Could Serena Williams Win A Point Against Federer

Could Serena Williams Win A Point Against Federer

  • Yes

    Votes: 31 66.0%
  • No

    Votes: 16 34.0%

  • Total voters
    47
#4
Normally these types of scenarios don't really interest me,but I just find the whole 'most grand slam wins' thing bringing up Roger incredibly insulting to him.
So you typically do what every other serena hater does and bring up a thread that has been talked about dozens of times and have only ended up being closed because it ends up turning into a serena-bashing thread which was the intention of this and previous other ones.

And i don't know how you find that insulting to RF but now to think about it its you i'm talking about....and well we all know from your past history how you behave.
 
#5
Normally these types of scenarios don't really interest me,but I just find the whole 'most grand slam wins' thing bringing up Roger incredibly insulting to him.
Why is it insulting to him? They are of different genders and it's Serena. LOL. A woman who is on a quest to break all tennis records in her sport. This has no bearing on Federer whatsoever because men's tennis and women's tennis are incomparable. And yes she could win a point against him but only if she's serving and having an excellent serving day. She couldn't if she's returning or in a rally with him.
 
V

VexlanderPrime

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#8
A neutral ball rally point? No (but.... shakerer)

A point where Serena is serving and can just hit an ace? Yep, pretty easily. She serves better than Nadal after all and he aced Fed at times so theres your answer.
 
#10
Why is it insulting to him? They are of different genders and it's Serena. LOL. A woman who is on a quest to break all tennis records in her sport. This has no bearing on Federer whatsoever because men's tennis and women's tennis are incomparable. And yes she could win a point against him but only if she's serving and having an excellent serving day. She couldn't if she's returning or in a rally with him.
It's insulting because they don't do this in other sports. When do you ever hear anyone talk about LBJ vs a WNBA player who has won the same number of titles or any other sort of record. I can't think of any sport besides tennis where people would dare to do that
 
#13
It's insulting because they don't do this in other sports. When do you ever hear anyone talk about LBJ vs a WNBA player who has won the same number of titles or any other sort of record. I can't think of any sport besides tennis where people would dare to do that
She has won Slams from 1999-2016. All bets are off in a case like that. The end.
 
#14
Why is it insulting to him? They are of different genders and it's Serena. LOL. A woman who is on a quest to break all tennis records in her sport. This has no bearing on Federer whatsoever because men's tennis and women's tennis are incomparable. And yes she could win a point against him but only if she's serving and having an excellent serving day. She couldn't if she's returning or in a rally with him.
It's absolutely impossible for Serena Williams to break all tennis records. Some of the other all time greats have records that she simply can't even come close to.
But, she has enough records of her own, plus some more to break. But some records she's already missed the boat.
 
#16
It's insulting because they don't do this in other sports. When do you ever hear anyone talk about LBJ vs a WNBA player who has won the same number of titles or any other sort of record. I can't think of any sport besides tennis where people would dare to do that
It's because the differences between men's and women's tennis is full of nuances and details which most people, even those who play tennis, miss. They include spin rates, ability to hit meaningful shots at the end of a player's range, their movement/speed - especially the first few metres, their pound for pound strength, their cardiovascular differences etc.

This leads to a warped perception that the level of men's and women's tennis is closer than it actually is. In reality Serena would not be remotely competitive in men's tennis, most likely not even top 1000 level. BUT, what she does have is tons of experience and big-game time which would give her plenty of advantages against many younger male pros in the 500-1000 range. Even then, once they got past that they would smoke her.

As an example of where people's perceptions go awry, consider Serena alongside David Ferrer. She is considered a pretty tall player, and very muscly. Ferrer is considered a fit midget basically. But he's actually taller than her and is way stronger. In the WTA he would be a beast. Similarly, people have previously used her serve speed in long-winded articles about how she can serve harder than "top ten player" Ferrer. But if he played the top WTA players he would serve them off the court because they never have to face someone who can serve with a much spin and consistency as even Ferrer whose serve is considered a liability in men's tennis. Conversely, put Serena against the top men and she would discover quickly that every player returns better than anyone she has ever faced on the WTA. All day, every day.

But because most people watch tennis so peripherally and remember simple metrics like aces served or first serve speed it's very easy to assume the top females could be competitive against men. In reality, they aren't. Even her previous hitting partner for 8 years, Sascha Bajin who topped his own career at something like 1100 in the world, could easily beat her. You only needed to watch them hit at a tournament to see so much was obvious.

Against Federer the only points she'd get were, as someone above says, from great serves/short returns or from lack of trying by her opponent. 50% of the dead winners she hits during her year would be tracked down and hit back against virtually any top male player aside from Karlovic or Isner.
 
#17
Voted "no" but in reality she'd probably win a point or 2 (a shank or tank)

She wouldn't win any against Nadal or Djokovic if they tried really hard.
 
#24
Mostly to Sharapova, Nadal and Djocovic fans :)
Think Shino would be first in line. But I always chuckle with these,"playing for their or your life threads". Under what circumstance what this happen... alien invasion?:eek:

A much more realistic scenario, with proceeds going to charity, would be "Strip Tennis". Lose a point lose an article of clothing. First player to play 20 points completely nude loses. Serena's handicap is she gets 2 serves to every Fed serve. o_O
 
C

Chadillac

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#26
Using womens balls or mens balls? I dont think serena's light racket wouuld handle a real ball very well, especially with the rpms fed gets
 
#27
6-0, 6-0. She'd win maybe 8 points total on her serve, probably 2 or 3 on Fed's serve.
Federer has gone through entire sets without losing points on serve against top ATP pros, what's the advantage that Serena has over them to earn her 2-3 points on Fed's serve?

Maybe it's only me but I don't think she'd win any, especially against a good serving Federer.
 
#28
Federer has gone through entire sets without losing points on serve against top ATP pros, what's the advantage that Serena has over them to earn her 2-3 points on Fed's serve?

Maybe it's only me but I don't think she'd win any, especially against a good serving Federer.
He could double. He could miss a spot and Serena could crack a return winner. Unlikely, but possible.
 
#29
Federer has gone through entire sets without losing points on serve against top ATP pros, what's the advantage that Serena has over them to earn her 2-3 points on Fed's serve?

Maybe it's only me but I don't think she'd win any, especially against a good serving Federer.

Because Serena is a lot stronger off the baseline than smaller ATP players like Ferrer and Simon. Just kidding. I think 2-3 points is possible on his serve accounting for Fed coasting along and just getting lazy, making a few UE's and possibly Serena getting irritated and going for a kamikaze winner. Serena would certainly be bringing nothing to the table that Fed hasn't seen before and couldn't deal with easily.
 
#34
She would win a few service games. She has one of the best serves in professional tennis. 6-2, 6-1 or 6-2, 6-4 Federer.
She'd have to ace Fed a very high percentage of times to have much chance of holding serve. If a rally starts it's over.
Also his return is way better than a WTA return - if he gets his racquet on it he would be in a very good position. The other issue is that while her serve speed is right up there, there would be less action on the ball than Federer would be used to playing, making it easier for him than, say, a Nadal serve of the same speed.
He's not Sharapova, and it would show very quickly I think. 6-0 6-1 IMO.
 

Aussie Darcy

Talk Tennis Guru
#41
Depends on how many points they play. If they played a 100 points maybe not, but if they played 1000+ points surely she'd win 1 or 2.
You do realize that Federer can serve double faults and that Serena can serve aces. (Even against men).

Here she is serving not one but TWO aces against Novak Djokovic.

Amazing.

But yeah, she wouldn't win a single point out of 100 against Novak. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

Aussie Darcy

Talk Tennis Guru
#42
Federer has gone through entire sets without losing points on serve against top ATP pros, what's the advantage that Serena has over them to earn her 2-3 points on Fed's serve?

Maybe it's only me but I don't think she'd win any, especially against a good serving Federer.
Serena has aced Novak Djokovic before and can serve some killer shots. To say she wouldn't win a point is absurd. Also absurd to think that Federer wouldn't potentially blow a point and hit a double fault or make a careless error as we've seen many times before.
 
#43
Serena has aced Novak Djokovic before and can serve some killer shots. To say she wouldn't win a point is absurd. Also absurd to think that Federer wouldn't potentially blow a point and hit a double fault or make a careless error as we've seen many times before.
This. There is little room for debate on the topic really.
It's plainly obvious that she'd win a point or several, and also pretty obvious that winning a game would be very difficult given the likely necessity of rallies, and the extreme difficulty she'd face in winning service points from Fed (who wouldn't be pressured and so wouldn't DF).

These people who are either saying that she would win absolutely nothing or would easily win rally points are both hilarious.
 

Aussie Darcy

Talk Tennis Guru
#44
This. There is little room for debate on the topic really.
It's plainly obvious that she'd win a point or several, and also pretty obvious that winning a game would be very difficult given the likely necessity of a rally.
These people who are either saying that she would win absolutely nothing or would easily win rally points are both hilarious.
The WTA bashing on this forum is real strong :(
 
#45
The WTA bashing on this forum is real strong :(
I'd call it a simple lack of logic.
Sure, considering that Fed would be less pressured than normal, he would be less likely to make errors, but he still will. He's not a robot.
And Serena could certainly hit some aces - I mean mixed doubles is a thing and it happens over there all the time.

Winning a rally in singles would admittedly require a bad error from Federer - but she doesn't need to win rallies to win points.

People saying she'd win nothing are teenage guys with too much testosterone (likely built up from not having a girlfriend). I wouldn't pay them too much attention. :D
 
#46
She would win a few service games. She has one of the best serves in professional tennis. 6-2, 6-1 or 6-2, 6-4 Federer.
I agree with most here that she would win points on her serve and a few off Federer's errors or from his lack of interest... But to think that she would make it a competitive 6-4 is ridiculous. She would be lucky to pull off a game.
 
#47
Lol people are so ridiculous in this thread. Of course Serena could win points. Venus was working Jack Sock out at the Olympics.

“I thought my forehand was good before today,” said Sock, who played against Williams for the first time. “Some guys usually get intimidated by forehands. She was stepping up and smashing it with the backhand. I might need to go back onto the practice court and work on some things.”
 
#49
I'd call it a simple lack of logic.
Sure, considering that Fed would be less pressured than normal, he would be less likely to make errors, but he still will. He's not a robot.
And Serena could certainly hit some aces - I mean mixed doubles is a thing and it happens over there all the time.

Winning a rally in singles would admittedly require a bad error from Federer - but she doesn't need to win rallies to win points.

People saying she'd win nothing are teenage guys with too much testosterone (likely built up from not having a girlfriend). I wouldn't pay them too much attention. :D
Young, dumb and full of too much confidence. :D
 
#50
I agree with all those that Serena could win at the very least win a point, but not a game. Her movement would be very exposed over the course of a match in a way very few of her female rivals manage.
I think a Serena/Santoro match would be much more entertaining.
 
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