OhYes

Legend
I can assure you that any non-Serbian 'Slavic' westerner couldn't give a rat's ass what ethnicity Djokovic is.
True. Although I might find some % of Serbs rooting for Russian ATG, Russians don't care about Djokovic at all. Croats root against him even though his mother is Croatian, just because he declared as Serb, and no other Slavic nation has no specific symphaties to Novak except Serbia. So DRII is just throwing things around as usual :D
 
i suggest if you're going to opine, that you at least try and follow context! don't say i later narrowed it down, i always was speaking of this forum. i even disagreed with a Djokovic fan who claims my postulate holds true for all of his fans in the world, which i think is a ridiculous assertion for an ATG.

as far as you or anybody else taking it seriously, i really could give a damn. i know what i've witnessed and observed, obviously you do take it seriously because you and other Djoko-nationalist are taking offense to it.

perhaps you should look at this very thread and see what distinguishes many of Djokovic's most ardent supporters. OhYes is of slavic/eastern European heritage, so is Hitman. many of the 'greats' from the past (if you want to call them that) who i have had plenty of debates with were the same, such as Chico (he was very funny) and Djokovicforthewin (more of a troll).

i can tell by their use of syntax and certain phrasings that they are or are not far removed from Eastern/Central Euro/Slavic culture.

which is fine, i'm not using that as a pejorative in any real way (only banter by calling them Djoko-nationalists just like Nadal's biggest supporters are called Nadalistas or VB brigade or Federer's called fedephants or Fed-fanatics) and to juxtapose the other Djokovic fans who are not, such as Nolefam who i believe is African American or Djokovic2011 who is British and doesn't seem to me to be of Slavic heritage.

thats all it is, is an observation. try making your own and hopefully they will be coherent and logical.
Nope. Even if you were always speaking of this forum, you definitely did not make that clear from the very beginning. That's why a couple of Djokovic fans mentioned his massive fanbase in Asia, and you had to clarify that you were speaking of TTW. I follow context just fine.

I don't take it seriously, and I don't take offense. If you want to make an assertion like that, go ahead, but you really should provide some evidence for it instead of asking others to disprove it. A statement cannot be proven wrong if it was never proven right in the first place.

You mention Hitman, OhYes, Chico and Djokovicforthewin, but those are only 4 users. How many Djokovic fans are on this forum in the first place? 10? 20? 30? If its 4/30, then its far from "majority" or "close to majority". You say you can tell posters' cultural/ethnic background from their syntax and phrasing, but that is simply inconclusive. Since you called me a Djoko-nationalist, do you think I have an Eastern European/Slavic background, or are you just going by my username?

So as others have already said, your observation is very likely to be incorrect. Nobody is stopping you from speaking your opinions or making observations, just don't be surprised if some people call you out on it if it's a sweeping generalization.
 

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
Nope. Even if you were always speaking of this forum, you definitely did not make that clear from the very beginning. That's why a couple of Djokovic fans mentioned his massive fanbase in Asia, and you had to clarify that you were speaking of TTW. I follow context just fine.

I don't take it seriously, and I don't take offense. If you want to make an assertion like that, go ahead, but you really should provide some evidence for it instead of asking others to disprove it. A statement cannot be proven wrong if it was never proven right in the first place.

You mention Hitman, OhYes, Chico and Djokovicforthewin, but those are only 4 users. How many Djokovic fans are on this forum in the first place? 10? 20? 30? If its 4/30, then its far from "majority" or "close to majority". You say you can tell posters' cultural/ethnic background from their syntax and phrasing, but that is simply inconclusive. Since you called me a Djoko-nationalist, do you think I have an Eastern European/Slavic background, or are you just going by my username?

So as others have already said, your observation is very likely to be incorrect. Nobody is stopping you from speaking your opinions or making observations, just don't be surprised if some people call you out on it if it's a sweeping generalization.
Serbs are definitely massive fans of his though. One time I saw 2 Serbs each buy a racquet because it had Novak's name on it. They were like... "this is a good deal for a Djokovic." Didn't even know what the actual racquet was.
 
Serbs are definitely massive fans of his though. One time I saw 2 Serbs each buy a racquet because it had Novak's name on it. They were like... "this is a good deal for a Djokovic." Didn't even know what the actual racquet was.
Agreed. I would not be surprised if Serbs who don't even care about tennis watch it because of Djokovic. What I doubt is that Serbs/Slavs/Eastern Europeans or people who share that background/heritage comprise most of Djokovic's fans in this forum.
 
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i suggest if you're going to opine, that you at least try and follow context! don't say i later narrowed it down, i always was speaking of this forum. i even disagreed with a Djokovic fan who claims my postulate holds true for all of his fans in the world, which i think is a ridiculous assertion for an ATG.

as far as you or anybody else taking it seriously, i really could give a damn. i know what i've witnessed and observed, obviously you do take it seriously because you and other Djoko-nationalist are taking offense to it.

perhaps you should look at this very thread and see what distinguishes many of Djokovic's most ardent supporters. OhYes is of slavic/eastern European heritage, so is Hitman. many of the 'greats' from the past (if you want to call them that) who i have had plenty of debates with were the same, such as Chico (he was very funny) and Djokovicforthewin (more of a troll).

i can tell by their use of syntax and certain phrasings that they are or are not far removed from Eastern/Central Euro/Slavic culture.

which is fine, i'm not using that as a pejorative in any real way (only banter by calling them Djoko-nationalists just like Nadal's biggest supporters are called Nadalistas or VB brigade or Federer's called fedephants or Fed-fanatics) and to juxtapose the other Djokovic fans who are not, such as Nolefam who i believe is African American or Djokovic2011 who is British and doesn't seem to me to be of Slavic heritage.

thats all it is, is an observation. try making your own and hopefully they will be coherent and logical.
I am also of Med heritage like Nadal, I am part Italian. I cheered for Sampras who has Med heritage also, why didn't I pick Nadal then, since Nadal came first? Maybe my background has nothing to do with who I like, and I see the person rather than where they are from and what they look like?
 

OhYes

Legend
Agreed. I would not be surprised if Serbs who don't even care about tennis watch it because of Djokovic. What I doubt is that Serbs/Slavs/Eastern Europeans or people who share that background/heritage comprise most of Djokovic's fans in this forum.
Serbs had Slobodan Zivojinovic in 80s, Ivanisevic and Prpic as part of Yugoslavian team also, Monica Seles in 90s, Jelena Dokic in early 00s and finally Ana Ivanovic, Jelena Jankovic, Janko Tipsarevic, Viktor Troicki, Nenad Zimonjic and Nole in 10s....
Serbs generally love sport, including tennis, so what might be insulting to Serbs is that cream de la cream of tennis fans speak about Serbs as some people who have Djokovic and nothing more - therefore they dont know how to behave or root for tennis player. Which just ads up hypocricy and ignorance of those who call themselves a true tennis fans. Sport is universal, and cultural differences are welcomed.
 

Plamen1234

Hall of Fame
Djokovic basically have the US Open title guaranteed.His "obstacles" are Mugikori and tired Nadal or Del Potro who is no problem for Djokovic.
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
Nope. Even if you were always speaking of this forum, you definitely did not make that clear from the very beginning. That's why a couple of Djokovic fans mentioned his massive fanbase in Asia, and you had to clarify that you were speaking of TTW. I follow context just fine.

I don't take it seriously, and I don't take offense. If you want to make an assertion like that, go ahead, but you really should provide some evidence for it instead of asking others to disprove it. A statement cannot be proven wrong if it was never proven right in the first place.

You mention Hitman, OhYes, Chico and Djokovicforthewin, but those are only 4 users. How many Djokovic fans are on this forum in the first place? 10? 20? 30? If its 4/30, then its far from "majority" or "close to majority". You say you can tell posters' cultural/ethnic background from their syntax and phrasing, but that is simply inconclusive. Since you called me a Djoko-nationalist, do you think I have an Eastern European/Slavic background, or are you just going by my username?

So as others have already said, your observation is very likely to be incorrect. Nobody is stopping you from speaking your opinions or making observations, just don't be surprised if some people call you out on it if it's a sweeping generalization.
yes it was clear from the very beginning, its not my fault that you can't or won't follow context.

I said:

LOL...

that's just not true, especially for Federer and Nadal on this forum.

of all the ATGs, only Djokovic has a majority (or close to it) following full of fans that share his heritage or culture (or part of it).

Nadal is my guy, and I ain't Spanish!


learn to read...

as far as you are concerned, I don't know you and have not noticed you at all on the forum! therefore, i'm not going to make any assertion about your heritage, although going from your username you probably are of Slavic lineage. which is fine, you and others are adding some type of qualitative value to my observation and making it pejorative at that. I did no such thing.

I also made it clear that I am talking about the most ardent fans, not the casual ones. again, follow context.
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
I am also of Med heritage like Nadal, I am part Italian. I cheered for Sampras who has Med heritage also, why didn't I pick Nadal then, since Nadal came first? Maybe my background has nothing to do with who I like, and I see the person rather than where they are from and what they look like?
I never said that background 'dictates' who you like or don't like, however I have noticed a correlation between Djokovic's most ardent fans and Slavic lineage.

correlation is not causation, I realize...
 

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
of all the ATGs, only Djokovic has a majority (or close to it) following full of fans that share his heritage or culture (or part of it).

Nadal is my guy, and I ain't Spanish!
I never said that background 'dictates' who you like or don't like, however I have noticed a correlation between Djokovic's most ardent fans and Slavic lineage.

correlation is not causation, I realize...
Slavic is not a singular ethnicity like Spanish. It's a language family like Latin.

A Russian rooting for Djokovic would be like an Italian or Frenchman rooting for Nadal. Not a Spaniard.
 

Bike Man

New User
So Federers case is just best case to prove a point ? :rolleyes:
Of course people would stack up behind best player in the world and cheer for him, as well it was case with Manchester United, Usain Bolt, Michael Jordan and others... So what about rest of players, from Nadal to let say 20th place ? We know that "failures" and bad boys dont have fans (Aussies would love to have decent Kyrgios and Tomic, Americans have seen many their champs so Isner is far from being interesting). Just players who might have a chance of winning slams and be the reason why they wake up at night to turn on TV.
People would love to be nationality fans, even those who root for Fed would love to watch some kid from their country growing into multiple Slam winner, future ATG.
So those countries that do have such players, have here or in stands many nationality fans, and there is nothing wrong with being one as well as being fan of Federer.
Yeah, I'm sure a lot of people pull for their countrymen, but there are a lot who don't (regardless of where their favorite player sits in the rankings). And, BTW, I'm completely uninterested in proving any points. Ok, you win :) Uncle! Tap tap tap...
 
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