Continuing at this pace, is Jannik Sinner destined to become the greatest athlete in the history of Italian sports?

Will Sinner become the GOAT of italian sport?

  • Yes

    Votes: 16 59.3%
  • No

    Votes: 11 40.7%

  • Total voters
    27

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In recent days, after Sinner's countless feats in Italy, there has been much debate about the role that the South Tyrolean tennis player plays within the great tradition of Italian sport, but above all about the position he could have once his career is over.
Many are now convinced that he is destined to become the greatest Italian athlete in history, on the same level as other tennis players for their respective countries, such as Federer for Switzerland, Nadal for Spain, Djokovic for Serbia, and perhaps even Laver for Australia.

To give some parameters, I will try to list the most famous Italian athletes;

Fausto Coppi;
The "Campionissimo", according to many in cycling, if Merckx was the strongest, Coppi was the greatest. The man of solitary escapes. 5 Giro d'Italia, 2 Tour de France, a world road championship, two world championships in pursuit, 5 Giro di Lombardia, 3 Milan-Sanremo, a Paris-Roubaix, an hour record, and many other prestigious races, having lost almost 5 years due to the Second World War.
First man capable of winning the Giro d'Italia and Tour de France in the same year when it was still thought impossible.
When referring to the GOAT of Italian sport, Coppi is the name that is most popular, also because of what his rivalry with Gino Bartali represented for a country like Italy that emerged destroyed in its soul from the Second World War, and that he contributed with his exploits to revitalize. Obviously, in order not to generate an endless list, in cycling where Italy boasts the best tradition together with Belgium, I limit myself to considering only Coppi, mentioning other champions of the pedal such as Gino Bartali himself, Alfredo Binda, Felice Gimondi, Francesco Moser, Marco Pantani, Vincenzo Nibali etc.

Alberto Tomba;
Not the best skier in history but probably thanks to his being a Gascon character in a context of cold mountaineers, he is the one who has reached the highest peaks of popularity in the world among the interpreters of alpine skiing. Great interpreter of technical races, 50 races won in the world cup, where he boasts an absolute world cup, 8 in specialties, to which we can add 3 Olympic gold medals and two gold medals at the world championships. Tomba la Bomba.

Valentino Rossi;
The Doctor, here too, probably the most beloved motorcyclist in history, the icon of the world championship. 9 world titles of which 7 in the premier class. His duels with the various Biagi, Stoner, Lorenzo and Marquez are famous.

Giacomo Agostini;
I would have done a disservice to mention only Rossi or vice versa to mention only Agostini. Here we are talking about the most successful motorcyclist in history, capable of winning the beauty of 15 world titles of which 8 in the premier class. The Agostini-Augusta duo was probably the most unstoppable in the history of motorsport.

Pietro Mennea;
One of the best white sprinters in history, but he was absolutely one without distinction of race. World record in the 200 meters with a time of 19.72 that lasted almost 17 years, still a European record after 45 years.
Olympic gold medal also in the 200 in Moscow 1980 after one of the most legendary races in the history of the Olympics thanks to his unprecedented comeback on the straight against the Scotsman Wells.
But also the only sprinter in history capable of competing in the same race (200 meters) 4 finals in 4 different Olympics, a sign of a longevity previously unknown to sprinters.

Tazio Nuvolari;
Legendary driver capable of excelling with both cars and motorcycles.

Federica Pellegrini;
The Divine, interpreter of the freestyle of which she was the queen for years especially in the 200-meter distance.
One of the most decorated swimmers in history, she too has managed to combine very high peaks with great longevity.

Marcell Jacobs;
First and only Italian to qualify for an Olympic final of the men's 100 meters, a race he later won, and a repeat final at the last Paris Olympics where he placed fifth. In his career he boasts two Olympic golds in the 100 meters and 4x100 relay, a gold medal at the 60-meter indoor world championships, a silver medal in the 4x100 at the outdoor world championships, 4 gold medals overall at the European championships between the outdoor and indoor ones.
Current European record holder for the 60 and 100-meter distances.
The greatest achievement in the history of Italian sport probably belongs to him (the Olympic gold in the 100 meters)


Sara Simeoni;
One of the greatest female high jumpers in history. World record obtained in 1978 where he jumped 2m01, gold medal at the 1980 Moscow Olympics and silver at the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics.

Gianmarco Tamberi;
He instead is one of the greatest male high jumpers in history. He won everything he could win, so Olympic gold, world outdoor and indoor gold, European outdoor and indoor gold, plus several times the diamond that goes to the winner of the Diamond League finals. Another braggart and divisive character, also famous for his half-beard look.

Obviously I could mention many others, such as the great interpreters of cross-country skiing, Manuela Di Centa and Stefania Belmondo.
Volleyball player Lorenzo Bernardi was elected the best volleyball player in history at the end of the last century.
The four-time overall Alpine skiing world cup winner Gustav Thoeni, who comes from the same area as Sinner.
The basketball player Dino Meneghin who was probably the most successful player in the history of European basketball at club level (7 Champions Cups, forerunner of the current Euroleague) of which he was the leader of teams such as Varese and Milan.
Or Gregorio Paltrinieri one of the greatest cross-country skiers in the history of the swim.
The multiple Olympic women's foil champion Valentina Vezzali.
Volleyball player Paola Egonu.
The boxers Primo Carnera and Nino Benvenuti. The marathon runner Stefano Baldini.
And many others that I probably forget.

Then mentioning the footballers, Giuseppe Meazza, Valentino Mazzola, Gianni Rivera, Gigi Riva, Dino Zoff, Paolo Rossi, Gaetano Scirea, Franco Baresi, Paolo Maldini, Alessandro Del Piero, Francesco Totti, Gianluigi Buffon, Fabio Cannavaro, Andrea Pirlo, and obviously the one who is was the most loved Italian footballer in the world, Roberto Baggio, the divine pigtail.

So to close with the female tennis players, it is right to mention the slam winners Francesca Schiavone and Flavia Pennetta, both of whom were part of the great generation between the end of the 2000s and the beginning of the 2010s, also including Roberta Vinci and Sara Errani, and now obviously it is the moment of Jasmine Paolini.
In the men's field, before Sinner (and Matteo Berrettini himself), the two main standard bearers were Nicola Pietrangeli, winner of 2 Roland Garros in the pre-Open era, still the tennis player with the most matches won in the history of the Davis Cup, and then Adriano Panatta before Sinner he was the last Italian to win a grand slam tournament when in 1976 he won Roland Garros, as well as Rome and the Davis Cup.
Best ranking number 4, the only tennis player to have beaten (even twice) Borg at Roland Garros.
Great rivalries not only with Borg but also with the various Vilas and Nastase.
Much loved character in Italy at the end of the 70s.
 
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Sinner walks the magnificent path of the legendary Roger Federer, I see him dominating Tennis for a very long time, subject to doping appeal.
 
As a big fanatic of AC Milan he has alot to do before he can even be in the same convo as Paolo Maldini, Baresi and the likes. I think that can happen, but it depends what happens along the road.
 
Got a long way to go before he surpasses Tommy Devito
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Jesus, and another thread. If you could spam these boards more with your Sinner fetish you could literally rename this place to Talk Sinner Warehouse.

It's an international forum, who gives a flying F how Sinner compares to other Italians?
 
The divine 'pigtail'......................

If Sinner gets anywhere close to Baggio, Del Piero, Totti, Pirlo, Maldini, Cannavaro, Nesta, Buffon, Bergomi, Baresi, Scirea, (GROSSO!) etc. he'll have done well.
 
The divine 'pigtail'......................

If Sinner gets anywhere close to Baggio, Del Piero, Totti, Pirlo, Maldini, Cannavaro, Nesta, Buffon, Bergomi, Baresi, Scirea, (GROSSO!) etc. he'll have done well.
Grosso?

Tell me are you joking?

Hero of the 2006 World Cup, but his career at high levels is essentially confined to that single event.
Grosso is probably not even among the top 50 players in the history of Italian football.

However, I didn't understand the opening sentence.
The translation is probably not perfect, but Baggio in Italy is nicknamed il "divin codino".
 
Grosso?

Tell me are you joking?

Hero of the 2006 World Cup, but his career at high levels is essentially confined to that single event.
Grosso is probably not even among the top 50 players in the history of Italian football.

However, I didn't understand the opening sentence.
The translation is probably not perfect, but Baggio in Italy is nicknamed il "divin codino".
Yes, it was a joke. Hence why it was in brackets and all in caps. Sorry. Lost in translation :D and it's Divine Ponytail in inglese.
 
You might tone down the number of Sinner posts a bit. Some OP's did that before you came to TTW and it did not end well
 
You might tone down the number of Sinner posts a bit. Some OP's did that before you came to TTW and it did not end well
These are topical threads (he has just won the ATP Finals and the Davis Cup, concluding a memorable season).

And in fact he's not the only one to have recently opened threads dedicated to Sinner, look around.
 
OP has to be like 12 or something with this infantile focus on the Doper. If not kind of Icky weird preoccupation.

The Doper isn't even Italian.
 
OP has to be like 12 or something with this infantile focus on the Doper. If not kind of Icky weird preoccupation.

The Doper isn't even Italian.
You, on the other hand, will surely be one of those people to be pitied with extreme delicacy.

PS
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And I thought those colors represented Italy.
Obviously I was wrong, maybe he played his last Davis Cup for Japan.

AHAHAHAH
 
In recent days, after Sinner's countless feats in Italy, there has been much debate about the role that the South Tyrolean tennis player plays within the great tradition of Italian sport, but above all about the position he could have once his career is over.
Many are now convinced that he is destined to become the greatest Italian athlete in history, on the same level as other tennis players for their respective countries, such as Federer for Switzerland, Nadal for Spain, Djokovic for Serbia, and perhaps even Laver for Australia.

To give some parameters, I will try to list the most famous Italian athletes;

Fausto Coppi;
The "Campionissimo", according to many in cycling, if Merckx was the strongest, Coppi was the greatest. The man of solitary escapes. 5 Giro d'Italia, 2 Tour de France, a world road championship, two world championships in pursuit, 5 Giro di Lombardia, 3 Milan-Sanremo, a Paris-Roubaix, an hour record, and many other prestigious races, having lost almost 5 years due to the Second World War.
First man capable of winning the Giro d'Italia and Tour de France in the same year when it was still thought impossible.
When referring to the GOAT of Italian sport, Coppi is the name that is most popular, also because of what his rivalry with Gino Bartali represented for a country like Italy that emerged destroyed in its soul from the Second World War, and that he contributed with his exploits to revitalize. Obviously, in order not to generate an endless list, in cycling where Italy boasts the best tradition together with Belgium, I limit myself to considering only Coppi, mentioning other champions of the pedal such as Gino Bartali himself, Alfredo Binda, Felice Gimondi, Francesco Moser, Marco Pantani, Vincenzo Nibali etc.

Alberto Tomba;
Not the best skier in history but probably thanks to his being a Gascon character in a context of cold mountaineers, he is the one who has reached the highest peaks of popularity in the world among the interpreters of alpine skiing. Great interpreter of technical races, 50 races won in the world cup, where he boasts an absolute world cup, 8 in specialties, to which we can add 3 Olympic gold medals and two gold medals at the world championships. Tomba la Bomba.

Valentino Rossi;
The Doctor, here too, probably the most beloved motorcyclist in history, the icon of the world championship. 9 world titles of which 7 in the premier class. His duels with the various Biagi, Stoner, Lorenzo and Marquez are famous.

Giacomo Agostini;
I would have done a disservice to mention only Rossi or vice versa to mention only Agostini. Here we are talking about the most successful motorcyclist in history, capable of winning the beauty of 15 world titles of which 8 in the premier class. The Agostini-Augusta duo was probably the most unstoppable in the history of motorsport.

Pietro Mennea;
One of the best white sprinters in history, but he was absolutely one without distinction of race. World record in the 200 meters with a time of 19.72 that lasted almost 17 years, still a European record after 45 years.
Olympic gold medal also in the 200 in Moscow 1980 after one of the most legendary races in the history of the Olympics thanks to his unprecedented comeback on the straight against the Scotsman Wells.
But also the only sprinter in history capable of competing in the same race (200 meters) 4 finals in 4 different Olympics, a sign of a longevity previously unknown to sprinters.

Tazio Nuvolari;
Legendary driver capable of excelling with both cars and motorcycles.

Federica Pellegrini;
The Divine, interpreter of the freestyle of which she was the queen for years especially in the 200-meter distance.
One of the most decorated swimmers in history, she too has managed to combine very high peaks with great longevity.

Marcell Jacobs;
First and only Italian to qualify for an Olympic final of the men's 100 meters, a race he later won, and a repeat final at the last Paris Olympics where he placed fifth. In his career he boasts two Olympic golds in the 100 meters and 4x100 relay, a gold medal at the 60-meter indoor world championships, a silver medal in the 4x100 at the outdoor world championships, 4 gold medals overall at the European championships between the outdoor and indoor ones.
Current European record holder for the 60 and 100-meter distances.
The greatest achievement in the history of Italian sport probably belongs to him (the Olympic gold in the 100 meters)


Sara Simeoni;
One of the greatest female high jumpers in history. World record obtained in 1978 where he jumped 2m01, gold medal at the 1980 Moscow Olympics and silver at the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics.

Gianmarco Tamberi;
He instead is one of the greatest male high jumpers in history. He won everything he could win, so Olympic gold, world outdoor and indoor gold, European outdoor and indoor gold, plus several times the diamond that goes to the winner of the Diamond League finals. Another braggart and divisive character, also famous for his half-beard look.

Obviously I could mention many others, such as the great interpreters of cross-country skiing, Manuela Di Centa and Stefania Belmondo.
Volleyball player Lorenzo Bernardi was elected the best volleyball player in history at the end of the last century.
The four-time overall Alpine skiing world cup winner Gustav Thoeni, who comes from the same area as Sinner.
The basketball player Dino Meneghin who was probably the most successful player in the history of European basketball at club level (7 Champions Cups, forerunner of the current Euroleague) of which he was the leader of teams such as Varese and Milan.
Or Gregorio Paltrinieri one of the greatest cross-country skiers in the history of the swim.
The multiple Olympic women's foil champion Valentina Vezzali.
Volleyball player Paola Egonu.
The boxers Primo Carnera and Nino Benvenuti. The marathon runner Stefano Baldini.
And many others that I probably forget.

Then mentioning the footballers, Giuseppe Meazza, Valentino Mazzola, Gianni Rivera, Gigi Riva, Dino Zoff, Paolo Rossi, Gaetano Scirea, Franco Baresi, Paolo Maldini, Alessandro Del Piero, Francesco Totti, Gianluigi Buffon, Fabio Cannavaro, Andrea Pirlo, and obviously the one who is was the most loved Italian footballer in the world, Roberto Baggio, the divine pigtail.

So to close with the female tennis players, it is right to mention the slam winners Francesca Schiavone and Flavia Pennetta, both of whom were part of the great generation between the end of the 2000s and the beginning of the 2010s, also including Roberta Vinci and Sara Errani, and now obviously it is the moment of Jasmine Paolini.
In the men's field, before Sinner (and Matteo Berrettini himself), the two main standard bearers were Nicola Pietrangeli, winner of 2 Roland Garros in the pre-Open era, still the tennis player with the most matches won in the history of the Davis Cup, and then Adriano Panatta before Sinner he was the last Italian to win a grand slam tournament when in 1976 he won Roland Garros, as well as Rome and the Davis Cup.
Best ranking number 4, the only tennis player to have beaten (even twice) Borg at Roland Garros.
Great rivalries not only with Borg but also with the various Vilas and Nastase.
Much loved character in Italy at the end of the 70s.
I remember Tomba, crazy good and very charismatic. In slalom and giant slalom i think he is only surpassed by Stenmark and Hirscher. When he was on he was just in a class of his own.
 
You, on the other hand, will surely be one of those people to be pitied with extreme delicacy.

PS
sinner_fg_20241124125807.jpeg

And I thought those colors represented Italy.
Obviously I was wrong, maybe Davis played his last match for Japan.

AHAHAHAH

I am not sure what that even means.

While he may have played the last Davis Cup for Italy he is not Italian. Just as Osaka plays for Japan but is not Japanese.

In either event he shouldn't be playing at all given he is a Doper.

And you should really find another pre-occupation as it is really getting to be a bit much.
 
These are topical threads (he has just won the ATP Finals and the Davis Cup, concluding a memorable season).

And in fact he's not the only one to have recently opened threads dedicated to Sinner, look around.
You should consider balancing out with some threads about who would have won hypothetical matches between a trio of middle aged men. Some people can never get enough of the classics.

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I am not sure what that even means.

While he may have played the last Davis Cup for Italy he is not Italian. Just as Osaka plays for Japan but is not Japanese.

In either event he shouldn't be playing at all given he is a Doper.

And you should really find another pre-occupation as it is really getting to be a bit much.
I take note, he is not Italian and he is a doper because the great immeasurable enterprising phantasmagoric says so @LOBALOT

LOL

PS
And in any case I would be curious to know how many Americans you can define as Americans.
That a Yankee (assuming you are actually a Yankee) allows himself to define Sinner as non-Italian is truly the last straw.
Then there are no Americans in the United States.
 
And in any case I would be curious to know how many Americans you can define as Americans.
That a Yankee (assuming you are actually a Yankee) allows himself to define Sinner as non-Italian is truly the last straw.
Then there are no Americans in the United States.
Sitting Bull was the last one...

Well thinking of it you have Trump thinking himself is american but Obama isnt lol :laughing:
 
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No, he was tested twice and tested positive twice. I didn't perform the testing nor did I provide the results.

As far as playing for Italy it is the country the doper chooses to play for.

America is a melting pot that is correct. I however, am not insisting a member of the US team is or is not from the US. It is you that is insisting that Sinner is Italian when he is not.
 
No, he was tested twice and tested positive twice. I didn't perform the testing nor did I provide the results.

As far as playing for Italy it is the country the doper chooses to play for.

America is a melting pot that is correct. I however, am not insisting a member of the US team is or is not from the US. It is you that is insisting that Sinner is Italian when he is not.
The hilarious thing is that you couldn't even explain what an Italian is or isn't.
A piece of advice, talk about things about which you have minimal knowledge of the facts otherwise you will make a terrible impression as in this case.

Sinner didn't choose anything at all, he was born in Italy because Alto Adige, in case you hadn't noticed, is part of Italy.
Choosing as you allude to is equivalent to changing citizenship, which he did not do.
You are ignorant on the subject and you even set yourself up as a know-it-all with such unjustified arrogance.

As far as positivity is concerned, there is a significant difference between testing positive for an illicit substance due to contamination, and testing positive for an illicit substance taken voluntarily to try to improve performance.
Someone who tests positive for a doping substance causing contamination is not a doper.
Here too, ignorant part 2.

And to avoid any misunderstanding, ignorant is not offensive, but it means not knowing or knowing poorly what one should know.
When you deem it most appropriate you will be asked to pay the amount you owe me for the lesson I offered you. :)
Addio!
 
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The hilarious thing is that you couldn't even explain what an Italian is or isn't.
A piece of advice, talk about things about which you have minimal knowledge of the facts otherwise you will make a terrible impression as in this case.

Sinner didn't choose anything at all, he was born in Italy because Alto Adige, in case you hadn't noticed, is part of Italy.
Choosing as you allude to is equivalent to changing citizenship, which he did not do.
You are ignorant on the subject and you even set yourself up as a know-it-all with such unjustified arrogance.

As far as positivity is concerned, there is a significant difference between testing positive for an illicit substance due to contamination, and testing positive for an illicit substance taken voluntarily to try to improve performance.
Someone who tests positive for a doping substance causing contamination is not a doper.
Here too, ignorant part 2.

And to avoid any misunderstanding, ignorant is not offensive, but it means not knowing or knowing poorly what one should know.
When you deem it most appropriate you will be asked to pay the amount you owe me for the lesson I offered you. :)
Addio!

Tell me about the history of Janick's village prior to World War I and how it became part of Italy and also his ancestry. You being so smart why are you ignorant as to this history?

So based on your definition of ignorant what does this mean?

Only someone ignorant would believe Janick's story of how he tested positive the first time. Then a second and yet continues to buy the made up stories of his positive results. There was nothing unintentional about it and he is a doper.

It makes me wonder on the lessons you have been taught especially for an adult to have such a man-crush it is really a bit sickening.
 
I'm biased towards motorsports so I'll say it's Rossi, not to mention the super slim margin for error in motorsports. Becoming an individual top-tier champion 9 times surpassed anything any footballer has done, and no Italian has 9 slams yet.
 
Continuing with more threads at this pace, Sinner has strong chances of being proclaimed the Universal GOAT of All Sports in three to four years' time.
 
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