A picture of 3 guys doesn't mean they are friends..I know Pmac greatly disliked Connors.. I just can't divulge all the details here.
Connors never spoke to Krickstein again...?!
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No, he could have started a seniors tour, regardless. He was a tennis god even before '91. But, there's something to be said for "riding the wave"...there was a lot of momentum there. He played the main tour in '92 and then shifted over to the seniors tour. If anything, he got himself back in the public eye, in a BIG way. I mean, he vanished off the scene in early 1990 when his wrist exploded. No one thought he'd come back. And then it kind of built up in '91, starting w/the French match against Chang, which was remarkable....leading all the way up to the USO.
Really? In his bio, PMAC doesn't give you that impression. Seemed like he really liked Jimmy for several years. And, Jimmy was in fact friends with Vitas; that's very well known. Even tho' he was/is an a-hole on court, he went out of his way to help Vitas with his addictions.
I was part of a private conversation when Pmac was head of the USTA so it was quite possible Pmac and Jimmy had a better relationship before that..Also if that were true then; why backstab Jimmy on ESPN?? Yes i know Vitas was friends' with Jimmy..Vitas was friends with Connors, Jmac, Pmac, Borg etc ..but it doesn't mean Connor's was.
harryz
Professional
In 1977 I was a Ball Boy at the Washington Star Tournament ( now Citi Open) in DC. I asked Connors for his autograph and he refused. By contrast, Arthur Ashe stopped for me in a tent for players and press, as I recall, put down his frames and smiled. He gave me a nice signature, with a smile and kind word. Enough said.
At a night match the next year, Connors shouted to a heckler, " Doesn't anybody like Connors?" My dad, who didn't suffer fools or miss a beat, yelled out, " Who the hell is Connors?" It shut that punk up for good
At a night match the next year, Connors shouted to a heckler, " Doesn't anybody like Connors?" My dad, who didn't suffer fools or miss a beat, yelled out, " Who the hell is Connors?" It shut that punk up for good
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Sander001
Hall of Fame
Sander001
Hall of Fame
Certainly I read your post, some tidy anecdotal data you got there.
To clear up your uncertainty: http://assets.usta.com/assets/1/15/2._2013_MG_Prize_Money-Attendance.3.pdf
Anyway, this was about how Connors earned millions from his '91 US Open and I haven't seen anything that disproves what McEnroe said in the documentary.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
So commercialization of tennis will go DOWN in 2015 from 1991?
I was comparing Federer in 2015 versus Connors in 1991.BTW, the popularity of tennis peaked in the U.S. in the 1970's. The top pros were regulars in TV commercials on mainstream major networks touting all sorts of products. How often do you see the top pros in TV commercials today on anything other than Tennis Channel and maybe ESPN?
The US Open used to be attended by mostly locals or US based.. A lot of those increased numbers over the years are international attendees..So endorsements in the US might not be affected..No doubt there were more TV and magazine stuff back in the 70,80,90's. Also maybe because we don't have a Federer in the US.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
Sander, I'm with JCat for being much closer to the actual state of events insofar as the popularity of tennis in the US has declined dramatically from the 70s.
Conversely, the USO (many other US based tennis tournaments have either gone out of business or are struggling) has grown by almost all metrics. But it's success is independent of the popularity of tennis. It's become an "event" in NYC (and beyond) in the same way the Kentucky Derby (to pick a somewhat random example) is popular but doesn't measure the general popularity of horse racing.
I don't think tennis would make the top 15 most popular sports in the US measured either by numbers that play or TV viewership. I don't have the numbers to back that up but I think we could find them. On the other hand, that doesn't mean there aren't big bucks to be made. I also suspect the demographics as far as advertisers are concerned are more lucrative than other more popular sports.
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BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
A $25,000 house in the 70's sells for over $2.5 million today in California. Can you figure out why that is?
Anecdotal it may be, but anybody old enough to remember 70's and 80's tennis, and the media celebrity of its stars, can verify that what I am saying is true. The profile of tennis in America is not what it use to be. More people may be attending the tournaments, but fewer are paying attention overall. I give up on trying to convince YOU. You are a big fan of the modern game. It needs you.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Connors was still playing the main ATP Tour until 1996 so I doubt he started the seniors tour before then. And by then (over 5 years later), I doubt there was any momentum from that ONE match.
Connors' fans knew him from his tremendous success in the 70's and early 80's, and not because of that ONE match.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
I've lived the same "anecdotal" evidence. And it's so strong that I think we could back it up with the numbers if push came to shove.
Also using the financial success of the USO as evidence for the popularity of tennis generally is misleading. It doesn't measure anything other than the popularity of the USO.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Exactly! The second oldest pro tennis tournament in the U.S. (after the US Open) doesn't even exist any more. It's last iteration was the SAP Open.
Sander001
Hall of Fame
The US Open isn't the only tournament whose attendance has soared in recent times. Here's another example but I'm sure you'll find increases across the board.http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/tennis/2009-01-18-grand-slam-attendance_N.htm
Prize money has gone up, so have endorsement deals etc, simply more money flowing into the pro game yet McEnroe is somehow way off base saying that Connors made millions from that match? Funny stuff.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Again, you have not shown EXACTLY which endorsements Connors gained due to ONLY that ONE match and EXACTLY how much money he earned from those endorsements.
Again, if Federer gets to the semis of the 2015 US Open next year, do you expect a flood of new endorsement deals for Federer?
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
Wrong poster, Sorry
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
(1) Attendance at tennis tournaments (generally or specific tournaments).
(2) playing tennis
(3) watching tennis on TV or the web
Specify which one(s) of the three you mean when you refer to the "popularity of tennis" and we can discuss whether it has been increasing or not.
I believe the connection between (1) and the other two is tenuous, at best, and that (2) and (3) are what I mean by "popularity of tennis" but if it means (1) to you then you will certainly find examples of tennis increasing in popularity.
Tennis can be declining in popularity (dramatically so since the 70s, at least in the US) and there can still be an increase in money (even on an inflation adjusted basis) in the pro game. I suspect the endorsement (and prize) money is extremely weighted toward the top few competitors though.
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Sander001
Hall of Fame
McEnroe said it and I take his word for it, there's no onus on me to prove anything. If you don't believe him, that's your problem.
There's about 100 reasons why this is another false equivalence.
I might have to agree with Pmac that Connors made a million on that match..Maybe even more,
According to Wikipedia" His career seemed to be at an end in 1990, when he played only three tournament matches and lost all three, dropping to no. 936 in the world rankings.
When Connors made that comeback run to the semi's in 1991 it was HUGE. Yes he was already a legend, but he reinvented himself to a new generation..I think Connors himself has even said this was his greatest moment..
Who knows how much more he made from coaching Roddick, selling books/tapes/speaking engagements?...I don't think it can be proven but i tend to think that Krickstein match was worth more than a million.
According to Wikipedia" His career seemed to be at an end in 1990, when he played only three tournament matches and lost all three, dropping to no. 936 in the world rankings.
When Connors made that comeback run to the semi's in 1991 it was HUGE. Yes he was already a legend, but he reinvented himself to a new generation..I think Connors himself has even said this was his greatest moment..
Who knows how much more he made from coaching Roddick, selling books/tapes/speaking engagements?...I don't think it can be proven but i tend to think that Krickstein match was worth more than a million.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
McEnroe was probably sensationalizing for TV, just like how he overdid the Connors is a "jerk" bit. I doubt he has any actual proof to substantiate his claim. Unless he means that Connors earned millions in endorsements THROUGHOUT his entire career and not just from that ONE match.
Not in the least. Both Federer and Connors are 5-time US Open ex-champions and had been ranked #1 for long periods of time. In 2015, Federer would have not won the US Open in 7 years (his last title was in 2008 ). In 1991, Connors had not won the US Open in 8 years (his last title was in 1983). Thus, if Federer won't get a flood of new endorsement deals for making the semis of the US Open in 2015, there's no reason that Connors would have either in 1991.
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BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
So you don't think Roddick would have hired Connors as his coach had Connors not won that ONE match? Seriously? And you don't think Connors would have sold any books/tapes/speaking engagements had he not won that ONE match? Seriously?
If Federer never won another match, do you think any up-and-coming player would still want to hire him as their coach? Would anyone still buy Federer's books/tapes/speaking engagements?
yeah I would say that run in general made conners millions. It was said that rafters us open run winning in 97 probably made him about 10 million in endorsements. As great as that run was and as marketable as Patrick was it pretty much pales in comparison to Jimmy's 91 run at the open. His Nupe it with Nuprin add campaign alone was probably pretty high. The the Jimmy conners clothing line did fairly well too. dont forget the estusa frames he was endorsing. Pretty much everyone wanted to at least try that yellow wide body that was so recognizable. appearance fees must have been pretty high as he was marketed more for playing at tournaments than anyone else at the top of the game.
I will say that that 91 us open run was what introduced me to tennis. I had never hit a ball before that tournament and trying to figure out the scoring system was really frustrating. every time they said he won a game I thought it was over LOL. I had to ask my dad to explain it to me and I was still confused. It didnt help that everytime jimmy won a game or set he celebrated like he won the tournament.
after that run i went out and hit around with a friend in high school and was hooked. I quit all other sports (I was a basketball fanatic 5-6 hours a day) and went full bore into tennis. The first day i hit a ball i went two and a half months straight without taking a day off. I pretty much channeled conners intensity on the court (and the wall) and studied the game every way I could. went out and bought a book on tennis technique and went from there. Hours and hours and hours spent playing and training. It pretty much took over my whole life.
as far as the documentary goes. Pretty good. They make conners look like a real jerk but thats not hard to do. Jimmy was one of a kind. People that find it offensive are over sensitive and need not play competitive sports and Definitly not team sports. i was in middle school playing pick up basketball games in downtown where guys would elbow me in the face when i did a layup. One of the guys was Jamaican and would sharpen his fingernails and put clear coat on them so they wouldnt break. He would literally make you bleed when he guarded you. I wont even get started on the trash talk. all this was part of the reason i went to tennis. His antics are pretty mild. I only played adult tournaments when i started tennis so jimmy antics were the norm. they still are if you go play or watch a money tournament. Its part of the game.
Interesting in the piece that Patrick McEnroe lets his ego shine through. he is a bit of a jerk too despite his fake image. I didnt think Krickstein was too bad. Arron has always been like this whining and making excuses. He did when he was on the tour as well. He did have some bad luck with injuries but most of them go through that at one time or another. His post career is pretty typical for ex pro players so I dont feel sorry for him one bit. Dont worry to much about Arron. He is making bank being on court. Arron makes it sound like he was left cold and became a drug addict LOL. Besides.....look at Wilander. He won three majors in one year and he drives around in a bus teaching clinics on the cheap....he loves it. Its always funny how guys complain what a jerk conners is when they lose to him. reminds me of Rios.
As always though Jimmy is a polarizing figure even to this day. Jimmy just gets off on being a troll and likes to push buttons. He basically a likable Jeff Tarango that wins all the time. hes probably the greatest champion the US has ever had in terms of longevity. the closest thing we have had since is hewitt. Think about this though.....hewitt comes back wins slams and gets to #1. then in 6 or seven years after spending a few years in the booth comes back and makes a run to the semis of a major at 39 or 40. its just that unbelievable.
Funny sometimes that people like arthur ashe (who was a passive aggressive egomaniac) get stadiums named after them when he was one of the biggest reasons Jimmy was not even allowed his chance at a grand slam in 74 when he was not allowed to even play the french. having the stadium named after ashe is a joke and always has been. It was a political move by the USTA more than anything.
Looks like Jimmy is doing good though. I love seeing him going up and hitting on the wall after dual hip replacements. His Tennis should come with a warning label comment is pretty hilarious. The footage of him in an empty stadium is a pretty funny attempt to make him look like nobody cares. In reality....If people heard Jimmy was hitting on the wall at Kmart the parking lot would be filled. Thats how big Jimmy is in this sport. Jerk and all.
My advice to tennis fans...get over the jerk stuff. Most professional athletes are all like this they just hide it. Jimmy kind of lets it fly. There are very, very few edbergs and wilanders in tennis that are normal human beings. Tennis is kind of an awkward sport and people that become consumed with it and achieve success are very often awkward when they are thrown into a situation with everyday people. Probably part of the reason they all seem to transition to golf.
In the end only the people close to Jimmy know the real jimmy conners. same goes for most of these players. i do think guys like edberg, wilander, rafter, chang, martin, guerilitas etc were pretty much the real deal though. conners probably has a bit of Jeckle and hide though. the monster comes of when he is around his competition.
Arron needs to get over himself it and pick up the phone if he misses Jimmy. People act like Conners is his father or something LOL. If anything Conners help Arron. Its hard to feel sorry for a guy when a legend like Conners invites some 15 or 16 year old kid to practice and stay at his house. He acts like Jimmy owes him something. I understand what carillo and others are saying but hey....Jimmys not his father or coach.
Besides...look at after the match when jimmy and Krickstein go to the net. Jimmy kisses Arron's hand LOL. Its obvious he had feelings for Arron. I dont think I have ever seen conners make such a jesture after the match. Jimmy probably knew he caused some damage but thats just sports. Jimmy is not going to let opponents win just because they are young and look up to him.
I will say that that 91 us open run was what introduced me to tennis. I had never hit a ball before that tournament and trying to figure out the scoring system was really frustrating. every time they said he won a game I thought it was over LOL. I had to ask my dad to explain it to me and I was still confused. It didnt help that everytime jimmy won a game or set he celebrated like he won the tournament.
after that run i went out and hit around with a friend in high school and was hooked. I quit all other sports (I was a basketball fanatic 5-6 hours a day) and went full bore into tennis. The first day i hit a ball i went two and a half months straight without taking a day off. I pretty much channeled conners intensity on the court (and the wall) and studied the game every way I could. went out and bought a book on tennis technique and went from there. Hours and hours and hours spent playing and training. It pretty much took over my whole life.
as far as the documentary goes. Pretty good. They make conners look like a real jerk but thats not hard to do. Jimmy was one of a kind. People that find it offensive are over sensitive and need not play competitive sports and Definitly not team sports. i was in middle school playing pick up basketball games in downtown where guys would elbow me in the face when i did a layup. One of the guys was Jamaican and would sharpen his fingernails and put clear coat on them so they wouldnt break. He would literally make you bleed when he guarded you. I wont even get started on the trash talk. all this was part of the reason i went to tennis. His antics are pretty mild. I only played adult tournaments when i started tennis so jimmy antics were the norm. they still are if you go play or watch a money tournament. Its part of the game.
Interesting in the piece that Patrick McEnroe lets his ego shine through. he is a bit of a jerk too despite his fake image. I didnt think Krickstein was too bad. Arron has always been like this whining and making excuses. He did when he was on the tour as well. He did have some bad luck with injuries but most of them go through that at one time or another. His post career is pretty typical for ex pro players so I dont feel sorry for him one bit. Dont worry to much about Arron. He is making bank being on court. Arron makes it sound like he was left cold and became a drug addict LOL. Besides.....look at Wilander. He won three majors in one year and he drives around in a bus teaching clinics on the cheap....he loves it. Its always funny how guys complain what a jerk conners is when they lose to him. reminds me of Rios.
As always though Jimmy is a polarizing figure even to this day. Jimmy just gets off on being a troll and likes to push buttons. He basically a likable Jeff Tarango that wins all the time. hes probably the greatest champion the US has ever had in terms of longevity. the closest thing we have had since is hewitt. Think about this though.....hewitt comes back wins slams and gets to #1. then in 6 or seven years after spending a few years in the booth comes back and makes a run to the semis of a major at 39 or 40. its just that unbelievable.
Funny sometimes that people like arthur ashe (who was a passive aggressive egomaniac) get stadiums named after them when he was one of the biggest reasons Jimmy was not even allowed his chance at a grand slam in 74 when he was not allowed to even play the french. having the stadium named after ashe is a joke and always has been. It was a political move by the USTA more than anything.
Looks like Jimmy is doing good though. I love seeing him going up and hitting on the wall after dual hip replacements. His Tennis should come with a warning label comment is pretty hilarious. The footage of him in an empty stadium is a pretty funny attempt to make him look like nobody cares. In reality....If people heard Jimmy was hitting on the wall at Kmart the parking lot would be filled. Thats how big Jimmy is in this sport. Jerk and all.
My advice to tennis fans...get over the jerk stuff. Most professional athletes are all like this they just hide it. Jimmy kind of lets it fly. There are very, very few edbergs and wilanders in tennis that are normal human beings. Tennis is kind of an awkward sport and people that become consumed with it and achieve success are very often awkward when they are thrown into a situation with everyday people. Probably part of the reason they all seem to transition to golf.
In the end only the people close to Jimmy know the real jimmy conners. same goes for most of these players. i do think guys like edberg, wilander, rafter, chang, martin, guerilitas etc were pretty much the real deal though. conners probably has a bit of Jeckle and hide though. the monster comes of when he is around his competition.
Arron needs to get over himself it and pick up the phone if he misses Jimmy. People act like Conners is his father or something LOL. If anything Conners help Arron. Its hard to feel sorry for a guy when a legend like Conners invites some 15 or 16 year old kid to practice and stay at his house. He acts like Jimmy owes him something. I understand what carillo and others are saying but hey....Jimmys not his father or coach.
Besides...look at after the match when jimmy and Krickstein go to the net. Jimmy kisses Arron's hand LOL. Its obvious he had feelings for Arron. I dont think I have ever seen conners make such a jesture after the match. Jimmy probably knew he caused some damage but thats just sports. Jimmy is not going to let opponents win just because they are young and look up to him.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Here we go again--another defense of something that was as much Connors' business and right to comment as the one you are protecting.
Connors tortured no one. He--in the twilight of his career--outplayed Krickstein--the latter lacking the fortitude to overcome a--frankly--superior player.
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PDJ
G.O.A.T.
Actually my comment was a perfectly legitimate response to a post about Connors being a 'private person'. It was written with out malice to the aforementioned poster. You could learn from that.
But I'm perfectly capable of coming back at you with anything you aim at me. Difference being, I can do this with far fewer words, and multiple quotes.
Sander001
Hall of Fame
There are so many reasons and with a simpleton analysis like this that doesn't even begin to touch on anything substantive, it's obvious it's way, way beyond what you're able to fathom.
You are incorrect. He started the seniors tour in 1993 while he was still playing the main tour on a part time basis. Yes, his last ATP match was in '96, but '92 was really his last full time year on the main tour
http://sports.jrank.org/pages/972/Connors-Jimmy-Organized-Champions-Tour.html
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
Oh chundervolley. You just can't help yourself with personal attacks. However, on the plus side, you did keep it mercifully brief, and, with no photos! Well done you. You're making progress.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Amusing how you cannot see the hypocrisy in your posts. Then, that is a not surprising from one likely suffering from an aggression laced disorder--evident in your overt hatred of Connors and his right to discuss his own history.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Yet, you're unable to even start because the comparison is very apt.
You've only followed Federer. You did not follow Connors throughout his entire career. Thus, you can't even start to compare the two.
For example, after their respective last US Open titles, both continued to consistently make the semis and quarters. Connors made the semis in '84, '85, '87, and quarters in '88, '89. Federer made the semis in '10, '11, '14, and the quarters in '12. Thus, Connors making the semis of the US Open in '91 is nothing out of the ordinary, as it would be for Federer in 2015. Heck, Connors made at least the semis of the US Open 14 times in his career (including 12 times in a row!). Would Nadal get a flood of new endorsement deals if he makes another semi of the French Open in 2016?
BTW, Connors won 110 singles titles during his career (the last in 1989 and NONE after that ONE match in 1991). Not even Federer will come anywhere close to that. Let's see if you can "fathom" that.
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BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
So how many matches did Connors play on the seniors tour in 1993?
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
I would suggest you go back and read my original post and the comment I was making. And then, if you can put your personal animosity aside, spell out why you think I shouldn't have the view that a private person should not respect the privacy of others.
As you've oft said, you work in mental health, so I'd be most interested in your professional view.
Thanks in advance.
And I don't hate Connors. How very silly. I don't hate any tennis player I don't know. I dislike some. I thought some of Connors comments in his book unnecessary, as you well know. I disliked his behaviour at times, as with other players. Again, as you well know.
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Sander001
Hall of Fame
You're only covering a fraction of this topic, seems it's far beyond your depth. No wonder you can't understand what Mac was saying.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Oh, I understand what Mac was saying alright. I also understand he has no facts to substantiate what he said. And neither do you.
And not many, if any, could name a current male American player.
It wasn't McEnroe who said in the documentary that Connors made millions off this match. It was Mary Carillo. Her statement was something like "You mean Jimmy Connors made millions off this one match and he's not talking to poor Aaron?" Just thought I should correct you on that since you keep attributing this to McEnroe over and over.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
If you listen to this entire interview, towards the latter part, John McEnroe and Charlie Rose discuss the sad state of the popularity of tennis in the U.S. - and this interview was from the late-90's! When Americans like Sampras, Agassi, Chang, Courier, Martin, etc. were still dominating the sport. It's much, much worse now. Even back then, they lamented that most people couldn't name any players in the Top 10. Compared to the '70's and 80's when just about everyone was knowledgeable about tennis and the sport was immensely more popular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngGmgHHZGi0
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
In that case, all credibility has been thrown out the window. We all know how Mary Carillo loves hyperbole and loves to exaggerate things beyond the wazhoo for shock value. You know how she takes sarcasm to a new level.
Sander001
Hall of Fame
Heh, i forgot who said it, thanks. I stand corrected!
marry is correct as usual. i dont know if it was that one match but certainly Conners made millions off that run. he was a but forgotten in terms of competing on the tour. Most of his time was in the commentary booth.
Marry is not correct in feeling its conners obligation to reach out to Arron. I know where mary is coming from. She has a lot of heart and is a very caring individual. Conners great asset to krickstien was taking him under his wing. he doesnt owe Aaron anything. If he doesnt want to hang out i dont see the big deal. maybe jimmy is more interested in hanging with his own kids since he is a father. i dont ever remember hearing about jimmy being a bad dad.
Its kind of similar to Sampras and Lendl. Ivan did a lot for pete early in his career. I doubt if they hang much these days. its just tennis players useing each other for practice partners where both benefit not some life long commitment.
I don't have a count; according to the article, in 1993 the tour started with 3 tournaments, eventually growing to over 20. He played in nearly all of the tournaments in the beginning.
I suppose there is a difference between being "friendly" and being good friends, right? So, a guy you enjoy practicing with and hanging with from time to time may not be that deeper kind of friendship. Your on good terms, have a beer now and again, but there's no deep connection.
absolutely. I have had practice partners over the years come over to the house and watch some tennis...hang out a little whatever. It doesnt mean you lifelong buddies.
think about it like this. I am sure arron had his fair share of lady friends that he had a good time with through the years. Does he stay in contact with them....probably not....yet he had close intimate experiences with them. i am sure he and jimmy never went that far because JC was a ladies man all the way. The notion that Jimmy owes Arron something is pretty ridiculous. yes they once maybe had a student mentor type bond but that was based on tennis and thats all. Like i said earlier....its like sampras and Lendl.
sometimes it can go the other way though. Vitas is a good example. Relationships are complicated things and even more so with competitors. Often one of the parties needs to take the high road and really put an effort into keeping things active. I am guessing a guy like Vitas was the major initiator in his friendships with guys like conners, McEnroe, Borg etc. etc. He just wouldnt let his friends pull away from him out of shyness or awkwardness. In the end he was doing all those guys a tremendous favor. Tennis lost big when Vitas died. He was an exceptional human being even with what flaws people might perceive he had. He was a non selfish extrovert who was at the same time completely genuine and caring towards his fellow sportsmen. very, very rare in a sport like tennis.
some guys are just loners too....Jimmy, Mcenroe, sampras etc. etc. Its very common in tennis. These guys go through a lot of internal pressure and self exploration throughout there careers. its a selfish sport and hard for guys like this to form real trust bonds with fellow competitors. When their careers are over its a bit easier though.
Some guys are above it all and just do their thing. Edberg was kind of like this. Not really a loaner but he wasnt chumming around with guys on the tour either.
Then there are your extreme loaners. Guys like Rios who was basically a loan wolf and was very awkward and mistrusting of everyone around him. The Media attack campaign on him just seemed to make it worse.
That is funny!!!
Jeez, how many people have called Jimbo exactly that over the years??
Mac has more of a "bad rep" to the masses but Jimmy was often a tool.
Add Lendl, I'm amazed any of the three ever talk to each other, or play the seniors gigs (Yes, call Connors what you want in that...).
I don't put a whole lot of stock in this Aaron/Jimmy feud.
LOL. It does reveal a little about arron. He must be a huge gun fanatic....I fired my first gun at Jimmys LOL. I never knew letting people fire my weapons would make them my friends for life. good for arron though. Guns are very special things. I am always amazed how many tennis players are also gun lovers. Must be something about that particle launching/accelerator at specific targets.
If Jimmy has a sawed off shotgun he must also be an AOW type gun guy. Probably class 3 as well. I wonder what he is carrying concealed these days. I am going to guess a 38 snub nose. Probably a smith and wesson. Arron looks like an AR guy to me.
