Could Kenin have more stability than the recent GS winners?

Tennisfan339

Semi-Pro
One of the biggest problems with the WTA is that GS winners rarely confirm. They disappear for months and some can't even win a match. Muguruza is a good example. After she won the FO in 2016, she has terrible results until the end of the year (couldn't reach another SF).
Another good example was Li. After she won her first GS, she had an endless serie of 1R defeats. A lot of players like Stosur, Ostapenko, Pennetta, Stephens... had the same issue. Osaka won a 2nd GS but she had poor results after the AO last year. Wozniacki had disappointing results after she finally won her 1st Slam. Andreescu is injured since she won the USO and we don't know when she is coming back.
Barty didn't tank after she won the FO... she is likely the most regular player and that's why she is #1. But her results in Slams (4R, 4R and SF) are quite disappointing for a #1.

Maybe Kenin will do better. She was already ranked #12 and won 3 titles last year. She's already beaten Barty twice, Serena, Osaka, Andreescu, Bencic, Svitolina. She looks like she can perform on every surfaces (she won a title on Grass) and has a strong mentality (isn't afraid of anyone) She played an incredible match for her first big final.

What do yall think? Is she a future great player who can potentially win multiple slams? Or just another one-time Slam winner who will never confirm this win???
 

James P

Legend
Even though I like her, I highly doubt it. I see more staying power in Osaka, Andreescu, and Halep. Kenin will continue to get solid results, but I doubt we see the spectacular very often. I actually hope I'm wrong, but that's just the way I see it, currently.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Djokovic has shown Counter punchers can win a lot taking advantage of the slowed down dirty courts

Why not Kenin ?
 

insideguy

Legend
One of the biggest problems with the WTA is that GS winners rarely confirm. They disappear for months and some can't even win a match. Muguruza is a good example. After she won the FO in 2016, she has terrible results until the end of the year (couldn't reach another SF).
Another good example was Li. After she won her first GS, she had an endless serie of 1R defeats. A lot of players like Stosur, Ostapenko, Pennetta, Stephens... had the same issue. Osaka won a 2nd GS but she had poor results after the AO last year. Wozniacki had disappointing results after she finally won her 1st Slam. Andreescu is injured since she won the USO and we don't know when she is coming back.
Barty didn't tank after she won the FO... she is likely the most regular player and that's why she is #1. But her results in Slams (4R, 4R and SF) are quite disappointing for a #1.

Maybe Kenin will do better. She was already ranked #12 and won 3 titles last year. She's already beaten Barty twice, Serena, Osaka, Andreescu, Bencic, Svitolina. She looks like she can perform on every surfaces (she won a title on Grass) and has a strong mentality (isn't afraid of anyone) She played an incredible match for her first big final.

What do yall think? Is she a future great player who can potentially win multiple slams? Or just another one-time Slam winner who will never confirm this win???
What do you define a great player as? This is always hard to do. I mean of course you have the obvious ones. But when you say future great how do define that? Like someone who wins 6 slams? Or 4? Or stays in the top ten for 5 years? I don't really get the concept past the obvious players like Graff, Serena, Evert, Nav ect.
 

ibbi

Legend
I guess she has that higher percentage game like Halep which means she might be more consistent, but it's too early to say. She's young, she hasn't shown any great signs of consistency, and the amount of people who win one slam and then never do much of anything again over the past decade is a lot longer than the list of ones who have catapulted to sustained greatness.
 

J B

Semi-Pro
I guess she has that higher percentage game like Halep which means she might be more consistent, but it's too early to say. She's young, she hasn't shown any great signs of consistency, and the amount of people who win one slam and then never do much of anything again over the past decade is a lot longer than the list of ones who have catapulted to sustained greatness.
You don’t watch her do you. You also contradicted yourself. Halep has one weapon consistency. That’s what she is known for. Yet you just said Kenin who has shown remarkable consistently has not shown you enough. Lol!
 

helixx

Hall of Fame
Tbh she had a very easy path to the title up until semifinals. Then a tight match with Barty ( i think barty was nervous in front of the home crowd ) and Mugu collapsing in the final.

Andreescu is coming back in 2 weeks and with her and Osaka, Halep, Barty and others around I dont see her having lots of success with winning big titles.

She will have consistent results, qfs, semis but nothing more. She is a level lower then the other last slam winners.
 

insideguy

Legend
I guess she has that higher percentage game like Halep which means she might be more consistent, but it's too early to say. She's young, she hasn't shown any great signs of consistency, and the amount of people who win one slam and then never do much of anything again over the past decade is a lot longer than the list of ones who have catapulted to sustained greatness.
She actually has shown pretty good signs of consistency for how long she has been around. I mean not sure what people want. Her results are pretty consistent. Nothing jumps off the page but she has shown steady growth the last two years. No really stepping back. But who knows I mean she isn't the first one to have a spurt like this and look really good then disappear for long stretches. She doesn't seem like that type of player. But man this is the WTA. Halep has had the most consistent results for the last few years. But you know who else was super consistent? Wozniaki. Not sure what that meant as far as her standing as a great player.
 
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ibbi

Legend
You don’t watch her do you. You also contradicted yourself. Halep has one weapon consistency. That’s what she is known for. Yet you just said Kenin who has shown remarkable consistently has not shown you enough. Lol!
No, I said she might be more consistent (that refers to what may lie ahead, the future), but she hasn't shown great signs (note, great signs, not any signs) of consistency. Maybe learn to read before LOLing at others.

On the subject of LOLing at others, REMARKABLE consistency, is it? Lol indeed.
 

J B

Semi-Pro
No, I said she might be more consistent (that refers to what may lie ahead, the future), but she hasn't shown great signs (note, great signs, not any signs) of consistency. Maybe learn to read before LOLing at others.

On the subject of LOLing at others, REMARKABLE consistency, is it? Lol indeed.
So what hasn’t she shown? She has been consistently moving up in the rankings, her play is improving, and she can stay in about every rally. What Is funny is that’s what all three WTA champs said on ESPN Today “Do NoT get into a rally with Kenin she is too consistent and hits with too much power“. That’s her weapon. Having watched her play about 90% of her matches last year till present you have no clue what you are talking about. Its ok.
 

ibbi

Legend
No really stepping back.
I thought her US Open result was pretty disappointing after the great runs she had in Canada and Cincy. Granted she lost to a really good player, but still, after that breakout in Roland Garros I held out hopes for more.
 

J B

Semi-Pro
She actually has shown pretty good signs of consistency for how long she has been around. I mean not sure what people want. Her results are pretty consistent. Nothing jumps off the page but she has shown steady growth the last two years. No really stepping back. But who knows I mean she isn't the first one to have a spurt like this and look really good then disappear for long stretches. She doesn't seem like that type of player. But man this is the WTA. Halep has had the most consistent results for the last few years. But you know who else was super consistent? Wozniaki. Not sure what that meant as far as her standing as a great player.
It’s called wanting to post when you know nothing and it is usually a post you can get away with because we all need to improve consistency.... trouble is that’s Kenins weapon. She doesn’t go away and rarely overhits
 

J B

Semi-Pro
I thought her US Open result was pretty disappointing after the great runs she had in Canada and Cincy. Granted she lost to a really good player, but still, after that breakout in Roland Garros I held out hopes for more.
lol! Ok she had a couple bad matches, and was injured at the USOpen but. Ya you can try and save your lack of a clue by saying if she wins 20 in a row you’ll consider that as an improvement worth praise lolololololol
 

ibbi

Legend
lol! Ok she had a couple bad matches, and was injured at the USOpen but. Ya you can try and save your lack of a clue by saying if she wins 20 in a row you’ll consider that as an improvement worth praise lolololololol
Listen, Mrs. Kenin, I'm sorry I commented on your daughter without watching every match she's ever played :oops: :rolleyes:
 

J B

Semi-Pro
Listen, Mrs. Kenin, I'm sorry I commented on your daughter without watching every match she's ever played :oops: :rolleyes:
Oooh the village jester lost an argument that never should have been entered. lololololol. Just so funny when someone tries to bust out the classic tennis issue and doesn’t realize this isn’t the one to use it on. Next time, go with serve. Only not with coco.
 

ibbi

Legend
Oooh the village jester lost an argument that never should have been entered. lololololol. Just so funny when someone tries to bust out the classic tennis issue and doesn’t realize this isn’t the one to use it on. Next time, go with serve. Only not with coco.
What in the blue hell are you so upset about? That I said she hasn't shown great consistency? That was it, that was literally my argument, and you reacted like I had insulted your mother. I said she plays like Halep, baseline rallying, hitting deep, she does, and I said just because she won one slam doesn't mean there is much reason to assume she will be any more consistent than anyone else has been. If you have a reason to doubt this I would love to hear it.
 

insideguy

Legend
I thought her US Open result was pretty disappointing after the great runs she had in Canada and Cincy. Granted she lost to a really good player, but still, after that breakout in Roland Garros I held out hopes for more.
No tennis player well not anymore shows some type of super consistent thing like. Round of 64 in one slam, then round or 32 in the next, then round of 16 in the next then final 8 in the next. Sometimes you will run into a good player or not feel good that day. And Kenin doesn't have the type of game where she can blow someone off the court. But she has a game that has no real holes in it. Thats why she got to where she got.
 

crazyups

Professional
Kenin has something that very few wta players have, psycho mode. Mugu screams like she has psycho mode but she doesn't really have it.
 
Nobody can predict this.

However, comparing late-bloomers or late winners like Li and Wozniacki to 20 year-olds is illogical.

Li won two slams, then had to retire due to injuries. An example.
 

oldmanfan

Legend
First, Kenin did well to win AO20 bc I felt that this could well be her only shot, much like Nishikori at USO14. I backed her to win this one over Mugu bc Mugu already had 2 slams and Kenin may well never make another finals. Also, I like her 'fight' for someone so small (relatively).

Like some of you said above, Kenin is consistent, moves well, and has a bit of variety that put her over the finish line against Mugu. Going forward, I think Kenin will be a stable top20 player, maybe even a consistent top10, but I don't see her as a regular slam contender unless the draws fall apart. She's ranked #7 atm I think, but to me, that's a bit inflated bc her rankings now included a slam win. She did well to win AO20, but we should keep in mind that Mugu helped by imploding in sets 2 and 3, as well as not converting the 3 BPs in a row when Kenin was serving at 2-2 in the third.

Who knows, maybe Kenin will do way better than I think she will. If she does, then more power to her.
 

Andy Miller

New User
She is 20 years old give her a break. She will get stronger and improve a lot. Most of all she is a fighter like Maria. She will win many slams no doubt about it.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Kenin has brilliant groundstrokes, so I can't see that going away.

She is also pure and free from distraction, presumably, allied with formidable on-court mental strength.
 
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