Contracting Out?

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Has anyone here contracted out their own job?

I'm a long-standing city employee, doing what many would call an "unskilled" job. I got in when the going was good and the union was strong, right before I turned 19. The new guys now are under a different contract, with much lower wages and no pension.

In the private sector, the same job is often done for minimum wage, usually by recent arrivals. What's to stop me from just hiring one of those arrivals for minimum wage (or minimum wage plus 25 cents, to attract applicants) and sending them to work in my stead? Work gets done, practically impossible to get fired from the job (thanks, union!), a job seeker finds gainful employment, and I still keep over half my wages, complete benefits, plus full pension. It's win-win-win-win. The job is primarily outdoors with minimal supervision. I'd just hand el hombre my badge and punch code number.

"But Tété Amàre," you ask. "You're a wealthy landowner, a tennis club proprietor, a landlord, some kind of store owner and order packing facility manager. Why do you have a full-time job as well?"

It's simple. I got it before any of those things, and when I decided to do those things, I kept my job, for the guaranteed job security, seniority-based raises over the decades, unparalleled pension and early retirement. The land is rented out to neighbour farmers and requires no time, other than defending it from trespassers. I divested my share of the tennis club when it was forcibly shut down for global health reasons, a GM runs the store, and the facility management is basically a hobby after hours. Landlording isn't really a job, it's passive income like your stock portfolio. The city job is a strict 37.5 hours per week, days, no weekends. But now I think it is time to devote no time to it as well, and this is where my contractor friend comes in.

Do you foresee any obstacles?
 
After you contract out your job to the first mini-me, you can go apply for a second job with same position as your current, and then repeat. Keep going until you have enough passive income to retire early.
 
After you contract out your job to the first mini-me, you can go apply for a second job with same position as your current, and then repeat. Keep going until you have enough passive income to retire early.
UberWorks?

Doesn't your office have chairs?

City removed them five years ago in an administrative effort to boost productivity. They paid an efficiency consultant 150k for that idea.
 
Has anyone here contracted out their own job?

I'm a long-standing city employee, doing what many would call an "unskilled" job. I got in when the going was good and the union was strong, right before I turned 19. The new guys now are under a different contract, with much lower wages and no pension.

In the private sector, the same job is often done for minimum wage, usually by recent arrivals. What's to stop me from just hiring one of those arrivals for minimum wage (or minimum wage plus 25 cents, to attract applicants) and sending them to work in my stead? Work gets done, practically impossible to get fired from the job (thanks, union!), a job seeker finds gainful employment, and I still keep over half my wages, complete benefits, plus full pension. It's win-win-win-win. The job is primarily outdoors with minimal supervision. I'd just hand el hombre my badge and punch code number.

"But Tété Amàre," you ask. "You're a wealthy landowner, a tennis club proprietor, a landlord, some kind of store owner and order packing facility manager. Why do you have a full-time job as well?"

It's simple. I got it before any of those things, and when I decided to do those things, I kept my job, for the guaranteed job security, seniority-based raises over the decades, unparalleled pension and early retirement. The land is rented out to neighbour farmers and requires no time, other than defending it from trespassers. I divested my share of the tennis club when it was forcibly shut down for global health reasons, a GM runs the store, and the facility management is basically a hobby after hours. Landlording isn't really a job, it's passive income like your stock portfolio. The city job is a strict 37.5 hours per week, days, no weekends. But now I think it is time to devote no time to it as well, and this is where my contractor friend comes in.

Do you foresee any obstacles?
Try it. The first time you hire a dishonest or lazy person who sleeps on the job or steals from the job, you will get found out and you will get fired.
 
Has anyone here contracted out their own job?

I'm a long-standing city employee, doing what many would call an "unskilled" job. I got in when the going was good and the union was strong, right before I turned 19. The new guys now are under a different contract, with much lower wages and no pension.

In the private sector, the same job is often done for minimum wage, usually by recent arrivals. What's to stop me from just hiring one of those arrivals for minimum wage (or minimum wage plus 25 cents, to attract applicants) and sending them to work in my stead? Work gets done, practically impossible to get fired from the job (thanks, union!), a job seeker finds gainful employment, and I still keep over half my wages, complete benefits, plus full pension. It's win-win-win-win. The job is primarily outdoors with minimal supervision. I'd just hand el hombre my badge and punch code number.

"But Tété Amàre," you ask. "You're a wealthy landowner, a tennis club proprietor, a landlord, some kind of store owner and order packing facility manager. Why do you have a full-time job as well?"

It's simple. I got it before any of those things, and when I decided to do those things, I kept my job, for the guaranteed job security, seniority-based raises over the decades, unparalleled pension and early retirement. The land is rented out to neighbour farmers and requires no time, other than defending it from trespassers. I divested my share of the tennis club when it was forcibly shut down for global health reasons, a GM runs the store, and the facility management is basically a hobby after hours. Landlording isn't really a job, it's passive income like your stock portfolio. The city job is a strict 37.5 hours per week, days, no weekends. But now I think it is time to devote no time to it as well, and this is where my contractor friend comes in.

Do you foresee any obstacles?
The easier way to do it is clone yourself and send your clone to work.
 
Nah. It's a city job--union.

I would replace the contractor though.
In a past life nearly 30 years ago, I was a rookie design engineer for the military arm of The Boeing Co.

Jobs were unionized. We had Designers (guys without 4-year engineering degrees) who did the cad work to incorporate the changes made by the engineers.

We had a 20-year veteran designer named Steve. The only time I used steve for my changes, I regretted it because he did such a sloppy error-filled job.

Every Saturday, Steve would come in, grab his automotive magazine, kick his feet up on the desk of his cubical, and declare loudly to the cubical bay “I’m on call!”

Saturday meant time and a half pay. But nobody would use steve for their drawings.
 
Back in your day, however, Boeings stayed in the air instead of crashing to the ground. Is this really swings and roundabouts?

In a past life nearly 30 years ago, I was a rookie design engineer for the military arm of The Boeing Co.

Jobs were unionized. We had Designers (guys without 4-year engineering degrees) who did the cad work to incorporate the changes made by the engineers.

We had a 20-year veteran designer named Steve. The only time I used steve for my changes, I regretted it because he did such a sloppy error-filled job.

Every Saturday, Steve would come in, grab his automotive magazine, kick his feet up on the desk of his cubical, and declare loudly to the cubical bay “I’m on call!”

Saturday meant time and a half pay. But nobody would use steve for their drawings.
 
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If you watch Judge Judy, she had a lot of cases where a tenant rented a house from the owner of the house. Then the tenant rented out the rooms to multiple people and the tenant collected more rent per month than they paid per month to the owner of the house.
 
No, none at all. In fact after you've been doing it for a while you should brag to your boss about the cool set-up you came up with.
 
No, none at all. In fact after you've been doing it for a while you should brag to your boss about the cool set-up you came up with.

Indeed. But then he might get ideas about doing the same with his subordinates. However, to get the lower wages and reduced benefits, city management had to agree not to contract out union positions. But there's no rule saying the workers can't contract out!

If you watch Judge Judy, she had a lot of cases where a tenant rented a house from the owner of the house. Then the tenant rented out the rooms to multiple people and the tenant collected more rent per month than they paid per month to the owner of the house.

That's entrepreneurship, and should be rewarded in American jurisprudence.
 
Indeed. But then he might get ideas about doing the same with his subordinates. However, to get the lower wages and reduced benefits, city management had to agree not to contract out union positions. But there's no rule saying the workers can't contract out!



That's entrepreneurship, and should be rewarded in American jurisprudence.
That is called sub-letting. It is becoming more dangerous due to criminal liability when the landlord doesn't have the information about who is staying on his property.
 
I also do not recommend that you subcontract out your son to replace your job as a husband -- no matter how much he incists.
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That is called sub-letting. It is becoming more dangerous due to criminal liability when the landlord doesn't have the information about who is staying on his property.
Landlord can solve the problem by raising the rent to the market clearing rate--or higher.
 
After you contract out your job to the first mini-me, you can go apply for a second job with same position as your current, and then repeat. Keep going until you have enough passive income to retire early.
You'd think.

But as I said, I got in just before the gravy train ran out of steam. Those kinds of unicorn jobs are pretty much gone.

Union heads got a lot of heat in the press for agreeing to reduced wages for the new hires. But honestly they weren't going to agree to pay cuts for themselves. The old guys had families, houses, cars, cottages, boats, the whole nine yards. It would be wrong to force us into a pay cut or buyout. It's different for the new guys, they're just starting out. And maybe it's for the best. Do they really want to spend the rest of their lives doing this? Probably best they go back to school, get an education, make something of themselves.
 
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