shadysawyer2021
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Do you think there was a conspiracy against Djokovic by giving him a very tough draw for the us open 2021 so that he would not win the calendar slam?
Conspiracy against Djokovic
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Bubcay
Legend
Oh, come on..... Can we stop these topics now? I like Djokovic very much and consider him the GOAT (if such a thing can be defined), but please.....
shadysawyer2021
New User
How would you explain him having to go through all the youngsters Berretini, Zverev and Medvedev who challenged him in majors in one go? instead of maybe putting Zverev or Berretini on the other side.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Someone's PayPal account just got a whole lot fatter after this tournament @Federer and Del Potro
Supposedly, the sum was paid in Swiss francs.
Supposedly, the sum was paid in Swiss francs.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Lol that was not a tough draw. He just FINALLY looked like a 34yo for once, who shouldn't be able to outlast the whole tour.
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
Basically the only player in the draw that mattered was Zverev and he got put in Djokovic’s half. Flip a coin. It’s genuinely 50/50 whether he got Tsits (easier 3 seed) or Zverev (harder 4 seed) in his half.
ironically Rafa Nadal would have been the 4 seed instead of Zod had he not pulled out I believe. Maybe Rafa’s injury was the key to everything?
ironically Rafa Nadal would have been the 4 seed instead of Zod had he not pulled out I believe. Maybe Rafa’s injury was the key to everything?
Bubcay
Legend
shadysawyer2021
New User
That's what I'm thinking these guys set him up for failure that's for sure...I mean this is like 50 plus years of tennis legacy that's on the line and they are not going to let a Serbian take it all away from them.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Please quit with this tiresome "they're all trying to do him down coz he's Serbian" baloney.
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
No, CYGS would be good publicity. Med winning is also good, but not as good.
There is no conspiracy. There is no global initiative to take down Djokovic. He just showed up late to the party.
There is no conspiracy. There is no global initiative to take down Djokovic. He just showed up late to the party.
Subway Tennis
Legend
Its quite hilarious that the junior conspiracy theorists do not realise how desperate the tennis governing bodies were for Novak to get the CYGS.
It would have been a huge promotional boost for the sport.
The USTA had even organized a symbolic "passing of the torch" style presentation event with Rod Laver that would have gone ahead if Novak won. Laver was to hand over the trophy to Djokovic with Elton John's "Rocket Man" (a reference to Laver's nickname) playing in the background.
slipgrip93
Professional
Nadal, Fed, and Thiem weren't there, and the bag lineslady lost her 'job' to a line calling robot.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Yes - they knew he would have trouble getting past Rune.
Adv. Edberg
Legend
He got a cake draw as usual. What are you on about?
junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
Fedforever
Hall of Fame
Is this the anger stage of grief or the bargaining?
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
It must have been a conspiracy to expect Djokovic, the world #1, to beat Rune (#145), Griekspoor (#121), Nishikori (#56) and Brooksby (#99) just to make it to the QF. That was so unfair to Djokovic.
Dedans Penthouse
Legend
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Fedforever
Hall of Fame
This whole "exhaustion" thing over the Zverev semi isn't even terribly plausible.
Two of the sets were 6-2, the others 6-4. It wasn't as if there were three tiebreaks or similar.
While Felix might well have been the easier option the way Novak was dropping sets he could well have lost one here also. So would it have made such a huge difference?
Plus Novak didn't look into it from the start in the Final. Tiredness could well have been an issue if the match had gone to five sets but surely not from the first exchanges?
Hold my hands up here, we Fed fans have been known to come up with some fairly unconvincing excuses for our guy! So no hard feelings but your conspiracy theory isn't any more convincing than some of ours!
Two of the sets were 6-2, the others 6-4. It wasn't as if there were three tiebreaks or similar.
While Felix might well have been the easier option the way Novak was dropping sets he could well have lost one here also. So would it have made such a huge difference?
Plus Novak didn't look into it from the start in the Final. Tiredness could well have been an issue if the match had gone to five sets but surely not from the first exchanges?
Hold my hands up here, we Fed fans have been known to come up with some fairly unconvincing excuses for our guy! So no hard feelings but your conspiracy theory isn't any more convincing than some of ours!
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RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
2nd week was definitely tough.
Berrettini-Zverev-Medvedev is an easy draw? Yea give some of that good stuff mate.
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junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
A player with an absolute stinker of a backhand is not really a threat.
Zverev is the most famous choker in tennis right now. Medvedev showed slam strength for the very first time.
And a draw without fairly difficult SF + F would be hilarious. Like W21.
shadysawyer2021
New User
Absolutely not....wimbledon was one of the toughest draws for Djokovic...he had to face 2 tough grasscourters Shapovalov and Berretini along with tough opposition like Anderson and Fucsovic. A lot of these guys who say Djokovic had it easy in wimbledon is just butt hurt that he won it once again..
junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
You are serious, aren't you? Anderson has done nothing after he was out with injury. Shapovalov is definitely no grasscourter, and he is a player who has won one HC 250 in his career... Fucsovic has one 250 title on clay, that's it. A journeyman, waking around 40-80 ranking for years.
Berrettini was in his first slam final, but I agree he is a decent grass player for a man with no backhand.
Legend of Borg
G.O.A.T.
The draw giveth but it also taketh.
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
Haha this is ridiculous. Berrettini is very much a threat with that FH and serve. Pretty inform aswell with Wimbledon final on his belt. Zverev who was on a 17 match winning streak is a known choker?
When has he choked a match lately. And Medvedev we don't even have to talk about. This was a very tough draw to come through against dangerous in form players. You are trolling I think.
ron schaap
Hall of Fame
nonsense if you are the goat you hav to win from everybody.
goldengate14
Professional
He played the two same guys in last three rounds Nadal did in 2019. Is Op suggestin Roger is handpicking draws?
goldengate14
Professional
Not quite peak Murray and Federer though is it.
MurraysMetalHip
Hall of Fame
Yes definitely. No other explanation.
junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
Not trolling at all. Those who think there was a conspiracy with this draw, are bonkers.
Rune #145, Brooksby #99, Griegspoor #121, Nishikori #54. That's a cakewalk to QF. And from QF on, it's always expected that you play the other good guys. And this time it was Berry and Zed, mostly because Nadal, Federer, Wawrinka, Murray, Del Potro are Finnish or injured.
Medvedev showed slam strength for the first time, as mentioned.
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
Yea it's expected and he got the tough path against three of the most in form players this year. I don't think it changes if those guys u mention entered the draw bar maybe Berrettini. Z and Med are in scary form.
junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
Zverev has never beaten a top10 player in a slam.
Nothing scary about his slam career so far, apart from the massive choke against Thiem at the US Open last year.
You could of course argue Zverev has beaten himself, a long time top 10 player, several times
Winners or Errors
Legend
Zverev has never beaten a top10 player in a slam.
Nothing scary about his slam career so far, apart from the massive choke against Thiem at the US Open last year.
You could of course argue Zverev has beaten himself, a long time top 10 player, several times
Just like he beat himself in this last US Open. Tough opponents don't choke that visibly. Sorry, OP. It's not like it was one point here or there.
Oceans II
Professional
Going by this, Federer had easy draws with most of his slam titles and W19 was his toughest draw.
junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
Going by this, Federer had a lot of easy draws with his slam titles and W19 was his toughest draw.
I was responding to a claim that there was a conspiracy against Djokovic by giving him a very tough draw.
All players have had tough and easy draws.
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
Zverev has never beaten a top10 player in a slam.
Nothing scary about his slam career so far, apart from the massive choke against Thiem at the US Open last year.
You could of course argue Zverev has beaten himself, a long time top 10 player, several times
He has beaten all big 3 plenty of times, slam or not. Doesn't take away from what form he was in and that he was a tough draw. Seriously your arguments just doesn't cut it in this instance, and I'm not exactly sure what your point even is. You are saying it is expected that you get a tough draw in the last rounds, and Djokovic got the toughest and most in form players of the season and he got pushed in everyone one of them. So what are you even arguing for? Are you saying they were weak opponents? What is it? Mentioning Nadal when he's been beaten by these guys considerably for the past 1-2 years or so on HCs and Wawrinka who is fighting in top 100 for years now like he was supposed to be some titan in this tournament. And Federer who is in a wheelchair.
Wimbledon was a pretty soft draw all the way through and probably the "nicest" draw Djoko has gotten in many years but comparing it to his USO draw is really taking the ****.
junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
I am saying there was no conspiracy against Djokovic and the draw wasn't particularly tough.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
So can we start appreciating Fed's wins against Roddick and Phillipoussis now?
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
Yes. If Roddick was a QF opponent and then fed faced some great dangerous in form guys in the follow up.
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Antonio Puente
Hall of Fame
A difficult draw based on current rankings and a difficult draw in historical terms are two completely different things.
It wasn't a particularly tough draw. He had Zverev in his half – which as things played out was a lot tougher than Medvedev's semifinalist, but it's not hard to imagine Zverev flopping and someone like Tsitsipas playing inspired tennis on the other half to give us the exact opposite scenario. Everyone else Novak struggled with was his own fault. Give Medvedev the same draw and he'd be going into the semis possibly without a set dropped.
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