copying nadal?

[objectivity]

i know nadal isn't the first player to use the lasso finish, but i think its safe to say that he is probably the first player to use it so much.

i have noticed that novak, murray, and even federer have been increasingly incorporating the lasso finish. with greater frequency than before. do you think they are trying to copy nadal?

 

[The Green Mile]

They do it every now and then, when hitting crosscourt, and/or trying to get more angle on that crosscourt forehand. Especially on clay. No, I don't think they are trying to copy Nadal though...

 

[clayqueen]

I think they all copy each other to improve their game, why not? Rafa now does the cross court forehand return that did so well for Nole when he saved BP against Federer at The USO in the 2010 SF.

What irritates me is Nole copying Rafa's celebrations. Because he is not built the way Rafa is and really doesn't look like Rafa, the fist pumps and determined look make Nole look menacing and sneering.

 

[objectivity]

They do it every now and then, when hitting crosscourt, and/or trying to get more angle on that crosscourt forehand. Especially on clay. No, I don't think they are trying to copy Nadal though...

thing is, they are doing it more. at least that's what i have been observing.

 

[The Green Mile]

thing is, they are doing it more. at least that's what i have been observing.

Beats me man....I usually start seeing it, majority, in long and gruelling rallies.

 

[MichaelNadal]

I definitely notice it too, Federer and Djokovic both use it A LOT more than before. I don't think it's copying Rafa, but they usually use it when getting pulled out of position or trying to create a big angle. I think 20 years from now, we'll see a lot of lasso forehands being hit from a lot of players though.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

I definitely notice it too, Federer and Djokovic both use it A LOT more than before. I don't think it's copying Rafa, but they usually use it when getting pulled out of position or trying to create a big angle. I think 20 years from now, we'll see a lot of lasso forehands being hit from a lot of players though.

You're The Rob Van Dam of TTW? Kindly explain please.

And your post above is pretty much spot imo.

 

[junior74]

Even on amateur level, if you finish those shots (when pushed out wide, trying to hit it back cross court) with the racquet behind your back, you will fall not only to your opponent, but to the laws of gravity, as well. I think it is known as the centrifugal force?

 

[JRAJ1988]

Wouldn't the lasso forehand have negative effects for most players shoulders in the long run?

Andreev had a different forehand, I can't remember if it was a lasso one but he completely screwed his shoulder with that.

 

[objectivity]

I definitely notice it too, Federer and Djokovic both use it A LOT more than before. I don't think it's copying Rafa, but they usually use it when getting pulled out of position or trying to create a big angle. I think 20 years from now, we'll see a lot of lasso forehands being hit from a lot of players though.

i think nadal is so ahead of the pack, its scary.

 

[MichaelNadal]

You're The Rob Van Dam of TTW? Kindly explain please.

And your post above is pretty much spot imo.

Well, I'm an old timer that's still around, tells things like they are and is one of a kind. And we don't mind a little gandalf action :lol:

i think nadal is so ahead of the pack, its scary.

Honestly, I do think his topspin fh tecnique and topspin in general, will definitely have a huge influence on the way players approach the game moving forward. Especially since baseline tennis will be the only thing we see for a long time unless the surfaces speed up.

 

[Petrus]

i think nadal is so ahead of the pack, its scary.

haha, this is funny

that forehand has been around for decades
people used to call it "reverse" forehand and it is mostly used when you get pulled out wide and you want to hit cross court

there was an article on this in Tennis magazine 10-15 years ago

 

[MichaelNadal]

haha, this is funny

that forehand has been around for decades
people used to call it "reverse" forehand and it is mostly used when you get pulled out wide and you want to hit cross court

there was an article on this in Tennis magazine 10-15 years ago

No one is saying Nadal invented topspin or was the first person to finish a fh over his head. We all know that's not how he meant it. :roll:

 

[MichaelNadal]

haha, this is funny

that forehand has been around for decades
people used to call it "reverse" forehand and it is mostly used when you get pulled out wide and you want to hit cross court

there was an article on this in Tennis magazine 10-15 years ago

No one is saying Nadal invented topspin or was the first person to finish a fh over his head. We all know that's not how he meant it. :roll: Have a snickers.

 

[Mick]

i think Ferrer copied Nadal's post match victory arms raise. Or it could be Nadal that copied Ferrer's because they look identical

 

[LeeD]

What?
Lindsay Davenport and Steffi Graf was using reverse finish, high racket on the followthru's of shots needing more topspin and safe margins, especially pushed on the run and not feet set.
That would be mid '80's, for all you youngsters.
Tom Okker in the mid '70's, Johan Kriek in the late '70's, for men's.

 

[Deleted member 733170]

In fairness (this coming from a Federer fan) a few of the top ten were interviewed a few years ago about what component parts of other players games they thought were the best. I always remembered Murray saying he liked Nadal's forehand as he thought "it was bringing something new to the game"! I also remember from the same interview Isner commenting that his own serve was rather amazing!

 

[NatF]

In fairness (this coming from a Federer fan) a few of the top ten were interviewed a few years ago about what component parts of other players games they thought were the best. I always remembered Murray saying he liked Nadal's forehand as he thought "it was bringing something new to the game"! I also remember from the same interview Isner commenting that his own serve was rather amazing!

Murray of a few years back wanting a different forehand isn't so strange is it?

 

[merwy]

I definitely notice it too, Federer and Djokovic both use it A LOT more than before. I don't think it's copying Rafa, but they usually use it when getting pulled out of position or trying to create a big angle. I think 20 years from now, we'll see a lot of lasso forehands being hit from a lot of players though.

Really? I think you're a little biased because you're a pretty hardcore nadal fan. If the lasso forehand would really become that popular we would already be seeing it much more on tour. (just like Dimitrov, who imitates Federer). I have never seen someone play on tour with a Nadal-forehand, nor have I even seen youtube videos of little kids playing with one. I think coaches still teach the same standard forehand to players.

 

[objectivity]

No one is saying Nadal invented topspin or was the first person to finish a fh over his head. We all know that's not how he meant it. :roll: Have a snickers.

thank you.

i was watching a 2005 nadal match and he was hitting roughly 50% of his forehands with a lasso finish. by 2009, it was easily 85-90%, and it has stayed roughly that percentage since. i counted for like a set for the 2013 US Open final. djokovic did the lasso finish for right around 15% of his forehands.

 

[objectivity]

and while you guys may dispute this, i think nadal is pretty much the only player that uses a lasso finish for an inside out forehand or an inside-in forehand.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Really? I think you're a little biased because you're a pretty hardcore nadal fan. If the lasso forehand would really become that popular we would already be seeing it much more on tour. (just like Dimitrov, who imitates Federer). I have never seen someone play on tour with a Nadal-forehand, nor have I even seen youtube videos of little kids playing with one. I think coaches still teach the same standard forehand to players.

Sigh. It has nothing to do with who I'm a fan of but the speed of the courts and how successful that style can be on them. I couldn't care any less how people play in 20 years, yet my eyes are open and I can see where the game is going. If you expect to see a bunch of baby Federer's you're in for a rude awakening.

 

[Gary Duane]

Honestly, I do think his topspin fh tecnique and topspin in general, will definitely have a huge influence on the way players approach the game moving forward. Especially since baseline tennis will be the only thing we see for a long time unless the surfaces speed up.

I totally agree with you. Any shot that works is going to be copied, to some extent.

Do you remember when drive volleys started to become frequent? It seems to me that I almost never saw them, then suddenly everyone was doing it. How much of this is the equipment?

 

[merwy]

Sigh. It has nothing to do with who I'm a fan of but the speed of the courts and how successful that style can be on them. Sheesh. If you disagree, that's an entirely different thing, but leave your Nadal hate out of it. I couldn't care any less how people play in 20 years, yet my eyes are open and I can see where the game is going. If you expect to see a bunch of baby Federer's you're in for a rude awakening.

What? There wasn't any hate in my post, man:neutral: Unlike in yours..
The only thing I said is that I don't expect it to happen.

 

[MichaelNadal]

What? There wasn't any hate in my post, man:neutral: Unlike in yours..
The only thing I said is that I don't expect it to happen.

Maybe so, but i'm tired of all the generalizations on here. You can't make a single statement that even benefits Nadal in an extremely roundabout way without it being because he's my favorite player. I had already edited my post because it did come off overly harsh. I never had a problem with you before.

 

[objectivity]

Really? I think you're a little biased because you're a pretty hardcore nadal fan. If the lasso forehand would really become that popular we would already be seeing it much more on tour. (just like Dimitrov, who imitates Federer). I have never seen someone play on tour with a Nadal-forehand, nor have I even seen youtube videos of little kids playing with one. I think coaches still teach the same standard forehand to players.

one reason i think why it hasn't been THAT popular yet, is because it is actually rather difficult to hit a lasso forehand consistently with pace. you need a tonne of shoulder and forearm strength.

 

[merwy]

Maybe so, but i'm tired of all the generalizations on here. You can't make a single statement that even benefits Nadal in an extremely roundabout way without it being because he's my favorite player. I had already edited my post because it did come off overly harsh. I never had a problem with you before.

Okay no problem. The reason I said the part about you being biased, is because I thought that being a fan of someone might make you think that he has a bigger influence on the game than that he has in reality. But I shouldn't have said it anyway.

I think the problem is mostly that Nadal's technique is so unconventional and can feel uncomfortable and unnatural for beginners. So they're unlikely to use it as their standard forehand. At least, that's what I think.

 

[Deleted member 733170]

one reason i think why it hasn't been THAT popular yet, is because it is actually rather difficult to hit a lasso forehand consistently with pace. you need a tonne of shoulder and forearm strength.

I'm not sure how much you have tried it, but at my amateur level I found it pretty taxing on the abdominals too.

 

[gambitt]

I hit a couple of lasso forehands per set without really thinking. When you're out of position sometimes you just improvise with whatever feels natural.

 

[uncle pollo]

I'm not sure how much you have tried it, but at my amateur level I found it pretty taxing on the abdominals too.

I need to do it when my hitting partner has monster top spin.

 

[uncle pollo]

I hit a couple of lasso forehands per set without really thinking. When you're out of position sometimes you just improvise with whatever feels natural.

It works ...

 

[gut wax]

thank you.

i was watching a 2005 nadal match and he was hitting roughly 50% of his forehands with a lasso finish. by 2009, it was easily 85-90%, and it has stayed roughly that percentage since. i counted for like a set for the 2013 US Open final. djokovic did the lasso finish for right around 15% of his forehands.

It's just another of his tics.

***-scratch thru Lasso - Check.

IBM Watson should include such percentages.