Congratulations to the best of our era and to Fed fans

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Incredible match. A hollywood movie couldn't have scripted this any better. Federer excoricises his demons and gets revenge from that AO'09 final. Nadal up a break in the fifth and Federer still manages to come back. He showed incredible grit and great tennis. Well, they both did. I don't feel like Nadal really lost this one, even though he had a lot of chances to consolidate the match in the fifth. Match was decided by the smallest of margins and this time it (finally?) went Federer's way.

I am extremely dissapointed, but at the same time very happy for Federer their mutual history taken into consideration. Such a match. Don't have any fingernails left to bite.

This consolidates it. Roger Federer is the best tennis player of our generation and an amazing champion. Just a joy to watch.

Congrats Fed and Fed fans on the 18th slam!

Vamos!
 
Yes. I wanted Federer to win and beat Nadal. He showed a lot of fortitude. Nadal wasn't about to hand it to him and he had to fight all the way.

That said, I can hardly wait for the French Open. Had this match been on clay, I think it would have easily been Nadal winning. How long can these two keep ahead of a younger generation that now looks poised to actually do something? I don't know, but it's been a wonderful run. Nice to see them both in the finals again. It's been so long.

I guess we'll see where Murray and Djokovic go from here. Murray's loss here was typical - too passive = loss against aggressive player. I don't know how long he can be #1 if he doesn't figure that out consistently. As for Djokovic, who knows how long his "walkabout" will last. He just doesn't seem like the same guy that was on an unstoppable streak less than a year ago.

To Nadal! May he win #10 this year!!! (and #15).
 
The match was fantastic; Rafa thought he had pulled it off but his vulnerability in his own service games eventually caught up with him. Neither player was at their scintillating best but the last 2 sets were very high-quality.
 
back to back 5 set wins at just under 3.5 hours each peRFect timing
backhand using lubijic's input has paid off, less spin more penetration
moving more towards eastern than western was an excellent move
as it shone at the most important time, the final for no. 18
 
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I'm not sure he's the best of our generation but nice win for Fed. Maybe Nadal and Nole can go on to win further Slams.

Then again, maybe Fed can.
 
some thanks from Fed should go towards Dimitrov for keeping the cheating bull out there for 5 hours
Very very happy right now cannot as for a better AO after so many years of dreaded baseline dullness

The new year of the Rooster came yesterday just in time for the 2 year of the Rooster winners
(im in Japan and celebrations are hard to ignore in some places :)
 
The match was fantastic; Rafa thought he had pulled it off but his vulnerability in his own service games eventually caught up with him. Neither player was at their scintillating best but the last 2 sets were very high-quality.
 
The match was fantastic; Rafa thought he had pulled it off but his vulnerability in his own service games eventually caught up with him. Neither player was at their scintillating best but the last 2 sets were very high-quality.

There were so many key points you could point to from both Fed and Nadal. They both fended off a ton of BPs. So let's look at this from an overall standpoint.

What I saw from Federer today that I think ultimately made him beat Nadal were:

a) His backhand. That backhand today was crucial. I think Fed might have hit his topspin backhand about 85-90 % of the time today (don't know if there's stats to back that up and it'd be interesting to see a comparative metric of this in his former matches vs. Nadal). Both in the rallies but also off the returns. In the rallies Federer managed to take his backhand early and pulled it wide hitting into Nadal's forehand side. He also managed to neutralize the rallies a lot by going down the line in the same vein Dimitrov managed to do it. Federer ended up hitting a lot of backhand winners and that was gold today. That bigger frame definitely aided Federer to be capable of doing this. Remember this is only the second time they play head to head since Federer switched to a bigger racket I believe. As a side note, Nadal couldn't find that first serve from the deuce court to Fed's backhand today. He missed it countless times today. Also played a crucial factor.

b) His patterns of play. Besides the patterns of play with his backhand that I already alluded to, Federer did so well in constructing the points. When Federer wasn't withstanding the FH cc from Nadal, Federer played a lot of topspin forehands to Nadal's backhand side. Djokovic-esque stuff there. When he was in control of the rally, he kept Nadal on the backhand wing an extra time, before eventually extracting the error from Nadal, pressuring Nadal to slice it up high with Fed finishing it at the net or finally going into the open court (the latter didn't happen that often to be honest; the first two outcomes happened most often).
Federer's inside out was also great and it was even more effective today, as you could see Nadal was moving slowlier to his forehand side today, given he probably was feeling the Dimitrov match in his legs. Nadal didn't make those running forehand shots today. He was too late to be in the right positions to hit them.

c) His serve. Federer's first serve was in the mid sixties every single set (apart from the last actually, where it dropped to 52%; Nadal's first serve in the fifth was 85%! - all the more impressive that he won that fifth set)
We all know how much damage Federer can do when he serves well. He did that to Nadal too. Especially come crunch moments which leads to me to fourth key point.

d) Federer's mentality. He did not choke. Well, on his first match point he did. And maybe a few other times. But as a whole, he was rock solid mentally. Just incredible to watch how clutch Federer was. Obviously, considering that's where he often loses to Nadal - in the mental battle. That point that set up BP at 4-3 in the fifth I believe, was just out of this world. You know, the rally where Federer finished with the forehand down the line? Spectacular. This was the paramount question leading into this battle. Would the match up have the same dynamic as a Fedal slam match? It proved not to be the case. Federer was as clutch as Nadal. Even more so given he won. I think Federer's attitude coming into the open with no expectations really helped him. That and the fact that they havn't met in a Slam in three years (and only played one match since that AO SF). Must be amazing for you Fed fans to watch him come through like that.

I think these were the most important key factors to Federer beating Nadal today and taking that #18th slam.
 
The match was fantastic; Rafa thought he had pulled it off but his vulnerability in his own service games eventually caught up with him. Neither player was at their scintillating best but the last 2 sets were very high-quality.

There were so many key points you could point to from both Fed and Nadal. They both fended off a ton of BPs. So let's look at this from an overall standpoint.

What I saw from Federer today that I think ultimately made him beat Nadal were:

a) His backhand. That backhand today was crucial. I think Fed might have hit his topspin backhand about 85-90 % of the time today (don't know if there's stats to back that up and it'd be interesting to see a comparative metric of this in his former matches vs. Nadal). Both in the rallies but also off the returns. In the rallies Federer managed to take his backhand early and pulled it wide hitting into Nadal's forehand side. He also managed to neutralize the rallies a lot by going down the line in the same vein Dimitrov managed to do it. Federer ended up hitting a lot of backhand winners and that was gold today. That bigger frame definitely aided Federer to be capable of doing this. Remember this is only the second time they play head to head since Federer switched to a bigger racket I believe. As a side note, Nadal couldn't find that first serve from the deuce court to Fed's backhand today. He missed it countless times today. Also played a crucial factor.

b) His patterns of play. Besides the patterns of play with his backhand that I already alluded to, Federer did so well in constructing the points. When Federer wasn't withstanding the FH cc from Nadal, Federer played a lot of topspin forehands to Nadal's backhand side. Djokovic-esque stuff there. When he was in control of the rally, he kept Nadal on the backhand wing an extra time, before eventually extracting the error from Nadal, pressuring Nadal to slice it up high with Fed finishing it at the net or finally going into the open court (the latter didn't happen that often to be honest; the first two outcomes happened most often).
Federer's inside out was also great and it was even more effective today, as you could see Nadal was moving slowlier to his forehand side today, given he probably was feeling the Dimitrov match in his legs. Nadal didn't make those running forehand shots today. He was too late to be in the right positions to hit them.

c) His serve. Federer's first serve was in the mid sixties every single set (apart from the last actually, where it dropped to 52%; Nadal's first serve in the fifth was 85%! - all the more impressive that he won that fifth set)
We all know how much damage Federer can do when he serves well. He did that to Nadal too. Especially come crunch moments which leads to me to fourth key point.

d) Federer's mentality. He did not choke. Well, on his first match point he did. And maybe a few other times. But as a whole, he was rock solid mentally. Just incredible to watch how clutch Federer was. Obviously, considering that's where he often loses to Nadal - in the mental battle. That point that set up BP at 4-3 in the fifth I believe, was just out of this world. You know, the rally where Federer finished with the forehand down the line? Spectacular. This was the paramount question leading into this battle. Would the match up have the same dynamic as a Fedal slam match? It proved not to be the case. Federer was as clutch as Nadal. Even more so given he won. I think Federer's attitude coming into the open with no expectations really helped him. That and the fact that they havn't met in a Slam in three years (and only played one match since that AO SF). Must be amazing for you Fed fans to watch him come through like that.

I think these were the most important key factors to Federer beating Nadal today and taking that #18th slam.
 
The match was fantastic; Rafa thought he had pulled it off but his vulnerability in his own service games eventually caught up with him. Neither player was at their scintillating best but the last 2 sets were very high-quality.
 
I'm not sure he's the best of our generation but nice win for Fed. Maybe Nadal and Nole can go on to win further Slams.

Then again, maybe Fed can.

Then who is? I don't think Nadal and Djokovic come close to be honest. A 35 year old Federer just proved that today.

A lot of ground for them to make up to challenge Fed for that monikor. And I can't see anyone of them winning more than 2-3 slams in the rest of their careers (Djokovic might win 4 more, but I highly doubt it - and if he does that Fed is still ahead of him)
 
Rafa intentionally served to Feds body as he noticed this vital weakness of Fed
and continued to do so till he got broken as Fed found a way.
Then Nada in desperation tried going back to his old faithful out wide and ocassionally down
the T but was way off and lacked accuracy for over using the body serves.
He won alot of battles in that dept but it cost him when Fed adjusted and lost the war.

So happy the cheat got beat and its a shame he needed to cheat again tonight by
holding up Feds services like he has done to all is other opponents for 2 weeks.

If USO, Wimby and some ATP events are sped up we might see more interesting tennis
as proven in this AO in which some nights were slow but tonight was just right.
 
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I guess we'll see where Murray and Djokovic go from here. Murray's loss here was typical - too passive = loss against aggressive player. I don't know how long he can be #1 if he doesn't figure that out consistently.

Murray has been consistently figuring out and beating more aggressive players all through his career. IMO he's a bit frazzled after his efforts to get the #1 ranking in the latter half of last season. He needs a bit more time off to recharge his batteries and get his focus back. If, after that, he then keeps getting beaten by the likes of Mischa Zverev, we can talk again.

As for Djokovic, who knows how long his "walkabout" will last. He just doesn't seem like the same guy that was on an unstoppable streak less than a year ago.

For Djokovic it's mostly mental. The strain of trying to keep up that incredible level of the last few years was just too much after he had completed his CGS at Roland Garros last year. He too needs more time away from tennis to reflect and refocus.
 
Incredible match. A hollywood movie couldn't have scripted this any better. Federer excoricises his demons and gets revenge from that AO'09 final. Nadal up a break in the fifth and Federer still manages to come back. He showed incredible grit and great tennis. Well, they both did. I don't feel like Nadal really lost this one, even though he had a lot of chances to consolidate the match in the fifth. Match was decided by the smallest of margins and this time it (finally?) went Federer's way.

I am extremely dissapointed, but at the same time very happy for Federer their mutual history taken into consideration. Such a match. Don't have any fingernails left to bite.

This consolidates it. Roger Federer is the best tennis player of our generation and an amazing champion. Just a joy to watch.

Congrats Fed and Fed fans on the 18th slam!

Vamos!

Thanks for a classy post by a classy poster. We're over the moon. Both federer and nadal have been below par for quite a while and a lot of people were wondering whether that was it for them, whether either would make it back to a top level again. They both answered the call.
Rafa has to be favourite (or among them) at the French Open now and for quite a few slams to come. Incredible day.
 
Incredible match. A hollywood movie couldn't have scripted this any better. Federer excoricises his demons and gets revenge from that AO'09 final. Nadal up a break in the fifth and Federer still manages to come back. He showed incredible grit and great tennis. Well, they both did. I don't feel like Nadal really lost this one, even though he had a lot of chances to consolidate the match in the fifth. Match was decided by the smallest of margins and this time it (finally?) went Federer's way.

I am extremely dissapointed, but at the same time very happy for Federer their mutual history taken into consideration. Such a match. Don't have any fingernails left to bite.

This consolidates it. Roger Federer is the best tennis player of our generation and an amazing champion. Just a joy to watch.

Congrats Fed and Fed fans on the 18th slam!

Vamos!

Thanks for a classy post by a classy poster. We're over the moon. Both federer and nadal have been below par for quite a while and a lot of people were wondering whether that was it for them, whether either would make it back to a top level again. They both answered the call.
Rafa has to be favourite (or among them) at the French Open now and for quite a few slams to come. Incredible day.
 
Incredible match. A hollywood movie couldn't have scripted this any better. Federer excoricises his demons and gets revenge from that AO'09 final. Nadal up a break in the fifth and Federer still manages to come back. He showed incredible grit and great tennis. Well, they both did. I don't feel like Nadal really lost this one, even though he had a lot of chances to consolidate the match in the fifth. Match was decided by the smallest of margins and this time it (finally?) went Federer's way.

I am extremely dissapointed, but at the same time very happy for Federer their mutual history taken into consideration. Such a match. Don't have any fingernails left to bite.

This consolidates it. Roger Federer is the best tennis player of our generation and an amazing champion. Just a joy to watch.

Congrats Fed and Fed fans on the 18th slam!

Vamos!

Thanks for a classy post by a classy poster. We're over the moon. Both federer and nadal have been below par for quite a while and a lot of people were wondering whether that was it for them, whether either would make it back to a top level again. They both answered the call.
Rafa has to be favourite (or among them) at the French Open now and for quite a few slams to come. Incredible day.
 
Congrats to Federer and to his fans. They can be forgiven for thinking number 18 was just a pipedream that would never happen. But, sometimes, dreams DO come true, even the 'pipest' of them and today was one of those days. Enjoy and celebrate! :D
 
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Rafa intentionally served to Feds body as he noticed this vital weakness of Fed
and continued to do so till he got broken as Fed found a way.
Then Nada in desperation tried going back to his old faithful out wide and ocassionally down
the T but was way off and lacked accuracy for over using the body serves.
He won alot of battles in that dept but it cost him when Fed adjusted and lost the war.

So happy the cheat got beat and its a shame he needed to cheat again tonight by
holding up Feds services like he has done to all is other opponents for 2 weeks.

If USO, Wimby and some ATP events are sped up we might see more interesting tennis
as proven in this AO in which some nights were slow but tonight was just right.
there's no need to be a sore winner in a thread like this
 
Incredible match. A hollywood movie couldn't have scripted this any better. Federer excoricises his demons and gets revenge from that AO'09 final. Nadal up a break in the fifth and Federer still manages to come back. He showed incredible grit and great tennis. Well, they both did. I don't feel like Nadal really lost this one, even though he had a lot of chances to consolidate the match in the fifth. Match was decided by the smallest of margins and this time it (finally?) went Federer's way.

I am extremely dissapointed, but at the same time very happy for Federer their mutual history taken into consideration. Such a match. Don't have any fingernails left to bite.

This consolidates it. Roger Federer is the best tennis player of our generation and an amazing champion. Just a joy to watch.

Congrats Fed and Fed fans on the 18th slam!

Vamos!
Thanks heaps, I honestly think you're my favorite Rafa-fan here. Always fair and balanced. And agree 100 % with your opening post.
If it's any consolation, this tournament is the best Rafa has played since at least first half of 2014 - and imo we need to go back to 2013.
He should have a great year ahead of him.

This bit, I very much agree with:
"I don't feel like Nadal really lost this one, even though he had a lot of chances to consolidate the match in the fifth. Match was decided by the smallest of margins and this time it (finally?) went Federer's way."
About time if you ask me, but you can be forgiven for not wanting it to be exactly this time.
 
Thanks heaps, I honestly think you're my favorite Rafa-fan here. Always fair and balanced. And agree 100 % with your opening post.
If it's any consolation, this tournament is the best Rafa has played since at least first half of 2014 - and imo we need to go back to 2013.
He should have a great year ahead of him.

This bit, I very much agree with:
"I don't feel like Nadal really lost this one, even though he had a lot of chances to consolidate the match in the fifth. Match was decided by the smallest of margins and this time it (finally?) went Federer's way."
About time if you ask me, but you can be forgiven for not wanting it to be exactly this time.

Thank you for the kind words. I also think you're very much the same. Fair and balanced with good insights.

And yeah, we'd have to go back to the 2014 FO to find a better level than what Nadal showed this tournament I think.

Mirror image of the 2009 final in a way. Back then Rafa took 1, 3 and 5. This time Roger did the same. Poetic in a way. In an even more dramatic and epic fashion with the fifth set being anything but a blowout.
 
Thanks heaps, I honestly think you're my favorite Rafa-fan here. Always fair and balanced. And agree 100 % with your opening post.
If it's any consolation, this tournament is the best Rafa has played since at least first half of 2014 - and imo we need to go back to 2013.
He should have a great year ahead of him.

This bit, I very much agree with:
"I don't feel like Nadal really lost this one, even though he had a lot of chances to consolidate the match in the fifth. Match was decided by the smallest of margins and this time it (finally?) went Federer's way."
About time if you ask me, but you can be forgiven for not wanting it to be exactly this time.

Double post.
 
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Thanks for the kind words @eliars. I completely understand your disappointment having been through it more than I would've liked to every time Nadal beat Federer in one of these, but you and Nadal should be proud. His ultimate fight seems to be back so he's competing extremely well even if he misses more FH's than he used to. Nadal looks primed for a great 2017, and I don't say this often, but I'm looking forward to seeing how he does at RG especially. I'm happy enough now to have Nadal win a 10th title at a single slam. ;) I want to see it.
 
Thank you for the kind words. I also think you're very much the same. Fair and balanced with good insights.

And yeah, we'd have to go back to the 2014 FO to find a better level than what Nadal showed this tournament I think.

Mirror image of the 2009 final in a way. Back then Rafa took 1, 3 and 5. This time Roger did the same. Poetic in a way. In an even more dramatic and epic fashion with the fifth set being anything but a blowout.
Still, I wouldn't be able to pull off, what you're pulling off today in terms of balance. Guess it helps that your guy has won the majority of the close ones in the past. Had Fed lost yet another one, where he had the upper hand for most of the match, I would have been very bitter to say the least.
Tbh, I felt he didn't play that well at FO 14 and somehow won it on being 'Rafa', but yeah - could be as good as this tournament. Either way, good to have them both back! And Dimi challenging again, what a match he and Rafa played as well!
 
Still, I wouldn't be able to pull off, what you're pulling off today in terms of balance. Guess it helps that your guy has won the majority of the close ones in the past. Had Fed lost yet another one, where he had the upper hand for most of the match, I would have been very bitter to say the least.
Tbh, I felt he didn't play that well at FO 14 and somehow won it on being 'Rafa', but yeah - could be as good as this tournament. Either way, good to have them both back! And Dimi challenging again, what a match he and Rafa played as well!

This, I think.

I can remember how much more dissapointed I was when Nadal lost the 2012 AO final, because it in a way felt 'unjust' (there's no such thing as justice in sports though, generally) that Nadal should come so close to finally beating Djokovic who had mauled him the entire last year and then that Djokovic should win his 7th straight final vs. Nadal under those circumstances. Was a tougher pill to swallow.

That said I also believe I'm less of a fanboi these days and understand the bigger picture. Nadal was never meant to be the best tennis player. He was always meant to be the underdog, defying the odds with his style of play. I'm content with his place in history. As I am content to say that Federer, when playing like he did today, deserves to be called the greatest of our sport.

As for the 2014 FO, as far as I can recall, he didn't play great in his first matches (where he also faced tough matchups). But from the QF on he played excellent with that SF and F being absolutely top quality by Nadal - a level he didn't reach this AO (understandably so - it's a different surface)
 
This, I think.

I can remember how much more dissapointed I was when Nadal lost the 2012 AO final, because it in a way felt 'unjust' (there's no such thing as justice in sports though, generally) that Nadal should come so close to finally beating Djokovic who had mauled him the entire last year and then that Djokovic should win his 7th straight final vs. Nadal under those circumstances. Was a tougher pill to swallow.

That said I also believe I'm less of a fanboi these days and understand the bigger picture. Nadal was never meant to be the best tennis player. He was always meant to be the underdog, defying the odds with his style of play. I'm content with his place in history. As I am content to say that Federer, when playing like he did today, deserves to be called the greatest of our sport.

As for the 2014 FO, as far as I can recall, he didn't play great in his first matches (where he also faced tough matchups). But from the QF on he played excellent with that SF and F being absolutely top quality by Nadal - a level he didn't reach this AO (understandably so - it's a different surface)
yeah, that AO 2012 must have been hard as well. Now imagine the beating has been going on for 10 straight years and well... just happy he finaly snuck one out from Rafa.

Honestly, I remember feeling a bit underwhelmed by the 14 final, but you're probably right. Either way, it seems like an exiting 17 ahead of us with Zverev, Grigor, Nick, Milos and Nishi etc. challenging and Fedal back and relevant. The Novak one man show got a bit too one-sided for my taste (and also not a great fan).

Bold - nice words. Couldn't agree more, but that's huge coming from a Rafa fan. But as you say, you're no fanboy.
 
This, I think.

I can remember how much more dissapointed I was when Nadal lost the 2012 AO final, because it in a way felt 'unjust' (there's no such thing as justice in sports though, generally) that Nadal should come so close to finally beating Djokovic who had mauled him the entire last year and then that Djokovic should win his 7th straight final vs. Nadal under those circumstances. Was a tougher pill to swallow.

That said I also believe I'm less of a fanboi these days and understand the bigger picture. Nadal was never meant to be the best tennis player. He was always meant to be the underdog, defying the odds with his style of play. I'm content with his place in history. As I am content to say that Federer, when playing like he did today, deserves to be called the greatest of our sport.

As for the 2014 FO, as far as I can recall, he didn't play great in his first matches (where he also faced tough matchups). But from the QF on he played excellent with that SF and F being absolutely top quality by Nadal - a level he didn't reach this AO (understandably so - it's a different surface)
yeah, that AO 2012 must have been hard as well. Now imagine the beating has been going on for 10 straight years and well... just happy he finaly snuck one out from Rafa.

Honestly, I remember feeling a bit underwhelmed by the 14 final, but you're probably right. Either way, it seems like an exiting 17 ahead of us with Zverev, Grigor, Nick, Milos and Nishi etc. challenging and Fedal back and relevant. The Novak one man show got a bit too one-sided for my taste (and also not a great fan).

Bold - nice words. Couldn't agree more, but that's huge coming from a Rafa fan. But as you say, you're no fanboy.
 
yeah, that AO 2012 must have been hard as well. Now imagine the beating has been going on for 10 straight years and well... just happy he finaly snuck one out from Rafa.

Honestly, I remember feeling a bit underwhelmed by the 14 final, but you're probably right. Either way, it seems like an exiting 17 ahead of us with Zverev, Grigor, Nick, Milos and Nishi etc. challenging and Fedal back and relevant. The Novak one man show got a bit too one-sided for my taste (and also not a great fan).

Bold - nice words. Couldn't agree more, but that's huge coming from a Rafa fan. But as you say, you're no fanboy.

Indeed an exciting 2017 ahead of us. This tournament has been so refreshing, even if we ironically ended up with two old timers playing the finals.

Also going to be really interesting to see how Djokovic and Murray will fare (you know the two guys, almost anyone thought would be in the Aussie final after that great Doha final). Can more journeymen/upcomers upset them in the future? And can Dimitrov back up his great showing in AO? Or will someone else be stealing the limelight in the months to come?

It is pretty excite, admittedly. Much more than it has been a long, long time.
 
yeah, Murray and Djokovic too of course. They aren't going anywhere (though Guruvic is a bit of an unknown).
 
Whatever happens from this point on, I think Fed will approach a match with Nadal having a different mindset this time around. Of course he's too old to make the H2H more respectable, but I think Fed will finally believe he could win against Rafa on his own terms, outside of clay of course.
 
yeah, that AO 2012 must have been hard as well. Now imagine the beating has been going on for 10 straight years and well... just happy he finaly snuck one out from Rafa.

Honestly, I remember feeling a bit underwhelmed by the 14 final, but you're probably right. Either way, it seems like an exiting 17 ahead of us with Zverev, Grigor, Nick, Milos and Nishi etc. challenging and Fedal back and relevant. The Novak one man show got a bit too one-sided for my taste (and also not a great fan).

Bold - nice words. Couldn't agree more, but that's huge coming from a Rafa fan. But as you say, you're no fanboy.
No Thiem?:mad:
 
Whatever happens from this point on, I think Fed will approach a match with Nadal having a different mindset this time around. Of course he's too old to make the H2H more respectable, but I think Fed will finally believe he could win against Rafa on his own terms, outside of clay of course.
Agree. His confidence difference from previous meetings was huge. On the important points he could rush Nadal at will by taking his bh early and using flat angled shots, which I had never seen him do before against Nadal. I'm sure he'll use the same tactic if he has to play Nadal again. Other players should take note.
 
Agree. His confidence difference from previous meetings was huge. On the important points he could rush Nadal at will by taking his bh early and using flat angled shots, which I had never seen him do before against Nadal. I'm sure he'll use the same tactic if he has to play Nadal again. Other players should take note.
Yeah, I was impressed at how Fed simply chose to put behind all the other defeats to Rafa and put everything he had into this one match. He outclutched Nadal in the 5th, which even in my wildest dreams I would have never expected to happen.
 
there's no need to be a sore winner in a thread like this

A sore winner is actually the contrast of a sore loser

Its only by criticizing what is not necessary or unsporting that we can maintain the purity that tennis deserves

Nadals game does not need the cheating, he can win with his racquet and amazing game but
he resorts to childish dirty tactics as his own inhaled ecoli makes its way to the R complex part
of his brain and switches it into parasitic mode. Arrogantly challenging the last shot even against
his teams knowledge was also pathetic but not unexpected of this aged balding Rafa that now
lives cheating and self denial clutching at straws or more realistically his thinning hair line.
 
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I'm not sure why racquetreligion is so negative....perhaps I've missed something. If so, my apologies.

I finally came on here to say how truly exciting the final was for tennis fans. Hats off to both Fed and Nadal! How could fans ask for more?

To the rest of you, thanks for staying classy.

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Agree. His confidence difference from previous meetings was huge. On the important points he could rush Nadal at will by taking his bh early and using flat angled shots, which I had never seen him do before against Nadal. I'm sure he'll use the same tactic if he has to play Nadal again. Other players should take note.
True.
Yeah, I was impressed at how Fed simply chose to put behind all the other defeats to Rafa and put everything he had into this one match. He outclutched Nadal in the 5th, which even in my wildest dreams I would have never expected to happen.
Agreed. That said, wouldn't you agree that it was also past mental demons that led to the walk about early in set 2, where he suddenly started making errors all over the place? And the break in set 4 as well for that matter?

Over all though, I agree his mindset will be different going forward. But that even though he exercised a LOT of his demons in that 5th, Rafa still has somewhat of a special place in his head. Less than before, but still evident at times in this match, for example also in the number of easy forehand sitters, Fed hit right back to Rafa or out.

A sore winner is actually the contrast of a sore loser

Its only by criticizing what is not necessary or unsporting that we can maintain the purity that tennis deserves

Nadals game does not need the cheating, he can win with his racquet and amazing game but
he resorts to childish dirty tactics as his own inhaled ecoli makes its way to the R complex part
of his brain and switches it into parasitic mode. Arrogantly challenging the last shot even against
his teams knowledge was also pathetic but not unexpected of this aged balding Rafa that now
lives cheating and self denial clutching at straws or more realistically his thinning hair line.
Look man, I'm the first to criticize Rafa for his time wasting and the umpires for being super lenient with him. But this thread is not the place to do it in. Also, chill a bit.
 
Incredible match. A hollywood movie couldn't have scripted this any better. Federer excoricises his demons and gets revenge from that AO'09 final. Nadal up a break in the fifth and Federer still manages to come back. He showed incredible grit and great tennis. Well, they both did. I don't feel like Nadal really lost this one, even though he had a lot of chances to consolidate the match in the fifth. Match was decided by the smallest of margins and this time it (finally?) went Federer's way.

I am extremely dissapointed, but at the same time very happy for Federer their mutual history taken into consideration. Such a match. Don't have any fingernails left to bite.

This consolidates it. Roger Federer is the best tennis player of our generation and an amazing champion. Just a joy to watch.

Congrats Fed and Fed fans on the 18th slam!

Vamos!

A nice post. You've actually hinted at something that I think some of us fans of Federer/Nadal since their early years may be feeling; more respect for the other. I used to dislike Nadal, mostly due to his on court behaviour and tactics. However, since he and Federer became viewed as the Grandads (well, Roger definitely in age, Rafa in past his best...or not now!), I started to view what they both had created in their rivalry. It could be age on my behalf, but I started to let slip the annoyances I found for him over the last few years, and appreciated what he did bring to the game itself far more. Yesterday, I anticipated a Nadal win, and wasn't going to begrudge him it after how he'd played the last few weeks. I truly didn't anticipate Roger winning. The match played out like a Hollywood script, and the result was almost like a final chapter in the story of FEDAL. As Roger said, a draw would have been nice yesterday.

Heck, as a Roger fan, I can hand on heart say I wouldn't mind at this point if Nadal went on to win another 5 slams. To me, it was wonderful seeing Roger get the monkey off his back, and do so in style and at the grand old age of 35. If he retired, or doesn't win another match it matters not. Well, I don't want him to retire for I'd love to see him play more, but you get my point.

I wonder how long it will be before such a rivalry and distinct talents that have elevated tennis to another level in global sports come along?

Congratulations to both Roger and Rafa.
 
Incredible match. A hollywood movie couldn't have scripted this any better. Federer excoricises his demons and gets revenge from that AO'09 final. Nadal up a break in the fifth and Federer still manages to come back. He showed incredible grit and great tennis. Well, they both did. I don't feel like Nadal really lost this one, even though he had a lot of chances to consolidate the match in the fifth. Match was decided by the smallest of margins and this time it (finally?) went Federer's way.

I am extremely dissapointed, but at the same time very happy for Federer their mutual history taken into consideration. Such a match. Don't have any fingernails left to bite.

This consolidates it. Roger Federer is the best tennis player of our generation and an amazing champion. Just a joy to watch.

Congrats Fed and Fed fans on the 18th slam!

Vamos!

Yeah I'll second this - disappointed but the blow is somewhat softened as it is Federer
 
A nice post. You've actually hinted at something that I think some of us fans of Federer/Nadal since their early years may be feeling; more respect for the other. I used to dislike Nadal, mostly due to his on court behaviour and tactics. However, since he and Federer became viewed as the Grandads (well, Roger definitely in age, Rafa in past his best...or not now!), I started to view what they both had created in their rivalry. It could be age on my behalf, but I started to let slip the annoyances I found for him over the last few years, and appreciated what he did bring to the game itself far more. Yesterday, I anticipated a Nadal win, and wasn't going to begrudge him it after how he'd played the last few weeks. I truly didn't anticipate Roger winning. The match played out like a Hollywood script, and the result was almost like a final chapter in the story of FEDAL. As Roger said, a draw would have been nice yesterday.

Heck, as a Roger fan, I can hand on heart say I wouldn't mind at this point if Nadal went on to win another 5 slams. To me, it was wonderful seeing Roger get the monkey off his back, and do so in style and at the grand old age of 35. If he retired, or doesn't win another match it matters not. Well, I don't want him to retire for I'd love to see him play more, but you get my point.

I wonder how long it will be before such a rivalry and distinct talents that have elevated tennis to another level in global sports come along?

Congratulations to both Roger and Rafa.

Cheers.

I understand why people dislike Nadal. I often get frustrated with him. Like, when he plays so passively and hits 'powderpuff' stuff while grunting loudly making it seem like he's cracking the ball and the opponent just blasts a winner past him off his short, loopy forehand shots.

But that to me is also the thrill of watching him. As a Nadal fan you often feel he underperforms or make things unnecessarily hard on himself (kinda like Murray does to himself with his behaviour - that's what Nadal does with his way of playing). So seeing Nadal's forehand is like a family member being vigilant of his brother not turning to the bottle yet again after finally becoming sober. A very dramatic analogy on my end, but it's kinda how it feels. If you see him overspinning the balls all the time and refuses to flatten it out, even though you know he can judging by the practise session of him just the day before, where he was following through across his chest and getting great depth on his shots, well there he is, on the bottle again. When he stands 2500000 feet behind the baseline to return serves, even though you know he can return from on the baseline, well there he is out drinking again (hi @WhiskeyEE). You know he can do much better, but he still reverts to his old bad habits. Probably because that's the only way he feels he can win (or live! - to complete the dramatic analogy)
So yeah, it's a bit complex to be a Nadal fan. At least that's what I feel like.

Personally, I've always liked Federer. I loved seeing that guy with the ponytail in the mid 2000's playing Wimbledon every year. Then later when I started watching tennis back in 2007-2008, I just found myself rooting for Nadal in those Wimbledon finals because he was the underdog and I liked how different he was. Even in the 2011 FO final I think I deep down was rooting for Federer to win, as I was watching the match unfold. But was also happy when Nadal won.

I always think that Federer and Nadal have liked each other. Maybe not in the beginning. But from 2007-08 on. Now so, even more (just like many Nadal and Federer fans have started to appreciate both players). You can definitely tell how much they respect each other from all the interviews given recently. How much it meant for Nadal that Federer came for the opening of Rafa's academy. He must have repeated that a thousand times. Federer in his interviews, also complimenting Rafa and his game.

And yeah, this rivalry truly is special. I personally enjoy most of the Murray-Djokovic matches, but it's nothing like Nadal-Federer whose contrasts form an exciting whole of tennis, that will be dearly missed when they hang up their racket. This is partly why this Australian Open is one of the most special ones in recent times and one I will never forget. We got another Fedal final!
 
Oopps :oops:
In honesty though, I think Thiem will do well to stay around top-7-top-10 this year. But I do like his game as a mini Stan. If he can plan a bit better, he might climb higher. Who did he lose to again this AO?

He lost to Goffin, rather meekly IIRC. @Meles how do you rate Thiems point construction? He obviously has the speed and firepower, aside from scheduling what's holding him back?
 
He lost to Goffin, rather meekly IIRC. @Meles how do you rate Thiems point construction? He obviously has the speed and firepower, aside from scheduling what's holding him back?
Thiem fine on point con. The Thiem game hold him back due to brute force it need. Not quicker in 2017 leaving only brutality and phycal tenacity for improvement over time. Hitting very, very hard in 2017.
 
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