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Sunny014

Legend
Stooping low every day, next step is fed has 4 children while Novak has only 2.
The fact that these athletes discuss money shows that money is important, plus in every profession money is important.

Just accept it buddy, Federer, Jordan, Woods, Mayweather, Schumacher are all massive in their sport and this matters.
 

CCPass

Semi-Pro
I marvel at these logics of yours, your logic is such that a failure in maths becoming a topper in another class under a different teacher? :D Dude a low iq failure in maths remains a fail in any class :p

Even his fans like @Nuclear Warhead said that his dull game in his early years cost his fans and even today the guy who aiming for CYGS has no fans and no brand value, such is the level of dullness in his game, it lacks shine.

Expecting Novak to be greater brand than Fed if both were americans is like expecting Richard Gasquet to be a better player if born in spain and training under tony, LOL, Nothing would change.

Novak is champion with the lease fanfare ever, people just find him second grade.:censored: Can't help it, cannot market something that is so negative. Novak today along with his camp look like a -ve presence .... sorry.
Brand value is associated with commercial potential and market/economy size is a big driving factor behind. Judging from the wall of bs, you clearly know nothing about economics.
 
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Federer remains the highest money minter in Tennis even in 2021 but other sportsmen are beating him there.
What is Novak doing? Isn't he supposed to represent Tennis vs other sportsmen ???
Why no brand value for Novak despite all his success this year?

Even at 40 Federer remains the top Tennis Icon and Brand


You seem to be obsessed with money, how about I send you some or we can start a GoFundMe page for you?
 

Sunny014

Legend
Brand value is associated with commercial potential and market/economy size is a big driving factor behind. Judging from the wall of bs, you clearly know nothing about economics.
I know enough economics to say that a person who is ranked 1 for most of the last 10 years being so far behind Federer (who is also from switzerland, not from america) would still be behind Federer if both were americans

This is common sense which doesn't seem so common in your case.
 

Sunny014

Legend
Roger Federer is now in the 1 Billion $ Club, the first and the only tennis player to enter it. He joins Tiger Woods, Floyd Mayweather, LeBron James, Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi in the 10-figure club.

Guys like Nadal and Novak are still under 500 M $

If Fed was an American then he would be twice as rich

 

CCPass

Semi-Pro
I know enough economics to say that a person who is ranked 1 for most of the last 10 years being so far behind Federer (who is also from switzerland, not from america) would still be behind Federer if both were americans

This is common sense which doesn't seem so common in your case.
Failed.
 

Sunny014

Legend
I had to count money because brand-value is the only way to check who is still the biggest icon, and being the biggest icon is important, the recognition is what makes someone the GOAT, without recognition any achievement is incomplete.

It is not wrong to note that the person who has been the biggest ambassador of Tennis has been responsible for spreading Tennis the most and that person by fault is the best of all time...... otherwise we are down to just counting athletes who were best in their peaks and nothing more, there shall be no GOAT if we don't see brandvalue, every champion has been imposing in their decades, sampras, fed, novak, borg, mcenroe-lendl ... all were ruling different decades, there is no way to PROVE that 1 is better than another, the impact is what shows who is better because crowd knows, more fans means more people consider that player the best.
 

Tennisbg

Professional
Roger Federer is now in the 1 Billion $ Club, the first and the only tennis player to enter it. He joins Tiger Woods, Floyd Mayweather, LeBron James, Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi in the 10-figure club.

Guys like Nadal and Novak are still under 500 M $

If Fed was an American then he would be twice as rich

Even all that money can't make him better player than Novak and Rafa.
 

Sunny014

Legend
Even all that money can't make him better player than Novak and Rafa.
He has more titles and records than them, he always was better than them, it is they who have to strive to become better players than him one day.
 
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Sunny014

Legend
How can you brag about someone else's money:rolleyes:
Come one guys, there should be a limit...
How can you brag of Nadal's slams?
Nadal has won 20 slams, how many have you won? By your logic you should be an ATP player to come here and talk of only your on court achievements.

Federer being the face of tennis even today in 2021 at age 40 instead of the reigning champ who is aiming for CYGS is a big thing that needs to be bragged/highlighted. If the reigning champ aiming for CYGS and having some big records in his kitty is not doing enough for tennis then all those records which you brag about are pointless, this cannot be denied, like @weakera was saying the other day, Novak has poor impact/influence on Tennis !

Thats why Mahut rated Federer ahead of Novak that day when he said Roger's influence over the game is far ahead of Novak's despite Novak's records.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Even if novak was an american he would be behind Fed

Plus if Fed and novak were both americans, novak would be like 1/4th of Fed

Novak is nothing compared to Federer in brand value
According to his fans, Nole would be ahead at everything hypothetically on and off court achievements.
 

Kralingen

Hall of Fame
@Sunny014 since were doing what if’s have you thought about this scenario? Djokovic emerges in 2003 and dominates that era, breaks Pete’s Slam record, has epic Djokovic-Nadal finals in 07-09. He is the established star along with Nadal and then Federer breaks out in 2011.

How do you think that would affect their brands? To me it is the largest single factor, the first mover advantage.
 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
@Sunny014 since were doing what if’s have you thought about this scenario? Djokovic emerges in 2003 and dominates that era, breaks Pete’s Slam record, has epic Djokovic-Nadal finals in 07-09. He is the established star along with Nadal and then Federer breaks out in 2011.

How do you think that would affect their brands? To me it is the largest single factor, the first mover advantage.
What is wrong with you? Why would you put nightmares in my head?
 
@Sunny014 since were doing what if’s have you thought about this scenario? Djokovic emerges in 2003 and dominates that era, breaks Pete’s Slam record, has epic Djokovic-Nadal finals in 07-09. He is the established star along with Nadal and then Federer breaks out in 2011.

How do you think that would affect their brands? To me it is the largest single factor, the first mover advantage.
Economics 101. Unfortunately some can’t comprehend it.
 

Nadal_King

Hall of Fame
Djokovic is dominating tennis when it's Interest is dropping whereas Federer dominated and brought tennis into much more prominence. I admire Djokovic for all his achievements but it is the truth. FEDAL RIVALRY Transcended tennis into mainstream media. For me Djokodal a better rivalry but not enough close to FEDAL in Popularity.
 

mehdimike

Professional
How can you brag of Nadal's slams?
Nadal has won 20 slams, how many have you won? By your logic you should be an ATP player to come here and talk of only your on court achievements.

Federer being the face of tennis even today in 2021 at age 40 instead of the reigning champ who is aiming for CYGS is a big thing that needs to be bragged/highlighted. If the reigning champ aiming for CYGS and having some big records in his kitty is not doing enough for tennis then all those records which you brag about are pointless, this cannot be denied, like @weakera was saying the other day, Novak has poor impact/influence on Tennis !

Thats why Mahut rated Federer ahead of Novak that day when he said Roger's influence over the game is far ahead of Novak's despite Novak's records.
Because his slams are the result of him winning matches. I just care about his on court performance because that is what we enjoy when watching him on the screen from thousands of kms away. Those moments of brilliance are the things that we can appreciate most not his wealth. Only those moments remain with me forever.
 

Sunny014

Legend
@Sunny014 since were doing what if’s have you thought about this scenario? Djokovic emerges in 2003 and dominates that era, breaks Pete’s Slam record, has epic Djokovic-Nadal finals in 07-09. He is the established star along with Nadal and then Federer breaks out in 2011.

How do you think that would affect their brands? To me it is the largest single factor, the first mover advantage.
You think a fellow who let Murray and Stan bully him can dominate 03-07 ? :D :D :D

Safin and Agassi would not let him win all the AOs, look at his pathetic record on rebound ace, it is not like Plexicushion, Novak would take a max 3 slams on rebound Ace before Nadal 09 and peak Fed (2010 now instead of 04) arrived and then game over.

French Open he can maybe win 03 and 04 but then 05 onwards Nadal would arrive ... so thats 2 frenchs

Novak as we know begged before Becker as he was a 1timer on Grass till his 27th birthday, so Nadal-Roddick would be winning wimbledons while Novak struggles until Federer arrives in 2009, then game over .... so Novak would be very lucky to win even 1 slam on grass

US open .... Novak was a pigeon of Fed in 00s, then was a pigeon of Nadal, Murray and Stan there, you think such a fellow will be winning a lot of US opens in the 2000s ???? Roddick and Andre would have their measure and not allow this fellow to win more than 1 or 2 before Federer arrived and cleaned house.

So thats a total of (3 AO) + (1-2 FO) + 1 Wimbledon + 1-2 USO .... A total of 7-8 slams for Novak in his career, like Andre.

Novak is such a weakling that after 2011 he collpased, then his next dominant run came in 2015-2016 then he collapsed, then 2018 onwards he hasnt collapsed because his rivals were all old and collapsed .... You think such a guy would succeed Pete ? :D :D ,...... It is not a f*ckin joke to win back to back to back 2-3 slams every year, Federer did it because he is the freakin GOAT with the highest peak. Understand this basic truth of life, life will be much simpler!

Plus Novak's dull way of playing would never have won him fans after Pete's retirement, you would have seen him have close matches with Safin-Roddick and then struggle with Teenage Nadal's much superior footspeed and then Federer would have arrived and both Federer+Nadal would have buried Novak.

You have some nerve @Kralingen to imagine a reverse scenario, when we know Murrays and Stans troubled Novak in his peak, imagine what a Nadal with more footspeed and next gen Federer can do to Novak ??? ,..... It would be a massacre !!!
 
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You think a fellow who let Murray and Stan bully him can dominate 03-07 ? :D :D :D

Safin and Agassi would not let him win all the AOs, look at his pathetic record on rebound ace, it is not like Plexicushion, Novak would take a max 3 slams on rebound Ace before Nadal 09 and peak Fed (2010 now instead of 04) arrived and then game over.

French Open he can maybe win 03 and 04 but then 05 onwards Nadal would arrive ... so thats 2 frenchs

Novak as we know begged before Becker as he was a 1timer on Grass till his 27th birthday, so Nadal-Roddick would be winning wimbledons while Novak struggles until Federer arrives in 2009, then game over .... so Novak would be very lucky to win even 1 slam on grass

US open .... Novak was a pigeon of Fed in 00s, then was a pigeon of Nadal, Murray and Stan there, you think such a fellow will be winning a lot of US opens in the 2000s ???? Roddick and Andre would have their measure and not allow this fellow to win more than 1 or 2 before Federer arrived and cleaned house.

So thats a total of (3 AO) + (1-2 FO) + 1 Wimbledon + 1-2 USO .... A total of 7-8 slams for Novak in his career, like Andre.

Novak is such a weakling that after 2011 he collpased, then his next dominant run came in 2015-2016 then he collapsed, then 2018 onwards he hasnt collapsed because his rivals were all old and collapsed .... You think such a guy would succeed Pete ? :D :D ,...... It is not a f*ckin joke to win back to back to back 2-3 slams every year, Federer did it because he is the freakin GOAT with the highest peak. Understand this basic truth of life, life will be much simpler!

Plus Novak's dull way of playing would never have won him fans after Pete's retirement, you would have seen him have close matches with Safin-Roddick and then struggle with Teenage Nadal's much superior footspeed and then Federer would have arrived and both Federer+Nadal would have buried Novak.

You have some nerve @Kralingen to imagine a reverse scenario, when we know Murrays and Stans troubled Novak in his peak, imagine what a Nadal with more footspeed and next Federer can do to Novak ??? ,..... It would be a massacre !!!
Another intelligent post backed by....nothing of course.

Don't worry man, Fed is still the most gracious.
 

Sunny014

Legend
Roger Federer owns the Grand Slam Final Streak, Grand Slam Semi Final Streak and Grand Slam Quarter Final Streak, all 3 of it simultanously.

What does that tell you @Kralingen ?

It is the inevitable truth of life, no person in history could/can dominate any era like Federer did because Federer is the best ever, the guy was so consistent every single grand slam played over a period of 5 years of his absolute peak that you should not even dream of Novak succeeding Pete and having a Fed like repo, it is impossible, not just Novak, even Nadal cannot have that sort of a dominance, nobody can.

Those insane streaks exist for a reason reminding us who the champ is !

Slam record will be broken but those 3 precious streaks never will !
 
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Slam record will be broken but those 3 precious streaks never will !
Funny, if someone asked you 2 years ago if the slam record would be broken you would bet your life it would not be. Certainly not by Novak. Besides it would not be fair from Novak to take away all of Fed's records. Fed can have the scraps. All good.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
This is relevant in the GOAT discussion as much as the fact Fed has 4 kids to Novak's 2.
Not to you and other Fed-haters, but according to the international panel of journalists, coaches, historians and industry representatives from all continents, one of the important criteria in evaluating the player's placement in ATG is "Records held or broken(i.e. Consecutive winning streaks)".
 
Not to you and other Fed-haters, but according to the international panel of journalists, coaches, historians and industry representatives from all continents, one of the important criteria in evaluating the player's placement in ATG is "Records held or broken(i.e. Consecutive winning streaks)".
I am not a Fed hater but his fans are not doing him any favors trying to scrape the bottom of the barrel for anything (most of the time irrelevant) to try and present him as the GOAT.

Fact is, he no longer has any relevant tennis records
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
I am not a Fed hater but his fans are not doing him any favors trying to scrape the bottom of the barrel for anything (most of the time irrelevant) to try and present him as the GOAT.

Fact is, he no longer has any relevant tennis records
Yeah, sure buddy.

As for tennis achievements, slam count is the most important criteria, but records/streaks IS still an important criteria in GOAT debate. Only Fed-haters say it's not, but tennis experts and neutral fans beg to differ.
 

Sunny014

Legend
Not to you and other Fed-haters, but according to the international panel of journalists, coaches, historians and industry representatives from all continents, one of the important criteria in evaluating the player's placement in ATG is "Records held or broken(i.e. Consecutive winning streaks)".
Well said., streaks do clearly say who has been the most dominant and most imposing player ever.

Most Qf + Most Semi + Most Finals + also the most slams won at the peak, all say the same thing, the level of Fed was so high that he was the ceiling of tennis. No room for Murray to win USO or Stan to win AO or Murray to win wimbledon in such a phase because no matter how consistent you are, gotta beat Fed in the final to take the trophy, not happening :D

Fed haters don't realize what it means to be so dominant, Novak actually send an SOS to Boris Becker (as said by Boris himself that he recieved a phone call from Novak saying that I am 2 now and don't know how to become 1 again :D )
 
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Yeah, sure buddy.

As for tennis achievements, slam count is the most important criteria, but records/streaks IS still an important criteria in GOAT debate. Only Fed-haters say it's not, but tennis experts and neutral fans beg to differ.
Funny how no one mentioned these record streaks 2-3 years ago. But now when Fed's records came crashing down like a house of cards you are trying to make this relevant.
 

Sunny014

Legend
Novak in no era can dominate like Fed did - REASON !

This is what Novak did after his 2011 year (Most people would have consolidated on the dominance without losing momentum, but in Novak's case this is what happened)

2012 FO - Lost to Nadal (he threw away the dominance on clay that he had got in 2011)
2012 W - Surrendered to Federer in 4 modest sets.
2012 USO - Surrendered to Murray (wow, now that is silly)

2013 AO - Narrowly managed to beat Stan, mind you, he could have lost that match and thus the title.
2013 FO - Lost to Nadal again
2013 W - Murray beat him again
2013 USO - Nadal beat him here, wow, what happend to Novak's 2011 win? ... threw it away?

2014 AO - Stan this time finished the job ;)
2014 FO - Another loss to Nadal

Had Boris not stepped in, Novak was finished, this is what Novak was at his peak =))
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Funny how no one mentioned these record streaks 2-3 years ago. But now when Fed's records came crashing down like a house of cards you are trying to make this relevant.
Actually, the list of criteria was established nearly a decade ago by international panel of journalists, coaches, historians and industry representatives from 6 continents. As a tennis fan, I agree with their list because of the completeness and fairness for every player.
 

Sunny014

Legend
I am not a Fed hater but his fans are not doing him any favors trying to scrape the bottom of the barrel for anything (most of the time irrelevant) to try and present him as the GOAT.

Fact is, he no longer has any relevant tennis records
Like @TMF mentioned earlier, when we discuss great teams or great players we discuss their win streaks.

Like in cricket, when people discuss the Australian cricket team of the 00s and West Indies Team of the 1970s then people recall that Steve Waugh's Australian team with 16 consecutive test matches won broke the record of clive lloyd's west indies's record of 11 test win non stop set decades ago.
Likewise in baseball, NBA and in many sports people discuss win streaks

You must be really naïve and immature to think streaks don't matter, LOL
 
Like @TMF mentioned earlier, when we discuss great teams or great players we discuss their win streaks.

Like in cricket, when people discuss the Australian cricket team of the 00s and West Indies Team of the 1970s then people recall that Steve Waugh's Australian team with 16 consecutive test matches won broke the record of clive lloyd's west indies's record of 11 test win non stop set decades ago.
Likewise in baseball, NBA and in many sports people discuss win streaks

You must be really naïve and immature to think streaks don't matter, LOL

Of course streaks matter just not when it comes to the GOAT debate. Winning and titles matter. For example a team goes on an amazing winning streak but does not win a title....who cares.
 
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