Consecutive seasons at over 10k ATP points

Lew II said:
Winning RG is not dominating tennis.
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would you be so kind and explain how it's possible that Novak dominated tennis more if:
1. He has less weeks at #1 than Fed
2. He has less GS than both Fed and Nadal

by collecting points at Mickey Mouse tournaments? :-D
 
Lew II said:
Winning RG is not dominating tennis.
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Clay is a valid surface in tennis, clay denialism is pseudological.

Winning RG 13 times and the USO 4 times in a decade with a leading H2H at the event over your main rival is domination of tennis. Winning 3 Slams on different surfaces the same calendar year (something nobody else has ever done) is domination of tennis. Having a winning H2H at Slams over your main rivals is domination of tennis.

All members of the Big 3 have dominated tennis in different ways. Nadal had his own particular method of domination, he doesn't need to follow the same path of the other two.
 
Sport said:
Clay is a valid surface in tennis, clay denialism is pseudological.

Winning RG 13 times and the USO 4 times in a decade with a leading H2H at the event over your main rival is domination of tennis. Winning 3 Slams on different surfaces the same calendar year (something nobody else has ever done) is domination of tennis. Having a winning H2H at Slams over your main rivals is domination of tennis.

All members of the Big 3 have dominated tennis in different ways. Nadal had his own particular method of domination, he doesn't need to follow the same path of the other two.
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So you think that winning 20 RGs has the same value as winning 20 slams in a row?
 
blablavla said:
would you be so kind and explain how it's possible that Novak dominated tennis more if:
1. He has less weeks at #1 than Fed
2. He has less GS than both Fed and Nadal

by collecting points at Mickey Mouse tournaments? :-D
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Djokovic has more years end at #1, nearly as many weeks at #1 as Roger and many more than Nadal, has held all 4 slams at one time, has won all masters at least twice which is something that neither Roger or Rafa have done even once. I believe that Roger and Rafa have won more 250 point tournaments than Novak. Oh, and Rafa have 20 slams, not 21.
 
thrust said:
Djokovic has more years end at #1, nearly as many weeks at #1 as Roger and many more than Nadal, has held all 4 slams at one time, has won all masters at least twice which is something that neither Roger or Rafa have done even once. I believe that Roger and Rafa have won more 250 point tournaments than Novak. Oh, and Rafa have 20 slams, not 21.
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YE #1 is arbitrary cut-off

any ranking list is based on the 52 rolling weeks, or in other words past 12 months, or in other words past 1 year.
so, why would the #1 slot reached in the last week of the year be greater than #1 slot reached at any other point in time?
 
Lew II said:
Consecutive seasons at over 10,000 ATP points:

Djokovic 6 (2011-16)
Federer 4 (2004-07)
Nadal 0

What does it tell us?
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Nadal missed 2003 French Open.
Nadal missed 2004 French Open.
Nadal missed 2009 Wimbledon (defending champ).
Nadal retired QF 2010 Australian Open (defending champ).
Nadal missed 2012 Olympics (defending champ).
Nadal missed 2012 US Open.
Nadal missed 2013 Australian Open.
Nadal missed 2014 US Open (defending champ).
Nadal retired R3 2016 French Open.
Nadal retired QF 2018 Australian Open.
Nadal retired SF 2018 US Open (defending champ).
 
It tells us what we already knew. Nadal is not a consistent January to November force on the tour. Even in those great 10K years he did have (08, 10, 13, 17) he never showed the kind of dominance Fedovic did. In 08 he didn't make the final of either Australia or New York. And in 2010/2013 his Australian Opens were derailed by injuries. And while 2017 was a great year for him, he still didn't even make the quarters of Wimbledon. Granted, I don't hold that against him, being that it was his age 30/31 season. No one should expect a 4 final year from him at that age, especially in a bounce-back season.

What he lacks in year-long consistency he makes up for in annual clay consistency in a way that Fed & Nole haven't been able to replicate on grass or hard courts. It's a trade off, they all have different strengths and weaknesses.
 
It tells us that Lew has realized something that the rest of TTW has failed to: The Nadal is the target now. The best Federer can do is second place. The target has shifted and Djokovic needs to run down Rafa now.
 
You know Nadal owns the tennis world when they turn to weird "feats" like 10,000 point seasons, something that 99.9999999% of the world will never know about, and 99.99% of tennis fans won't even know it.
 
Backspin1183 said:
It tells us that Djokovic is the third greatest player of the current era, behind Federer and Nadal.
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Get him :p

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Lew II said:
Consecutive seasons at over 10,000 ATP points:

Djokovic 6 (2011-16)
Federer 4 (2004-07)
Nadal 0

What does it tell us?
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You have to factor in the difference in points earn at every round, every tournament since the ATP point system has changed.
 
Backspin1183 said:
It tells us that Djokovic is the third greatest player of the current era, behind Federer and Nadal.
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NCYGS all 4 slams win in a row defeating ATGs Federer and Murray
Double golden masters
Tied most YE#1
Weeks at number 1 record in the bag
Most prize money won ever
Highest ELO ever
Strongest era ever dominated since 2011
Owned both main rivals H2H and dominated across all surfaces
 
NoleIsBoat said:
NCYGS all 4 slams win in a row defeating ATGs Federer and Murray
Double golden masters
Tied most YE#1
Weeks at number 1 record in the bag
Most prize money won ever
Highest ELO ever
Strongest era ever dominated since 2011
Owned both main rivals H2H and dominated across all surfaces
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Also lost Slam finals to all time greats Murray and Wawrinka.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Sinner has entered for the first time and likely will go to 11000 something. Can he replicate this?
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No he can't! Let's not get ahead of ourselves, Sinner had just one great season and let's leave it at that, doesn't necessary mean he can have 6 great seasons in a row...that's another ballpark...That's first and second, let's wait on his fate regarding his potential ban from the tour before we will be talking about any sort of records for him to begin with...
 
Djokodalerer31 said:
No he can't! Let's not get ahead of ourselves, Sinner had just one great season and let's leave it at that, doesn't necessary mean he can have 6 great seasons in a row...that's another ballpark...That's first and second, let's wait on his fate regarding his potential ban from the tour before we will be talking about any sort of records for him to begin with...
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Replicate this 10000 pts season next year? Who said 6 or anything?

He missed Rome, Paris. Could have gone much deeper in RG and especially wimby. Lost pts in IW. Still may close the year at 12000.
 
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