Connors never spoke to Krickstein again...?!

THUNDERVOLLEY said:
Amusing how you cannot see the hypocrisy in your posts. Then, that is a not surprising from one likely suffering from an aggression laced disorder--evident in your overt hatred of Connors and his right to discuss his own history.
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...and Connors isn't the only one...

#PTL #JC4Ever

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I wish we could **GASP** gossip about the current players.

Can't we all just get along??

edit: (it was cool when players didn't all just "get along").
 
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struggle said:
I wish we could **GASP** gossip about the current players.

Can't we all just get along??

edit: (it was cool when players didn't all just "get along").
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The problem is people are attacking each other for expressing opinions. I'm a 41 year old American tennis fan and my opinion of Jimmy Connors based on what I see, saw, hear and read is that he is an arrogant jerk of a person. I don't have to provide any sources to this board to "prove" why I feel this way.
 
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jrepac said:
I suppose there is a difference between being "friendly" and being good friends, right? So, a guy you enjoy practicing with and hanging with from time to time may not be that deeper kind of friendship. Your on good terms, have a beer now and again, but there's no deep connection.
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Connors and Krickstein had been good friends for years (since 1983), despite the 15 year age gap between them. After their 1991 US Open match, they drifted apart, firstly because of Krickstein and his father being annoyed with Connors' antics during the match, and secondly because Connors felt that Krickstein was avoiding him, and Connors didn't feel like he needed to give Krickstein any apology. Connors' career on the main tour only lasted another year after that, anyway.

In my life, I've lost touch with some of my one-time best friends, and some not on the greatest of terms. It doesn't mean that I hate them.
 
magnut said:
LOL. It does reveal a little about arron. He must be a huge gun fanatic....I fired my first gun at Jimmys LOL. I never knew letting people fire my weapons would make them my friends for life. good for arron though. Guns are very special things. I am always amazed how many tennis players are also gun lovers. Must be something about that particle launching/accelerator at specific targets.

If Jimmy has a sawed off shotgun he must also be an AOW type gun guy. Probably class 3 as well. I wonder what he is carrying concealed these days. I am going to guess a 38 snub nose. Probably a smith and wesson. Arron looks like an AR guy to me.
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Is there any other revolver worth purchasing other then Smith and Wesson?
 
pmerk34 said:
Is there any other revolver worth purchasing other then Smith and Wesson?
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yeah lots of them. Lots of good snubbies out there if your not brainwashed by brand names and internet trash talk. I carry a charter arms undercover from the 70s on my ankle once in a while and its perfect.

smiths are excellent though. There is just a lot of brand bias out there.
 
magnut said:
yeah lots of them. Lots of good snubbies out there if your not brainwashed by brand names and internet trash talk. I carry a charter arms undercover from the 70s on my ankle once in a while and its perfect.

smiths are excellent though. There is just a lot of brand bias out there.
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There is some panache to owning a Smith and Wesson but I am sure a Ruger, Colt or Charter is just fine as well :)
 
pmerk34 said:
No authorized dealers in NY
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I hear that complaint a lot from the pimps and drug dealers. They are mostly in the city though.

My suggestion would be to move out of that part of the country and take resident in a free gun zone. We can buy machine guns and sound suppressors in these parts. heck...pay for the license and you can even make them.
 
Mustard said:
Connors and Krickstein had been good friends for years (since 1983), despite the 15 year age gap between them. After their 1991 US Open match, they drifted apart, firstly because of Krickstein and his father being annoyed with Connors' antics during the match, and secondly because Connors felt that Krickstein was avoiding him, and Connors didn't feel like he needed to give Krickstein any apology. Connors' career on the main tour only lasted another year after that, anyway.

In my life, I've lost touch with some of my one-time best friends, and some not on the greatest of terms. It doesn't mean that I hate them.
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I don't know; I have to wonder how close they really were. Aaron's father should've stayed out of it. These are adult men. And, Aaron should've manned up and put his big boy pants on...I mean really. He knew what Jimmy was all about...what did he expect? And Jimmy won the match with his exceptional play down the stretch, period. Aaron had a 5-2 lead. It's his own GD fault he lost. He had no answers for the constant Connors attack. The end.
 
jrepac said:
I don't know; I have to wonder how close they really were. Aaron's father should've stayed out of it. These are adult men. And, Aaron should've manned up and put his big boy pants on...I mean really. He knew what Jimmy was all about...what did he expect? And Jimmy won the match with his exceptional play down the stretch, period. Aaron had a 5-2 lead. It's his own GD fault he lost. He had no answers for the constant Connors attack. The end.
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Correct, and Jimmy Connors was and still is a major league jerk in my estimation.
 
pmerk34 said:
Correct, and Jimmy Connors was and still is a major league jerk in my estimation.
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i agree 100%

i will say conners has to be one of the most likable jerks in tennis history. there are times he is such an horses rear that I just crack up. Even in that interview he had me laughing. he has a pretty unique sense of humor. its so over the top egomaniac I dont think a lot of people get it. his career was full of it. i will never forget him crossing the net and wiping out the mark on clay before the ump could check it and then laughing at his opponent LOL. You sit there and watch it and say.....did he just do what i think he did????? how is that legal? who does he think he is?

jimmy is one of a kind. you just have to accept him the way he is and go along for the ride.
 
magnut said:
i agree 100%

i will say conners has to be one of the most likable jerks in tennis history. there are times he is such an horses rear that I just crack up. Even in that interview he had me laughing. he has a pretty unique sense of humor. its so over the top egomaniac I dont think a lot of people get it. his career was full of it. i will never forget him crossing the net and wiping out the mark on clay before the ump could check it and then laughing at his opponent LOL. You sit there and watch it and say.....did he just do what i think he did????? how is that legal? who does he think he is?

jimmy is one of a kind. you just have to accept him the way he is and go along for the ride.
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Erasing the clay mark was hilarious.
 
i think nastase pulled this trick on laver once and then laver did it back to him. I remember reading about it somewhere but have never seen it.

can you imagine if a player did that now? sponsors would drop them and there would be calls for banning from the game LOL. Jimmy would be an absolute hoot in this modern game. His PR handlers would be having nervous breakdowns. I can only imagine......Jimmy you cant do that it offends the opponents fan base..........F His fans, they can suck it! LOL.
 
jrepac said:
I don't know; I have to wonder how close they really were. Aaron's father should've stayed out of it. These are adult men. And, Aaron should've manned up and put his big boy pants on...I mean really. He knew what Jimmy was all about...what did he expect? And Jimmy won the match with his exceptional play down the stretch, period. Aaron had a 5-2 lead. It's his own GD fault he lost. He had no answers for the constant Connors attack. The end.
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You are correct: Krickstein was (we have to imagine) some sort of adult, but he needed daddy to defend him against phantom mistreatment. After knowing Connors for so long, the elder player's style and approach to matches should not have come as a surprise. Krickstein supporters seem to be bitter that he did not benefit from being more than the big loser in a memorable match.
 
THUNDERVOLLEY said:
You are correct: Krickstein was (we have to imagine) some sort of adult, but he needed daddy to defend him against phantom mistreatment. After knowing Connors for so long, the elder player's style and approach to matches should not have come as a surprise. Krickstein supporters seem to be bitter that he did not benefit from being more than the big loser in a memorable match.
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maybe Arron made a move on Patty. I sure as hell would of.
 
magnut said:
i think nastase pulled this trick on laver once and then laver did it back to him. I remember reading about it somewhere but have never seen it.

can you imagine if a player did that now? sponsors would drop them and there would be calls for banning from the game LOL. Jimmy would be an absolute hoot in this modern game. His PR handlers would be having nervous breakdowns. I can only imagine......Jimmy you cant do that it offends the opponents fan base..........F His fans, they can suck it! LOL.
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that's what made watching him and Mac so much fun...you just didn't know what they were going to do....a simmering pot waiting to boil over. HA...they would not know how to handle guys like this nowadays....they'd plotz. How did Ashe say it? "Connors is an A-#ole but my favorite A-#ole"?
 
magnut said:
i agree 100%

i will say conners has to be one of the most likable jerks in tennis history. there are times he is such an horses rear that I just crack up. Even in that interview he had me laughing. he has a pretty unique sense of humor. its so over the top egomaniac I dont think a lot of people get it. his career was full of it. i will never forget him crossing the net and wiping out the mark on clay before the ump could check it and then laughing at his opponent LOL. You sit there and watch it and say.....did he just do what i think he did????? how is that legal? who does he think he is?

jimmy is one of a kind. you just have to accept him the way he is and go along for the ride.
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The Connors kick:

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newpball said:
The Connors kick:

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:grin:
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good stuff. Reminds me of the time muster ran after "Brave Tim" at the Us Open in 97 trying to swat him with his "TOMS REACH MACHINE" racquet. it didnt reach far enough though and he lost. Rumor has it he was going to develop a TOMS REACH MACHINE EXTRA LONG 29" frame after that match. Tim was said to be avoiding him a lot before Muster retired. too bad because Muster probably would have won wimbledon with that 29" frame.
 
magnut said:
good stuff. Reminds me of the time muster ran after "Brave Tim" at the Us Open in 97 trying to swat him with his "TOMS REACH MACHINE" racquet.
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I was at that match ! Must have been the first year Ashe was open because I remember sitting courtside on Ashe on the Southeast sideline. Boy that Stadium still sucks just as bad as the year it opened.
 
I saw him play in 1978-1979. He was an amazing player. He would hit hard and deep in the court, pushing many players way back indoors on the WCT Tour. You could hear his Converse All Stars squeaking all over the court with his stellar footwork.

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Bjorn Borg said of Jimmy Connors and I'm paraphrasing, "They loved to watch Jimmy, because he was always fighting..for Jimmy every point was like a match point. To beat Jimmy you always had to play your best tennis and they loved watching him because he was such a fighter."
 
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magnut said:
i think nastase pulled this trick on laver once and then laver did it back to him. I remember reading about it somewhere but have never seen it.

can you imagine if a player did that now? sponsors would drop them and there would be calls for banning from the game LOL. Jimmy would be an absolute hoot in this modern game. His PR handlers would be having nervous breakdowns. I can only imagine......Jimmy you cant do that it offends the opponents fan base..........F His fans, they can suck it! LOL.
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There is the doubles match - posted elsewhere- where Nastase (playing with Borg) erases a mark. His opponent, Ashe (playing with Laver) returns the compliment later.
 
Loved the 30/30 as a younger fan. Not having seen it first hand.

I couldn't believe it. Seriously Jimmy WTF?
 
I think there is a misunderstanding here.

TahoeTennis said:
another perspective:

gary oxley says:

November 24, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Well Observed Dan . The 30/30 piece was interesting in that it allowed the viewer to reach the conclusion that it was Aarons loss to Jimmy in that 1991 Open and perhaps the manner in which he lost the match , that brought the curtain down on his career . Aaron himself abetted that by also lamenting the loss of Gullikson as his coach within a short time frame as well as mentioning his subsequent jobs once retired from the tour . That did Connors no favours at all in my opinion . The fact that Connors had seemingly shunned Krickstein in the aftermath of the match is also damning of Jimmy but not as revelatory as most would have us believe . One minute Connors is portrayed as a guy that no-one wanted to have as a friend and then ‘kricker’ seems to bemoan the lack of empathy from a good friend !!!!!! So I was confused at the end . I certainly gain the impression that Aaron Krickstein is an engaging and articulate guy and that Jimmy is just ,well ………Jimmy !! Cheers.
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The person you are quoting here is the administrator of a Jimmy Connors fan group. He was surprised when I told him you were using his quote to represent Connors as the bad guy in this Connors/Krickstein saga. That is not how he meant it at all. He was trying to point out how the show was orchestrated to produce sympathy for Krickstein. The show made it seem that the downfall of Krickstein's career began with this match, especially because his coach dropped him soon after. In reality, his career lasted for several more years until injuries got the better of him. He also wanted to point out the irony of the show portraying Connors as an a-hole that couldn't be friends with other players, but then seeming to show Krickstein being so hurt by the loss of the friendship. Krickstein clearly showed his resentment of Connors' behavior during the match, even years later, so why would it be a surprise that the two didn't remain friends? Connors implied in his book that Krickstein had avoided him afterward. He also seemed to think that maybe Krickstein wanted an apology, and that wasn't going to happen. Actually, who knows, maybe it might now that the two of them are reuniting for a charity event in a couple weeks at the Country Club where Krickstein is employed.
 
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TahoeTennis said:
Ok, just watched "this is what they want" on Netflix and now I dislike Connors even more, if that is possible.

He and Aaron Krickstein were friends, good friends before their famous match. I mean the kind of friends where Krickstein would come over and the first time he even fired a gun was at Jimmy's. They obviously knew each other's games very well.

Anyway, after THE match, Jimmy NEVER EVER reached out to Aaron.

From that ONE MATCH, Jimmy made millions, MILLIONS of dollars and you would think he would at least give him a call, or say hello, like any decent FRIEND would do.

I have to agree with PMac in calling Connors a definite a*****e.
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It is completely irrelevant that they were friends. This was an important tennismatch where both wanted to win so Connors doesn't owe Krickstein anything.
The fact that Connors made millions is irrelevant as well as Connors was a millionaire already and this was just a bonus which he accomplished himself(Krickstein did not exactly help him either to earn these millions) Krickstein just cries and complains too much. Not surprising that he wasted his talent with that kind of mentality.
 
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TahoeTennis said:
Sad display of gamesmanship indeed.

Quote: "Jimmy knew Krick like to play fast. He STALLED so hard after that second set tiebreaker, it was pathetic. Here is proof and it is documented in the show:

1. 3 new racquets
2. 3 shoe changes
3. 5 Spray treatments for knee
4. 16 Water bottle ill ups
5. 66 trips to the towel

that's what Chris Fowler called "emptying the kitchen sink.

Jimmy tortured Krickstein, the Ref and the fans loved him for it.
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That's shiv worthy.
 
TahoeTennis said:
Sad display of gamesmanship indeed.

Quote: "Jimmy knew Krick like to play fast. He STALLED so hard after that second set tiebreaker, it was pathetic. Here is proof and it is documented in the show:

1. 3 new racquets
2. 3 shoe changes
3. 5 Spray treatments for knee
4. 16 Water bottle ill ups
5. 66 trips to the towel

that's what Chris Fowler called "emptying the kitchen sink.

Jimmy tortured Krickstein, the Ref and the fans loved him for it.
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i dont see alot wrong with this on jimmys part if the umpire is letting him get away with this. if anyones to blame i think its the umpire for not doing his job, and thats who aaron should be upset with. and if jimmy knew aaron loved to play fast, why would he cater to that?
 
THUNDERVOLLEY said:
You are correct: Krickstein was (we have to imagine) some sort of adult, but he needed daddy to defend him against phantom mistreatment. After knowing Connors for so long, the elder player's style and approach to matches should not have come as a surprise. Krickstein supporters seem to be bitter that he did not benefit from being more than the big loser in a memorable match.
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Krickstein has supporters?
 
big ted said:
i dont see alot wrong with this on jimmys part if the umpire is letting him get away with this. if anyones to blame i think its the umpire for not doing his job, and thats who aaron should be upset with. and if jimmy knew aaron loved to play fast, why would he cater to that?
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Both are to blame.
 
pmerk34 said:
Krickstein has supporters?
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I've got several of his 5-setters on DVD, and they are great. His wins over Edberg at the 1988 US Open and the 1995 Australian Open, were excellent. He seemed to thrive on the close, tight situations of the matches, when it was "do or die". Krickstein is 27-8 in matches that went into a fifth set, including 10 wins from 0-2 down in sets. The irony is that Krickstein is most remembered for one of the matches where he lost in the fifth set.
 
Mustard said:
I've got several of his 5-setters on DVD, and they are great. His wins over Edberg at the 1988 US Open and the 1995 Australian Open, were excellent. He seemed to thrive on the close, tight situations of the matches, when it was "do or die". Krickstein is 27-8 in matches that went into a fifth set, including 10 wins from 0-2 down in sets. The irony is that Krickstein is most remembered for one of the matches where he lost in the fifth set.
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+1

Krick was one of the most clutch players in tennis history. For a guy with so many injuries, he played some amazing, courageous ball. World #6, many weeks in top 10, wins over almost all the top players of the era.

I get a kick out of whenever a player is trying to come back from 0-2 down in a major. The announcers always talk about Aaron, his multiple successes in doing that and his stellar 5-set record.

Then the player on TV fails to complete the comeback. It's really hard to do. A true testament to Aaron's never say die approach. He was relentless.

I'm (still) a huge fan. My user name is a nod to this skinny kid from Michigan.
 
JCat said:
Sander001 said:
Nearly as ignorant as not being able to contextualize. Prize money and earnings have increased exponentially since the 70's, try to figure out why that is.[/QUOTE

This may be hard for you to understand or accept, but just because prize money has gotten bigger in tennis does not mean the game is more popular than it's ever been. I can only speak for my experience as a tennis fan in the United States; I don't know what it is like in other parts of the world, but tennis used to be way bigger in the 70's and 80's than it is now. I lived it. I saw it. More people actually played tennis. There were tennis courts in every neighborhood, and people actually waited in line to use the courts. You won't see that much anymore. The local television news actually used to cover tennis in the nightly newscast, and not just the Major tournaments either. The television ratings were higher back then too. Players like Evert, Connors, and McEnroe were big time celebrities. They were frequent guests on talk shows, and their names were often in the tabloid magazines. All in all, tennis just seemed more important. People talked about it. Tennis is just a niche sport now in the United States. Few people outside of hard core tennis fans really seem to care about it anymore, and it is going to get worse. There don't seem to be any American stars on the horizon, nobody who can match Connors, Evert, McEnroe, and Agassi anyway.
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you hit the nail on the head.
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my favorite line from the 30 for 30 was Jim Currier who said " there were about 12 people pulling for me and I got them all free tickets". I thought that was great
 
realplayer said:
It is completely irrelevant that they were friends. This was an important tennismatch where both wanted to win so Connors doesn't owe Krickstein anything.
The fact that Connors made millions is irrelevant as well as Connors was a millionaire already and this was just a bonus which he accomplished himself(Krickstein did not exactly help him either to earn these millions) Krickstein just cries and complains too much. Not surprising that he wasted his talent with that kind of mentality.
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Connors didn't owe Aaron anything? is this how you treat friends? Like you owe them something? Krickstein didn't cry - he pointed out a weird fact. You don't think it's odd that two guys who were friends were suddenly not over a tennis match and it was all one sided? Aaron can't be hurt that Jimmy dropped him like a bad habit after that match? Are you a robot?
 
Aaron was so annoyed and angered by Connors lack of "sportsmen ship" that he wanted nothing to do with him. Everybody loved Connors on the court, but off the court, he was a pretty lousy-riot human being on every front. He does not hold back in his autobiography either.
 
dgold44 said:
Aaron was so annoyed and angered by Connors lack of "sportsmen ship" that he wanted nothing to do with him. Everybody loved Connors on the court, but off the court, he was a pretty lousy-riot human being on every front. He does not hold back in his autobiography either.
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I remember a line in Agassi's book about Jimmy having always someone carrying his tennis bags to the court like he was Julius Caesar. I thought that was pretty clever.
 
Krickstein has aged extremely well. That is amazing in Florida!!!
Glad he lost his 80's crazy hair stuff but he is a good looking guy.

Cannot say the same for Brad Gilbert. Man that guy gets older every week.
 
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