Corona virus “redshirt” - scholarship fiasco

fireForehand

New User
Many of the seniors are robbed of the final season for all sports. They should be allowed to come back. Or I saw someone post earlier, they should delay NCAAs to later summer if they have to.

If they allow for a redshirt for spring sports this would create a bottleneck for recruiting. Coaches have plans for seniors to leave...then all of a sudden freshman are coming in asking for scholarship money...also could lead to some super loaded teams.

Universities should honor fifth year/ redshirts outside of the 4.5/8 scholarships per or whatever the max is for each sport.

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Has any team not played the majority of their season yet in D1?

Its looking like the NCAA is going to actually just trash everyone's year on this.

Its a total mess because tennis is not the only sport we are dealing with. They are going to have to blanket approve this and basketball is going to get the most talk and its going to royally mess things up across the hundreds of D1 schools we are talking about there with scholarships for basketball.

Its not gonna happen.
 

JLyon

Hall of Fame
Basketball was basically done already for 75% of teams.
Tennis, Track, Lacrosse, Baseball, Softball, etc.. were less than 50% done
 

jcgatennismom

Professional
Universities should honor fifth year/ redshirts outside of the 4.5/8 scholarships per or whatever the max is for each sport.

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Even if NCAA approved waivers for seniors to have a 5th year, how would university sports teams afford to pay for those extra scholarships? Even the P5 teams will be hurting after losing basketball revenue. I would not be surprised if ADs ask for budget cuts next year for P5s. TEnnis teams may have less $ for travel. How are they going to make up for lost basketball revenue? College sports are funded primarily by ticket/TV revenue, booster donations, and student fees. Donors are most generous after great seasons so the first two sources will be down, and universities will have protests if they raise student fees. Already parents are angry about paid for housing, meal plans, and unexpected emergency expenses for flights and/or storage when their students have been sent home for a month or at some schools the rest of the semester.

For universities where basketball was not a money maker, it may be business as usual but still no extra $ in budget for 5th year scholarships. Midmajor, NAIA, D2 teams wouldnt have the budget to fund 5th year for seniors if $ already given out to new recruits. Plus for tennis, most US players graduate in 4 years. Many US athletes have merit/academic scholarships too with 4 year limit unless they are in grad school which would be separate application-universities are not going to give academic $ just for players to take 12 undergrad credits to play in spring if they have already graduated. Now the job market is going to be awful for this year's graduates so maybe some would return to earn a minor or a certificate program or do an internship/co-op in fall and then play/take graduate courses in spring. Now for international players that started their freshman year in January, having a 5th year could help as they could use a 5th year to graduate.

Now some freshman recruits may decide not to come-especially those from Europe and free up $ for seniors if waivers are granted. I am wondering how European recruits will get home if the flight ban is extended and the major airlines dont have flights to Europe in May when school ends. If European recruits hear about bad experiences from current players, they may decide not to come or delay September start to January to see if the virus blows over. Unfortunately some models show the virus lasting 12-18 months with a slowdown in the summer before roaring back in fall. I hope that's not the case, but even as an American parent, I wonder if my son should sign a lease for an off campus apartment for next year in case courses continue to be online for fall. He was about to renew before all the shutdowns this week. Now we have to decide whether to risk him not having a place to live next year or committing to pay months of rent for an apartment he wont live in. If state governors, provosts of state university systems, etc are going to make decisions on whether students can be on campus or not, I hope those states will also legislate new laws that allow the breaking of leases due to coronavirus for the many students who live off campus and spend thousands a year on rent.
 
Will chime in here: it is not believed tennis (and golf) will be part of this eligibility relief. Reason being that while their championship are played in the spring, they are not spring sports due to having both fall and spring semester. True spring sports are believe to be baseball, men's and women's lacrosse, softball and men's volleyball (per ESPN)
 

bobleenov1963

Hall of Fame
Even if NCAA approved waivers for seniors to have a 5th year, how would university sports teams afford to pay for those extra scholarships? Even the P5 teams will be hurting after losing basketball revenue. I would not be surprised if ADs ask for budget cuts next year for P5s. TEnnis teams may have less $ for travel. How are they going to make up for lost basketball revenue? College sports are funded primarily by ticket/TV revenue, booster donations, and student fees. Donors are most generous after great seasons so the first two sources will be down, and universities will have protests if they raise student fees. Already parents are angry about paid for housing, meal plans, and unexpected emergency expenses for flights and/or storage when their students have been sent home for a month or at some schools the rest of the semester.

For universities where basketball was not a money maker, it may be business as usual but still no extra $ in budget for 5th year scholarships. Midmajor, NAIA, D2 teams wouldnt have the budget to fund 5th year for seniors if $ already given out to new recruits. Plus for tennis, most US players graduate in 4 years. Many US athletes have merit/academic scholarships too with 4 year limit unless they are in grad school which would be separate application-universities are not going to give academic $ just for players to take 12 undergrad credits to play in spring if they have already graduated. Now the job market is going to be awful for this year's graduates so maybe some would return to earn a minor or a certificate program or do an internship/co-op in fall and then play/take graduate courses in spring. Now for international players that started their freshman year in January, having a 5th year could help as they could use a 5th year to graduate.

Now some freshman recruits may decide not to come-especially those from Europe and free up $ for seniors if waivers are granted. I am wondering how European recruits will get home if the flight ban is extended and the major airlines dont have flights to Europe in May when school ends. If European recruits hear about bad experiences from current players, they may decide not to come or delay September start to January to see if the virus blows over. Unfortunately some models show the virus lasting 12-18 months with a slowdown in the summer before roaring back in fall. I hope that's not the case, but even as an American parent, I wonder if my son should sign a lease for an off campus apartment for next year in case courses continue to be online for fall. He was about to renew before all the shutdowns this week. Now we have to decide whether to risk him not having a place to live next year or committing to pay months of rent for an apartment he wont live in. If state governors, provosts of state university systems, etc are going to make decisions on whether students can be on campus or not, I hope those states will also legislate new laws that allow the breaking of leases due to coronavirus for the many students who live off campus and spend thousands a year on rent.

For 99.99% of the schools, football and basketball are revenue generated sports. Everything else is money "loser". I am sure the schools are very happy the whole spring sports get cancelled because it will save the athletic departments lot of $$$. Schools are not happy that March madness gets cancelled because 1B+ in revenue is gone from the athletic budget. Especially with the criticism of schools using AA athletes in revenue of football and basketball to support other non-revenue sports like tennis, golf, swimming, lacrosse, etc.. where most athletes are not AA, I am pretty sure schools will not do it.
 
Will chime in here: it is not believed tennis (and golf) will be part of this eligibility relief. Reason being that while their championship are played in the spring, they are not spring sports due to having both fall and spring semester. True spring sports are believe to be baseball, men's and women's lacrosse, softball and men's volleyball (per ESPN)
thats rough. I would imagine that every college tennis player would give up the fall season for the spring dual season.

Don’t baseball and softball play a few fall games?
 
thats rough. I would imagine that every college tennis player would give up the fall season for the spring dual season.

Don’t baseball and softball play a few fall games?
I think they do. I know the college I went to does have some softball exhibitions in the fall that don't count towards overall record. Additionally, I know soccer always has unofficial things in the spring. However, both of those are team sports (yes I know college tennis is about the team aspect, but tennis is considered an individual sport by NCAA). Team sports always have different rules than individual sports. The tome that is the NCAA rulebook probably spells it all out, but even then, it is very difficult to understand.

I agree with you that every college player would give up their fall. As of right now, still a lot of uncertainty and probably remain that way until a final decision, then appeals out the wazoo.
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
I wonder how the academic and athletic concerns balance out. I know the NCAA only pays lip service, but the main point of going to college is to get your degree. So, if the senior athletes who's seasons are canceled still finish their degree via online classes or in some other manner this spring or summer, does it really make sense to bring them back for athletics next year? In essence, their scholarship still covered their education. Unfortunate and frustrating - absolutely, but that's life. They got a scholarship for a university education and they got their degree even if they didn't get to finish their last season.

On the other hand, what if due to school closures, academic offerings, either in general or for specific majors (like those where they need work in labs), aren't available and they can't finish their degree this spring? Then what? These are the players who really have a legit argument for a redshirt - again, they signed up to play in exchange for 4 or 5 years of education that would end with a degree.

I would just leave it to individual schools. The NCAA sets a blanket rule - a school MAY offer a "Covid Redshirt" if certain criteria are met - either all spring sport athletes, or all spring sport athletes who weren't able to finish their degree in the spring and/or summer of 2020. Then given scholarship limits and school resources, it would be up to the schools to handle it as best they can. There's no way every school can handle it in the same manner. Some teams - for a "bench" senior may not want to commit a scholarship to him or her. But, if he or she couldn't finish their degree this year, then the school should come up with a semester of tuition some other way - waivers from the university or money from boosters or something.

Just ideas. It's a mess.
 
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Yeah you bring up a lot of problems and good points. I bet once the pain and emotions of having their career cut short out of the blue and not having a senior day starts to fade, many will realize they don’t want to actually spend a whole extra year in college. Especially if they have plans outside of tennis moving forward. So I imagine not as many seniors will use the extra year as we expect. Some will for sure but it may not even be a majority.
 
Yeah you bring up a lot of problems and good points. I bet once the pain and emotions of having their career cut short out of the blue and not having a senior day starts to fade, many will realize they don’t want to actually spend a whole extra year in college. Especially if they have plans outside of tennis moving forward. So I imagine not as many seniors will use the extra year as we expect. Some will for sure but it may not even be a majority.
I am guessing the vast majority of D1 seniors will not utilize this extra year across all these sports.

The most likely people to take advantage are going to be those on teams that are already contenders for titles and who actually have a scholarship.

In tennis it will be small number of people from the schools I can list off the top of my head and count on my fingers
 

SpringWater

New User
Is this covid-red shirt applicable to all members of the tennis team, Freshman, sophmores, and juniors? Seems that they would want another year too if they could ??
Also isnt tennis considered a spring sport by the NCAA contradicting what someone else said about tennis wouldnt be in this discussion because season starts in the fall?
Also would not Juniors in HS be most affected since the coach may now have a backlog of players to fit within his/her budget?
 

am1899

Hall of Fame
What I’m hearing is Div 1 is balking at offering waivers for tennis players as they don’t consider tennis a spring sport.

In contrast, I’m told the Div 3 committee swiftly decided to grant a blanket waiver for all spring sport participants, including tennis, no exceptions.

Don’t know for sure about Div 2.
 

ClarkC

Hall of Fame
NCAA made the extra year for spring sports official yesterday. But, is tennis a spring sport? That is still the big question.
 

mikej

Hall of Fame
NCAA made the extra year for spring sports official yesterday. But, is tennis a spring sport? That is still the big question.
Was on the list I saw, and I also think it’s the wrong decision - bad time to be an incoming freshman, lots of clogged teams
 

andfor

Legend
Was on the list I saw, and I also think it’s the wrong decision - bad time to be an incoming freshman, lots of clogged teams
I'm anticipating we'll see few more redshirts in 2020/21 than during typical years.

NCAA made the extra year for spring sports official yesterday. But, is tennis a spring sport? That is still the big question.
My guess is yes, tennis is a spring sport. Saw a DI team announce on SM yesterday 3 current seniors are returning with an addition of 2 incoming freshman.
 
I'm anticipating we'll see few more redshirts in 2020/21 than during typical years.
Not sure how programs will be able to manage this. There are very few college tennis programs that have an active redshirt program. Almost unheard of in womens. Redshirts still count toward the scholarship limit which will revert back to 4.5 for mens and 8 for womens in D1 after 2021.

My guess is yes, tennis is a spring sport. Saw a DI team announce on SM yesterday 3 current seniors are returning with an addition of 2 incoming freshman.
Correct, tennis/rowing/golf/outdoor track/etc all got moved in to the spring sports.

Financially, I'm not sure how many schools will be able to afford this as the NCAA ruling basically punts the issue back to individual schools and conferences.
 

andfor

Legend
Not sure how programs will be able to manage this. There are very few college tennis programs that have an active redshirt program. Almost unheard of in womens. Redshirts still count toward the scholarship limit which will revert back to 4.5 for mens and 8 for womens in D1 after 2021.



Correct, tennis/rowing/golf/outdoor track/etc all got moved in to the spring sports.

Financially, I'm not sure how many schools will be able to afford this as the NCAA ruling basically punts the issue back to individual schools and conferences.
There's a lot to be unsure of. The one thing that's clear is Senior tennis players are getting another year and for those student athletes that want it I'm happy for them. How it impacts teams budgets and incoming freshman is anyone's guess unless a coach or someone with details of the ruling jump in here. Until then, we'll just have to wait and see.
 
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