Rosewall beat Laver in 71,72 finals and for third place in 73 WCT. I did not know there was a third place final ever at the USO. Learn something every day-LOL!
Connors's special events
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If you go on ATP database, I added all the 3rd place finals.
There are a lot actually
The only one who may know this, which matches of Davis Cup the ATP count as official ones?
What is your source about Yokohama? Because Sydney Morning Herald from 2 May 1986 says this:
"EXHIBITION MATCH In Tokyo Jimmy Connors (US) b Bjorn Borg (Swed) 6-0 4-6 6-3"
At the same time a Memphis newspaper says on 3 May that Connors beat Borg in Tokyo 4-6 6-2 6-4, also not specifying whether it is "today", "yesterday" or days ago.
I suppose the first match was held probably on 1 May and the second on 2 May.
In addition some US newspapers wrote on 1 May that "Retired Swedish superstar Bjorn Borg eyes the ball as he makes a backhand return to Jimmy Connors during the Dream Match in Tokyo, Japan. Borg lost the match 6-0, 6-4, 6-3." Due to the very different time zones US-Aus this match should have been held on 30 April. As you see, theoretically it's possible that this match is the same as the first one (very close scores). For now I think it's a different match.
So, I think these were the 3 exos in Japan. At least the papers say they were in Tokyo. For now I count these matches as follows:
30 April - 6-0 6-4 6-3
1 May - 6-0 4-6 6-3
2 May - 4-6 6-2 6-4
I would be glad if you have another info.
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Hi Ivan, it's been a while since I did more research, every now and then I come across some movies on youtube.
So I accidentally discovered this match when I had lost hope.
The japanese person who posted the match on the net responded to a question from a poster stating that it was a match played in Yokohama, Kanagawa.
My only source is that japanese man.
Connors and Borg competed in Japan for three nights in a row.
In a match I had found details and also the result 4-6 6-2 6-4.
Now that the second result is clear (highlighted at the end of the film) even if there is no certainty of the city, a result is still missing.
6-0 6-4 6-3 looks like this to me, frankly I don't know if that's correct.
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big ted
Legend
those commentators sure like to talk... i guess in japan its not rude to talk in middle of a point lol
The match you found was played on the 30th.
The 60 64 63 match doesn’t exist, it’s just a typo of the 60 46 63 match you found.
I have also the third match but I won’t post it here for the reasons that you know.
KG, don't loose your hope. Year after year a new info is found. So step by step. Only a few stuff is not clear which is not a big problem.
The match could be in Yokohama. Could the newspapers be not so precise? Yes, they could.
Borg is unrecognisable both in looks and in playing style. I remember McEnroe saying in his book that when he played Borg in an exhibition in 1986 Borg could no longer hit a tennis ball like he used to. In fact he says the difference was massive between the exhibitions they played in 1983.
big ted
Legend
borg was so likeable and revered , i think connors and mac did what they could to make him look good on the court..
if it were someone like lendl i dont think mac/connors would mind thrashing him lol..
Borg losing a 6-0 set to Connors is a bit shocking; he was making a ton of errors in that set. Guess rust was setting in quicker than expected.
big ted
Legend
yea and i assume connors took his foot off the pedal after that
I agree both John and Jimmy could have slaughtered Borg in the echos in 1986 if they wanted to.
If the Borg of say 78 to early 81 was to have played the Borg of 1986 it would have been a massacre, probably 6-1 6-0.
I found an interview with a golf and tennis event planner in Napa Valley (Marty James), where he explains that he organized a performance in 1981 involving Connors.
I’ve had the time of my life covering sports in the Napa Valley, everything ranging from summer youth baseball at the Veterans Home of California’s Cleve Borman Field in Yountville to sprint car racing at the Napa County Fairgrounds’ Calistoga Speedway to a tennis match in September of 1981 between Jimmy Connors and Ilie Nastase. Played before a big crowd at Silverado, Connors, ranked №3 in the world at the time, beat Nastase, 6–4, 6–4, at the Harvest Cup at Silverado.
In Napa Valley, Jimmy had won an exhibition always entitled Harvest Cup also the previous year against Tanner (Wikipedia credits him with a tournament but in reality it was an exhibition match).
I’ve had the time of my life covering sports in the Napa Valley, everything ranging from summer youth baseball at the Veterans Home of California’s Cleve Borman Field in Yountville to sprint car racing at the Napa County Fairgrounds’ Calistoga Speedway to a tennis match in September of 1981 between Jimmy Connors and Ilie Nastase. Played before a big crowd at Silverado, Connors, ranked №3 in the world at the time, beat Nastase, 6–4, 6–4, at the Harvest Cup at Silverado.
In Napa Valley, Jimmy had won an exhibition always entitled Harvest Cup also the previous year against Tanner (Wikipedia credits him with a tournament but in reality it was an exhibition match).
Je recherche toujours les résultats suivants pour Jimmy Connors :
-1971 Palm Springs -V contre Segura et Olmedo.Scores ?
-1986 Amelia Island (14/11/09)- V contre Arias. Score ?
-1981 San Diego (Exh.) - V contre Nastase score ?
-1985 Orlando (24/3/85 - (Exh.) c. Lendl (allusion dans l'art. Orlando Sentinel le 6/9/91) ?
-1986 Tokyo (2 ou 3/05) - (Exh.) V c. Borg. Score ?
-1991 Düsseldorf (en déc.) - (Exh.) c Stich ; résultat ?
-1991 Lille (sept. après US Open) - Match exh. c, ?
-1992 Le Pontet (Fr.) (Nov. ?)- Exh. c ; Nastase/Vilas/Santoro. Résultats ?
-1994 Richmond c.McEnroe - (Exh.). Résultat ? (Daily Press du 25/9 y fait allusion)
-2000 Norfolk (22 ou 24/06) c. McEnroe - Exh. "The Miracle Match" (allusion dans le Daily Press)
-1971 Palm Springs -V contre Segura et Olmedo.Scores ?
-1986 Amelia Island (14/11/09)- V contre Arias. Score ?
-1981 San Diego (Exh.) - V contre Nastase score ?
-1985 Orlando (24/3/85 - (Exh.) c. Lendl (allusion dans l'art. Orlando Sentinel le 6/9/91) ?
-1986 Tokyo (2 ou 3/05) - (Exh.) V c. Borg. Score ?
-1991 Düsseldorf (en déc.) - (Exh.) c Stich ; résultat ?
-1991 Lille (sept. après US Open) - Match exh. c, ?
-1992 Le Pontet (Fr.) (Nov. ?)- Exh. c ; Nastase/Vilas/Santoro. Résultats ?
-1994 Richmond c.McEnroe - (Exh.). Résultat ? (Daily Press du 25/9 y fait allusion)
-2000 Norfolk (22 ou 24/06) c. McEnroe - Exh. "The Miracle Match" (allusion dans le Daily Press)
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Connors beat Borg 6-0 in a set at 1981 Wimbledon, the first set. Borg won 0-6, 4-6, 6-3, 6-0, 6-4.
-1986 Amelia Island 6-4 6-2
-1981 San Diego 1-6 6-3 6-2
-1985 (24/3/85 - (Exh.), it's not Orlando, it's Kissimmee, Orange Lake Country Club, Lendl b. Connors 6-4 6-2
-1986 Tokyo
30.4.1986 6-0 4-6 6-3
2.5.1986 4-6 6-2 6-4
-1994 Richmond McEnroe b. Connors 6-3 7-5
-2000 Norfolk McEnroe b. Connors 6-3 6-4
Where did you read about matches in Dusseldorf, Lille and Le Pontet?
Merci pour toutes ces précisions. Pour Tokyo, il nous manque toujours le résultat du 3e match.
-Concernant Lille 1991 sur le site "JC histoire du tennis" ( JC canalblog.com) un art du 7/09/2004 narrant l'épopée de JC à l'US Open 1991 se termine par "il est parti en France faire une exhibition à Lille où on lui a fait une ovation formidable"
-Le Pontet 1992 (sept. ?) "FFT Comité départemental du Vaucluse de Tennis" voir sur le site "le Pont des générations" Historique à 1992 où sont cités ces exh. (sans les scores, hélas). Je les avais contactés : ils ont perdu toutes leurs archives et ne savent plus quels étaient les résultats. A retrouver dans la presse locale ?
-Dusseldorf c Stich 1991 (déc.?) (Coupe des nations ?-Fuji Film super tennis ) : est mentionné l'existence d'un DVD "matches de tennis sur DVD-tennis sur DVD-overblog" entre JC et Stich
- J'oubliais ; 1996 Genève, il y a eu aussi une exh. entre JC et Noah- score inconnu (idem un DVD la propose)
-Concernant Lille 1991 sur le site "JC histoire du tennis" ( JC canalblog.com) un art du 7/09/2004 narrant l'épopée de JC à l'US Open 1991 se termine par "il est parti en France faire une exhibition à Lille où on lui a fait une ovation formidable"
-Le Pontet 1992 (sept. ?) "FFT Comité départemental du Vaucluse de Tennis" voir sur le site "le Pont des générations" Historique à 1992 où sont cités ces exh. (sans les scores, hélas). Je les avais contactés : ils ont perdu toutes leurs archives et ne savent plus quels étaient les résultats. A retrouver dans la presse locale ?
-Dusseldorf c Stich 1991 (déc.?) (Coupe des nations ?-Fuji Film super tennis ) : est mentionné l'existence d'un DVD "matches de tennis sur DVD-tennis sur DVD-overblog" entre JC et Stich
- J'oubliais ; 1996 Genève, il y a eu aussi une exh. entre JC et Noah- score inconnu (idem un DVD la propose)
Well, I don't know about Lille and Le Pontet. Maybe you need to look at some local papers.
Dusseldorf - it can't be Nations cup or WTC, they were held in May. But Connors didn't play vs Stich on Nations cup or WTC
Geneve - it was held on 2 Dec in Geneve Arena but I can't find any scores
In the last two years I have done less research but after so many years I have found the scores of what is probably the last missing tournament won by Connors, the Kiva Classic 1984.
It was an not-sanctioned tournament played in Beaver Creek, Colorado.
Beaver Creek Kiva Classic
Q : Tanner 6-4 6-2
S : Scanlon 6-2 6-2
F : Curren 6-2 2-6 6-1
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You are good, deserve a bottle of wine!
I miss only the quarters' scores and opponents. The other winners in the quarters (next to Connors) are Curren, Scanlon and Wilander.
The semis are:
Connors - Scanlon and Curren-Wilander 6-4 6-4
I found these results (Colorado Historic Neawspapers)
1R
Gunthardt - Stockton 6-4 7-6
Denton - Nystroem 6-4 6-2
Q
Wilander - Nastase 6-3 7-5
Curren - Gunthardt 7-6 7-5
Scanlon - Denton 6-7 6-3 6-2
Connors - Tanner 6-4 6-2
SF
Curren - Wilander 6-4 6-4
Connors - Scanlon 6-2 6-2
With the inclusion of the 1984 Beaver Creek not-sanctioned title, Connors total tournament wins are 150 (109 ATP + 41 not-sanctioned).
Starting from the Wikipedia data, the total is as follows:
149 (109 ATP + 40 not-sanctioned)
+ 1 (Palm Springs 1971)
+ 1 (Modesto 1970, a amateurs tournament)
+ 1 (Beaver Creek 1984)
- Asuncion 1979 (not won, but runner-up)
- Napa Valley 1980 (exhibition match v Tanner, not tournament)
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150 (109 ATP + 41 not-sanctioned)
Lendl won 151 tournaments but include a success in Zurich in 1990 against Sampras on which I can find no evidence.
Basically it is not clear whether it is a tournament or an exhibition match.
There is still a lot of confusion about the winners singles titles record so I will open a thread to summarize the records that are more than one.
Starting from the Wikipedia data, the total is as follows:
149 (109 ATP + 40 not-sanctioned)
+ 1 (Palm Springs 1971)
+ 1 (Modesto 1970, a amateurs tournament)
+ 1 (Beaver Creek 1984)
- Asuncion 1979 (not won, but runner-up)
- Napa Valley 1980 (exhibition match v Tanner, not tournament)
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150 (109 ATP + 41 not-sanctioned)
Lendl won 151 tournaments but include a success in Zurich in 1990 against Sampras on which I can find no evidence.
Basically it is not clear whether it is a tournament or an exhibition match.
There is still a lot of confusion about the winners singles titles record so I will open a thread to summarize the records that are more than one.
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You are perfect. I thought they were 8 men, they were 10.
Wiki is not the right place for data. Many errors.
For Connors I have 151 (42 not sanctioned) titles in singles, 2 team and 21 in doubles.
For Lendl I have 153 (59 not sanctioned) titles in singles, 3 team and 7 in doubles.
Zurich is very clear - no tournament, 1 match.
Yes Ivan, Wikipedia has many errors but it is the best known starting point.
In order not to list all the tournaments again, I thought it best to add and remove from that list that many here have seen.
KG, I don't know what list is published. Here are the 42 not sanctioned of Connors:
YEAR TOURNAMENT CITY
1970 MODESTO MODESTO
1971 PALM SPRINGS PRO PALM SPRINGS
1971 N.C.A.A. TOURNAMENT SOUTH BEND
1972 NOTTINGHAM ROUND ROBIN NOTTINGHAM
1972 OCEAN PINES INTERNATIONAL OCEAN PINES
1978 GUNZE WORLD TENNIS TOKYO
1978 CLUB OBRAS SANITARIAS BUENOS AIRES
1978 KENT OPEN BECKENHAM
1978 LUZERN INDOOR LUZERN
1979 RIO DE JANEIRO INVITATIONAL RIO DE JANEIRO
1979 CLARIN CUP BUENOS AIRES
1980 SUNTORY CUP TOKYO
1980 BRAUN TENNIS CUP MUNICH
1980 CARRE d'AS FREJUS
1980 LOUISVILLE TENNIS CLASSIC LOUISVILLE
1980 MAZDA SUPER CHALLENGE MELBOURNE
1981 SUNTORY CUP TOKYO
1981 MICHELOB LIGHT CHALLENGE ROSEMONT
1981 ISRAEL GOLDEN RAQUET INVITATIONAL TEL AVIV
1982 MICHELOB LIGHT CUP INDUSTRY HILLS
1982 MOLSON LIGHT CHALLENGE 2nd MONTREAL
1982 NASTASE-HAMPTONS INVITATIONAL NORTH MIAMI BEACH
1983 SUN CITY TENNIS CHALLENGE SUN CITY
1983 NASTASE-HAMPTONS INVITATIONAL NORTH MIAMI BEACH
1983 SUNTORY CUP TOKYO
1983 OKLAHOMA OPEN TULSA
1983 CHALLENGE OF CHAMPIONS ROSEMONT
1983 NEWPORT BEACH CLASSIC NEWPORT BEACH
1983 MOLSON LIGHT CHALLENGE TORONTO
1983 ATLANTIC CITY INVITATIONAL ATLANTIC CITY
1983 LABATT'S INVITATIONAL VANCOUVER
1983 BEAVER CREEK TENNIS CLASSIC BEAVER CREEK
1984 BEAVER CREEK TENNIS CLASSIC BEAVER CREEK
1985 STOWE HEAD CLASSIC STOWE
1985 BANK OF OKLAHOMA TENNIS CLASSIC TULSA
1985 KIVA TENNIS CLASSIC BEAVER CREEK
1985 SEIKO SUPER TENNIS ST. LOUIS
1986 BANK OF OKLAHOMA TENNIS CLASSIC TULSA
1986 DuPONT ALL AMERICAN TENNIS CH. AMELIA ISLAND
1986 SUNTORY CUP TOKYO
1987 BEAVER CREEK TENNIS CLASSIC BEAVER CREEK
1989 NIMES INVITATIONAL NIMES
Have in mind that South Bend in 1971 is a collegiate tournament. So, it could be included, it could be not. If somebody counts the men's singles titles SB shouldn't be counted. I am counting it only for the Connors' history. Normally the collegiate titles are not counted for the records.
This is pure gold.
I didn't know this tournament existed.
Do you know who Connors beat to win the title?
The tournaments you listed are mine with the addition of Montepellier 1979 (final b. McEnroe), but surely you will have contacted him.
I don't count South Bend 1971, so for me Connors stops at 151.
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Seiko was an indoor tournament held 3-5 Oct 1985 at Kiel Auditorium
3.10.1985 Quarters, Connors beat Gullicson 6-1 6-3
4.10. Semis, C. beat Krickstein 6-2 7-5
5.10. Final, C. beat Gilbert 6-4 6-3
NO Connors title in Montpellier. Montpellier was just one stop of the round robin tournament called in the media "Exhibition tennis series" and held 23-28 July 1979 in different French cities -
Frejus, Aix-en-Province, Montpellier, Cap d'Agde. In Montpellier Connors played just 1 match and beat Nastase 4-6 6-1 6-3.
Winner of the tournament is McEnroe. He won the overall first prize of $30,000. Connors and Vilas tied for second and received $17,500 each. Nastase picked up $10,000 as last.
Without South Bend the titles should be 150.
Great Ivan.
I remembered having read different information in one or more newspapers.
I'll try to look for them in the next few days.
Of course you can take a look. I already did it years ago.
hello Ivan have you macneroe / connors thanck you
I don't understand.
no
