Conspiracy against Djokovic

Oh, come on..... Can we stop these topics now? I like Djokovic very much and consider him the GOAT (if such a thing can be defined), but please.....
How would you explain him having to go through all the youngsters Berretini, Zverev and Medvedev who challenged him in majors in one go? instead of maybe putting Zverev or Berretini on the other side.
 

Kralingen

Hall of Fame
Basically the only player in the draw that mattered was Zverev and he got put in Djokovic’s half. Flip a coin. It’s genuinely 50/50 whether he got Tsits (easier 3 seed) or Zverev (harder 4 seed) in his half.

ironically Rafa Nadal would have been the 4 seed instead of Zod had he not pulled out I believe. Maybe Rafa’s injury was the key to everything?
 

Bubcay

Professional
How would you explain him having to go through all the youngsters Berretini, Zverev and Medvedev who challenged him in majors in one go? instead of maybe putting Zverev or Berretini on the other side.
Hmmm... Draw.

https://www.quora.com/Tennis-How-is-the-draw-for-the-US-Open-determined

All four of the majors use a random draw to place players in the brackets. Specifically, for the US Open, the top 32 players are seeded with the top two players being placed on opposite sides of the draw so that they could only potentially play if they both reached the finals. The 96 unseeded players are then randomly drawn into the bracket via a computer program. Finally, the remaining seeded players (those seeded 3-32) are drawn at a ceremony held prior to the start of the tournament.
There is a 128 players in a draw:
- 104 Ranked players from the previous 52 weeks of competition.
- 8 Wildcards: These are players whose rankings were not high enough to be accepted automatically based on their entry ranking. Most often these slots are reserved for the host country’s up-and-coming players, like a top junior or promising young tour player.
Some are reserved for former greats who have been injured or are making a comeback.
- 16 Qualifiers: the qualifying tournament takes place over several days before the main draw. 128 Players compete for only 16 slots.
- Lucky Losers: A lucky loser is any player who loses in the last round of qualifying and who gains admission to the main draw when a player, like Nadal, pulls out of the tournament.
 

Nate7-5

Professional
There are no tough draws - you play against the seeds in your half. If you end up playing against lower seeds, its because they deserved to beat higher seeds.
 
No, CYGS would be good publicity. Med winning is also good, but not as good.

There is no conspiracy. There is no global initiative to take down Djokovic. He just showed up late to the party.
Its quite hilarious that the junior conspiracy theorists do not realise how desperate the tennis governing bodies were for Novak to get the CYGS.

It would have been a huge promotional boost for the sport.

The USTA had even organized a symbolic "passing of the torch" style presentation event with Rod Laver that would have gone ahead if Novak won. Laver was to hand over the trophy to Djokovic with Elton John's "Rocket Man" (a reference to Laver's nickname) playing in the background.
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
This whole "exhaustion" thing over the Zverev semi isn't even terribly plausible.

Two of the sets were 6-2, the others 6-4. It wasn't as if there were three tiebreaks or similar.

While Felix might well have been the easier option the way Novak was dropping sets he could well have lost one here also. So would it have made such a huge difference?

Plus Novak didn't look into it from the start in the Final. Tiredness could well have been an issue if the match had gone to five sets but surely not from the first exchanges?

Hold my hands up here, we Fed fans have been known to come up with some fairly unconvincing excuses for our guy! So no hard feelings but your conspiracy theory isn't any more convincing than some of ours!
 
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RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Novak's opponents had zero - 0 - slams combined. Nadal, Federer, Wawrinka, Del Potro and Murray injured or Finnish.

Easiest draw since Wimbledon 21 for Novak.
2nd week was definitely tough.

Berrettini-Zverev-Medvedev is an easy draw? Yea give some of that good stuff mate.
 
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junior74

G.O.A.T.
2nd week was definitely tough.

Berrettini-Zverev-Medvedev is an easy draw? Yea give some of that good stuff mate.
A player with an absolute stinker of a backhand is not really a threat.

Zverev is the most famous choker in tennis right now. Medvedev showed slam strength for the very first time.

And a draw without fairly difficult SF + F would be hilarious. Like W21.
 
A player with an absolute stinker of a backhand is not really a threat.

Zverev is the most famous choker in tennis right now. Medvedev showed slam strength for the very first time.

And a draw without fairly difficult SF + F would be hilarious. Like W21.
Absolutely not....wimbledon was one of the toughest draws for Djokovic...he had to face 2 tough grasscourters Shapovalov and Berretini along with tough opposition like Anderson and Fucsovic. A lot of these guys who say Djokovic had it easy in wimbledon is just butt hurt that he won it once again..
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
Absolutely not....wimbledon was one of the toughest draws for Djokovic...he had to face 2 tough grasscourters Shapovalov and Berretini along with tough opposition like Anderson and Fucsovic. A lot of these guys who say Djokovic had it easy in wimbledon is just butt hurt that he won it once again..
You are serious, aren't you? Anderson has done nothing after he was out with injury. Shapovalov is definitely no grasscourter, and he is a player who has won one HC 250 in his career... Fucsovic has one 250 title on clay, that's it. A journeyman, waking around 40-80 ranking for years.

Berrettini was in his first slam final, but I agree he is a decent grass player for a man with no backhand.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
A player with an absolute stinker of a backhand is not really a threat.

Zverev is the most famous choker in tennis right now. Medvedev showed slam strength for the very first time.

And a draw without fairly difficult SF + F would be hilarious. Like W21.
Haha this is ridiculous. Berrettini is very much a threat with that FH and serve. Pretty inform aswell with Wimbledon final on his belt. Zverev who was on a 17 match winning streak is a known choker?
When has he choked a match lately. And Medvedev we don't even have to talk about. This was a very tough draw to come through against dangerous in form players. You are trolling I think.
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
Haha this is ridiculous. Berrettini is very much a threat with that FH and serve. Pretty inform aswell with Wimbledon final on his belt. Zverev who was on a 17 match winning streak is a known choker?
When has he choked a match lately. And Medvedev we don't even have to talk about. This was a very tough draw to come through against dangerous in form players. You are trolling I think.
Not trolling at all. Those who think there was a conspiracy with this draw, are bonkers.

Rune #145, Brooksby #99, Griegspoor #121, Nishikori #54. That's a cakewalk to QF. And from QF on, it's always expected that you play the other good guys. And this time it was Berry and Zed, mostly because Nadal, Federer, Wawrinka, Murray, Del Potro are Finnish or injured.

Medvedev showed slam strength for the first time, as mentioned.
 

fox

Semi-Pro
Considering how weak his draws and rivals are, Novak fans cannot stand he finally got one tough player to play years after beatings in Slams from Wawrinka. I mean how long can you win Slams beating Berettini and Shapovalov?
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Not trolling at all. Those who think there was a conspiracy with this draw, are bonkers.

Rune #145, Brooksby #99, Griegspoor #121, Nishikori #54. That's a cakewalk to QF. And from QF on, it's always expected that you play the other good guys. And this time it was Berry and Zed, mostly because Nadal, Federer, Wawrinka, Murray, Del Potro are Finnish or injured.

Medvedev showed slam strength for the first time, as mentioned.
Yea it's expected and he got the tough path against three of the most in form players this year. I don't think it changes if those guys u mention entered the draw bar maybe Berrettini. Z and Med are in scary form.
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
Yea it's expected and he got the tough path against three of the most in form players this year. I don't think it changes if those guys u mention entered the draw bar maybe Berrettini. Z and Med are in scary form.
Zverev has never beaten a top10 player in a slam.

Nothing scary about his slam career so far, apart from the massive choke against Thiem at the US Open last year.

You could of course argue Zverev has beaten himself, a long time top 10 player, several times :)
 

Winners or Errors

Hall of Fame
Zverev has never beaten a top10 player in a slam.

Nothing scary about his slam career so far, apart from the massive choke against Thiem at the US Open last year.

You could of course argue Zverev has beaten himself, a long time top 10 player, several times :)
Just like he beat himself in this last US Open. Tough opponents don't choke that visibly. Sorry, OP. It's not like it was one point here or there.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Zverev has never beaten a top10 player in a slam.

Nothing scary about his slam career so far, apart from the massive choke against Thiem at the US Open last year.

You could of course argue Zverev has beaten himself, a long time top 10 player, several times :)
He has beaten all big 3 plenty of times, slam or not. Doesn't take away from what form he was in and that he was a tough draw. Seriously your arguments just doesn't cut it in this instance, and I'm not exactly sure what your point even is. You are saying it is expected that you get a tough draw in the last rounds, and Djokovic got the toughest and most in form players of the season and he got pushed in everyone one of them. So what are you even arguing for? Are you saying they were weak opponents? What is it? Mentioning Nadal when he's been beaten by these guys considerably for the past 1-2 years or so on HCs and Wawrinka who is fighting in top 100 for years now like he was supposed to be some titan in this tournament. And Federer who is in a wheelchair.

Wimbledon was a pretty soft draw all the way through and probably the "nicest" draw Djoko has gotten in many years but comparing it to his USO draw is really taking the ****.
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
He has beaten all big 3 plenty of times, slam or not. Doesn't take away from what form he was in and that he was a tough draw. Seriously your arguments just doesn't cut it in this instance, and I'm not exactly sure what your point even is. You are saying it is expected that you get a tough draw in the last rounds, and Djokovic got the toughest and most in form players of the season and he got pushed in everyone one of them. So what are you even arguing for? Are you saying they were weak opponents? What is it? Mentioning Nadal when he's been beaten by these guys considerably for the past 1-2 years or so on HCs and Wawrinka who is fighting in top 100 for years now like he was supposed to be some titan in this tournament. And Federer who is in a wheelchair.

Wimbledon was a pretty soft draw all the way through and probably the "nicest" draw Djoko has gotten in many years but comparing it to his USO draw is really taking the ****.
I am saying there was no conspiracy against Djokovic and the draw wasn't particularly tough.
 

tudwell

Legend
It wasn't a particularly tough draw. He had Zverev in his half – which as things played out was a lot tougher than Medvedev's semifinalist, but it's not hard to imagine Zverev flopping and someone like Tsitsipas playing inspired tennis on the other half to give us the exact opposite scenario. Everyone else Novak struggled with was his own fault. Give Medvedev the same draw and he'd be going into the semis possibly without a set dropped.
 
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