Could 2023 Djokovic win a set against 2025 Sinner in a match at Wimbledon?

Could 2023 Djokovic win a set against 2025 Sinner in a match at Wimbledon?

  • No, he loses in straight sets

    Votes: 13 41.9%

  • Yes, he wins one set, but loses in 4

    Votes: 6 19.4%

  • He wins two sets, but loses in 5

    Votes: 2 6.5%

  • Toss-up

    Votes: 3 9.7%

  • Heck, Djokovic WINS the match

    Votes: 7 22.6%
  • Total voters
    31
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As much as I appreciate Sinner's extraordinarily high level throughout this year's Wimbledon and am delighted that he avenged his loss from the 2023 SF, I cannot deny that Djokovic performed poorly in the SF. IMHO Djokovic played clearly better in 2023.
And while I believe that 2025 Sinner would still defeat 2023 Djokovic quite comfortably at Wimbledon, I think the match would be closer than it was two days ago.

With that being said, the question here is: could the 2023 version of Djokovic win even one set in a hypothetical SF match against Sinner?

My personal opinion would be: no, Sinner still wins in straight sets, but each set would be much closer - something like 7-6, 7-5, 6-4
 
Nadal has 14 RG titles, Federer has 8 WB titles, and Djokovic has 10 AO titles. Together, those count for 32 Slams.
But if Sinner were born in the same era as them, the 32 would be reduced to ZERO - well, by that, I mean that they will all be transferred to one single individual.
 
Megafanoftennis100 said:
Nadal has 14 RG titles, Federer has 8 WB titles, and Djokovic has 10 AO titles. Together, those count for 32 Slams.
But if Sinner were born in the same era as them, the 32 would be reduced to ZERO - well, by that, I mean that they will all be transferred to one single individual.
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Sinner is not passing nadal test. Nadal still would have won minimum 10 titles even if alcaraz and sinner goes back in time and borg comes to future.
WB is not clear yet . Sinner has to beat carlos to convince that he could have won against fedrer. Novak 10 AO CAN cut to 6 as SINNER is equal in terms of Novak at hard court.
 
Novak in 2023 straight setted Sinner comfortably 6-3 6-4 7-6. Considering Sinner was fully fit and not clearly hampered like Novak on Friday then both victories were almost as clear cut.

I would perhaps pick Sinner 2025 to beat Novak of 2023 in 5 sets.

However, i would pick Novak of 2011,14,15,19,21 & even 22 to beat Sinner in 4 or 5 sets far more often than not.
 
The tour is so mediocre without Sinneraz, that annual versions of both and Djokovic should be created and have them compete against each other.

So for example, slam’s quarterfinals would feature these players, like vintages: Sinner 2023, Sinner 2024, Alcaraz 2024, Alcaraz 2025, Djokovic 2023, Djokovic 2024, Sinner 2025, Alcaraz 2025, and so on.
 
paolo2143 said:
Novak in 2023 straight setted Sinner comfortably 6-3 6-4 7-6. Considering Sinner was fully fit and not clearly hampered like Novak on Friday then both victories were almost as clear cut.

I would perhaps pick Sinner 2025 to beat Novak of 2023 in 5 sets.

However, i would pick Novak of 2011,14,15,19,21 & even 22 to beat Sinner in 4 or 5 sets far more often than not.
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LOL
Sorry but no way.
2019 Djokovic almost lost to a 38 year old Federer, who is undoubtedly far inferior to the current version of Jannik Sinner, even on grass.
2021 Djokovic lost a set to BERRETINI of all people. Sinner would've dismantled that same Berretini with utter ease, even with an injury.
2022 Djokovic was forced to a very close match against KYRGIOS (ROFLMAO). And a vastly inferior version of Sinner pushed this Djokovic to 5 sets.
 

Could 2023 Djokovic win a set against 2025 Sinner in a match at Wimbledon?​

2025 Djokovic could "win a set" or perhaps even two sets or the match, had he not been injured. Yes, you may be right that he's too old and slow but he also has had a clear issue with his forehand which was a direct result of his injury. If you watched the match, you could've seen Novak's poor side-stepping on the forehand bounce that resulted in so many unforced forehand errors; many of them ended up in the net for he could not move his legs around the ball and take a good enough swing at his usually fine forehand. Without this issue of his forehand, Sinner-Djokovic Wimby semis 2025 would have been much closer.
 
It would be a closer match. We don’t know what would happen though. Djokovic was better back then but sinner is much better now than in 2023. It would likely go long and a long 4/5 set match as both guys would be in top form or close to it.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
It would be a closer match. We don’t know what would happen though. Djokovic was better back then but sinner is much better now than in 2023. It would likely go long and a long 4/5 set match as both guys would be in top form or close to it.
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I think Sinner would win in straight sets.

Sinner lost in straight sets and Sinner won 96 points and Djokovic won 106 points in 2023 . Sinner won 35 return points compared to 29 for Novak in 2023. And this was before peak Sinner. If we put 2025 Sinner in those same shoes, Sinner would win in 3. The score line was misleading even though he lost in straights because he generated nearly the same amount of breakpoints as Novak did in the match, he just didn’t convert any of them because he choked them away as a top player wouldn’t. So I still think it would be straights
 
dking68 said:
I think Sinner would win in straight sets.

Sinner lost in straight sets and Sinner won 96 points and Djokovic won 106 points in 2023 . Sinner won 35 return points compared to 29 for Novak in 2023. And this was before peak Sinner. If we put 2025 Sinner in those same shoes, Sinner would win in 3. The score line was misleading even though he lost in straights because he generated nearly the same amount of breakpoints as Novak did in the match, he just didn’t convert any of them because he choked them away as a top player wouldn’t. So I still think it would be straights
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I agree that sinner might win. As you say he was close in the sets and the year before he was 2 sets up in 2022.

Sinner is a nightmare matchup for Djoko too so you right. I think I’d go sinner in 4/5 instead straights but sinner probably has the edge to win. Sinner in 4 or 5 sets
 
@Djokovic_is_the_best#1 The score is misleading despite a straight set win. It was a 3 hour 3 setter

Novak barely won that match. Sinner had an equal chance of winning it in 2023 as he had of losing it. He just didn’t convert any of his breakpoints, yet he outreturned Novak in 2023, and held serve almost as good as the 2023 version.

If we put 2025 Sinner who returns so much better, would serve so much better, and convert more break points and generate more break points, it’s hard to see Sinner not winning in 3. That’s how much he improved. And it was a match where Novak won 106 points and Sinner won 96. So I’m thinking 2025 Sinner would be 135 and Novak would be 106 points or so - basically a straight set win.
 
dking68 said:
@Djokovic_is_the_best#1 The score is misleading despite a straight set win. It was a 3 hour 3 setter

Novak barely won that match. Sinner had an equal chance of winning it in 2023 as he had of losing it. He just didn’t convert any of his breakpoints, yet he outreturned Novak in 2023, and held serve almost as good as the 2023 version.

If we put 2025 Sinner who returns so much better, would serve so much better, and convert more break points and generate more break points, it’s hard to see Sinner not winning in 3. That’s how much he improved. And it was a match where Novak won 106 points and Sinner won 96. So I’m thinking 2025 Sinner would be 135 and Novak would be 106 points or so - basically a straight set win.
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Good points made.
 
dking68 said:
@Djokovic_is_the_best#1 The score is misleading despite a straight set win. It was a 3 hour 3 setter

Novak barely won that match. Sinner had an equal chance of winning it in 2023 as he had of losing it. He just didn’t convert any of his breakpoints, yet he outreturned Novak in 2023, and held serve almost as good as the 2023 version.

If we put 2025 Sinner who returns so much better, would serve so much better, and convert more break points and generate more break points, it’s hard to see Sinner not winning in 3. That’s how much he improved. And it was a match where Novak won 106 points and Sinner won 96. So I’m thinking 2025 Sinner would be 135 and Novak would be 106 points or so - basically a straight set win.
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Disagree completely Novak of 2023 would have beaten Injured Novak of Friday just as easily as Sinner did.

Novak 23 was still a beast of a returner and his movement , speed and endurance far better. But perhaps even more importantly Novak has complete belief that year that he Almost couldn't lose an important match.

Just look at the way he managed to defeat Alcaraz twice after his narrow Wimbledon loss.

Sinner of 25 may take it in 5 sets bit then again his record in 5 sets not great compared to Novak so he .might not even do that.

What I am much more certain about is Novak of 2011 or 2015 would have been too .much for Sinner of 25.
 
djoko would win at least one set, most likely, he should have done it two days ago (injury spoiled it a bit), to be honest, thus if could do it here, even more so he could do it two years ago
 
Sinner in 4 or 5. No way he wins in 3 but he does win overall. 2023 match was close enough that with the vast improvements we’ve seen since then, it would be enough in his favour

I’m slightly moving towards the view that current Sinner beats any Djokovic from Wimbledon since (and including) 2019, but obviously today might show otherwise
 
Now, here is a question I have:
How can Federer be considered the "GOAT" if he has never beaten prime Nadal at Roland Garros (nor even once managed to push him to 5 sets)?
The current version of Sinner would decimate even the 2008 version of Nadal in straight sets, which Federer utterly failed to do.
So Sinner is far more well rounded than Federer, on top of being more dominant on his favourite surface (Sinner at AO & USO >> Federer at WB).
 
2023 Djokovic would straight-set or at worst win in 4 sets, 2025 Sinner, easily! Remember the latter lost 2 sets to Dimitrov!
 
SonnyT said:
2023 Djokovic would straight-set or at worst win in 4 sets, 2025 Sinner, easily! Remember the latter lost 2 sets to Dimitrov!
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who, during those first two sets, was >> peak Nadal in 2008 RG final

Does 2023 Djokovic come even close to the level of 08 Nadal at RG?? I don't think so.
 
paolo2143 said:
Disagree completely Novak of 2023 would have beaten Injured Novak of Friday just as easily as Sinner did.

Novak 23 was still a beast of a returner and his movement , speed and endurance far better. But perhaps even more importantly Novak has complete belief that year that he Almost couldn't lose an important match.

Just look at the way he managed to defeat Alcaraz twice after his narrow Wimbledon loss.

Sinner of 25 may take it in 5 sets bit then again his record in 5 sets not great compared to Novak so he .might not even do that.

What I am much more certain about is Novak of 2011 or 2015 would have been too .much for Sinner of 25.
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You realize Djokovic’s dominance ratio over Sinner in 2023 at Wimbledon was 1.03? That means the margins were very thin and the scoreline didn’t reflect how close the match was. I’m sure Sinner 2025 would win in three or most four sets
 
Djokovic fans on this forum acting like Djokovic was even close to prime even in 2023 is super strange, and I am sure if with the alterior motive to debunk any weak era talk, as you can't have a 36 year old player well past his prime (aka what he was) totally dominant in anything but an incredibly weak era. Sinner would win, as even that Djokovic was clearly past his prime and 36 years old. Djokovic probably takes a set now though so voted Sinner in 4. The Sinner who lost in straight sets to Djokovic at Wimbledon 2023 would likely eat a couple breadstick sets to the current Sinner. The only games 2023 Sinner would get are the ones on his own serve he hit enough great first serves to hold.
 
paolo2143 said:
Novak in 2023 straight setted Sinner comfortably 6-3 6-4 7-6. Considering Sinner was fully fit and not clearly hampered like Novak on Friday then both victories were almost as clear cut.

I would perhaps pick Sinner 2025 to beat Novak of 2023 in 5 sets.

However, i would pick Novak of 2011,14,15,19,21 & even 22 to beat Sinner in 4 or 5 sets far more often than not.
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Sinner had two set points in the third; he could have easily won it and, with the momentum in his favor, take Djokovic to a fifth set, as he did the previous year.
 
LOL at acting like 2023 or even 2022 or 2021 Djokovic was some ultimate beast. Djokovic in the 2021 final was even playing outplayed by Berretini early and probably loses if Berretini did not fall apart. Current Sinner beats 2023 Djokovic easily.

As others have said Djokovic has been far past his prime for a very long time now. It is only the crummy field that allowed him to win so much. The field is still totally crummy today, just a bit less only due to Sinner and Alcarez, but still absolutely terrible.
 
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