Could Sharapova REALLY need this drug for "Diabetes"?

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
I am pretty skeptical, and I'll tell you why:

I was a little worried about my own health this year after a high glucose reading at the doc and have read obsessively about diabetes since.

A few observations:
IF she has "diabetes" it would be Type 2. The number one risk factor for Type 2 Diabetes is being overweight and inactive. Yes, family history plays a role, and sometimes people who are not especially obese or inactive get the disease (Arthur Ashe and Tom Hanks come to mind), but the disease is largely the result of excess fat and inactivity. Type 1 diabetics are usually diagnosed much earlier than 18 and require regular insulin shots. Type 2 diabetes is an epidemic in the developed world because of our horrible Western diet with excess amounts of saturated fat and refined carbohydrates like high fructose corn syrup and inadequate amounts of fiber and antioxidants.

In MANY instances, Type 2 diabetes can be managed through diet (a Vegan diet has proved best) and lifestyle (basically lots of exercise). There would be no reason to begin taking an obscure Russian drug at the early age of 18 when almost any responsible doctor would urge a patient to lose weight and exercise.

Conclusion: The diabetes "diagnosis" is, in fact, a ruse to trick us into thinking that Sharapova somehow requires this drug for her health. Now the "evil" USADA will deny her access to this "essential" substance to help keep her glucose readings down.
 
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Lozo1016

Hall of Fame
Sugarpova doesn't have diabetes, only a family history.

I think OP is just saying it's odd that her family history would be enough to make her want to take this drug since the majority of type II diabetes cases are about obesity and inactivity rather than family history.
 

counterloop

Professional
What other excuse could she have possibly come up with as to why she felt the need to use this drug? If she said, yes, I took this drug to enhance my physical abilities and help me on the tennis court, she would never be able to recover her image and her legacy. She was and still is in a very tight position, but, she really only has herself to blame.
 

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
What other excuse could she have possibly come up with as to why she felt the need to use this drug? If she said, yes, I took this drug to enhance my physical abilities and help me on the tennis court, she would never be able to recover her image and her legacy. She was and still is in a very tight position, but, she really only has herself to blame.
Exactly. It is, in a way, the best available excuse, likely thought up by some of her PR people who were cognizant of how much $$ was at stake.

Who knows if her "family history" of diabetes is legit. Her parents look pretty lean and fit too. I think she just pulled the "diabetes" card out of her hat as the easiest option to explain the drug. Remember Lance Armstrong's positive test in 1999 and the supposed "saddle sore" he had that required a cortisone cream?
 
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Deleted member 688153

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Can we stop the Pova threads?
I've decided I don't care.

The WTA will remain a shambles with or without her - at least we'll have less screaming now.
 

BrooklynNY

Hall of Fame
The first thing you do when you have diabetes, of any sort, is start a business pushing candy and other sugars. Guess she figured, if she's going down, might as well infect everyone, right?

/sarcasm.

She is a top athlete, she is healthy and not suffering anything you haven't heard of yet.

she got caught cheating, thats all.
 
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Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
A WTA related subject is by far the most discussed one at the moment. Never thought that would happen.
Well it is a WTA subject with spillover effect onto tennis and other sports.

I personally HOPE this will be an isolated event but I fear that with improved testing measures, we may see more big names crop up in our beloved sport.
 

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
The first thing you do when you have diabetes, of any sort, is start a business pushing candy and other sugars. Figured, if she's going down, might as well infect everyone, right?

/sarcasm. She is a top athlete, she is healthy and not suffering anything you haven't heard of yet.

she got caught cheating, thats all.
Lol: Well, there have been other top athletes with Type 2 diabetes. Patrick Petersen of the Arizona Cardinals has it, as did Arthur Ashe in tennis. BUT, it is odd that she would never have made this public and even odder that she would resort to a weird Russian drug when better therapies exist.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
I am pretty skeptical, and I'll tell you why:

I was a little worried about my own health this year after a high glucose reading at the doc and have read obsessively about diabetes since.

A few observations:
IF she has "diabetes" it would be Type 2. The number one risk factor for Type 2 Diabetes is being overweight and inactive. Yes, family history plays a role, and sometimes people who are not especially obese or inactive get the disease (Arthur Ashe and Tom Hanks come to mind), but the disease is largely the result of excess fat and inactivity. Type 1 diabetics are usually diagnosed much earlier than 18 and require regular insulin shots. Type 2 diabetes is an epidemic in the developed world because of our horrible Western diet with excess amounts of saturated fat and refined carbohydrates like high fructose corn syrup and inadequate amounts of fiber and antioxidants.

In MANY instances, Type 2 diabetes can be managed through diet (a Vegan diet has proved best) and lifestyle (basically lots of exercise). There would be no reason to begin taking an obscure Russian drug at the early age of 18 when almost any responsible doctor would urge a patient to lose weight and exercise.

Conclusion: The diabetes "diagnosis" is, in fact, a ruse to trick us into thinking that Sharapova somehow requires this drug for her health. Now the "evil" USADA will deny her access to this "essential" substance to help keep her glucose readings down.

Curious that many of are focusing on the mention of "a family history of diabetes". Supposedly the Meldonium (Mildronate) was actually prescribed for myocardial ischemia -- the irregular EKG she spoke of. She also mentioned frequent bouts of the flu. And yet your focus appears to be on diabetes -- a possible health issue that she mentioned after the other two.

http://time.com/4250055/maria-sharapova-meldonium-drug-2/
 

Soianka

Hall of Fame
Curious that many of are focusing on the mention of "a family history of diabetes". Supposedly the Meldonium (Mildronate) was actually prescribed for myocardial ischemia -- the irregular EKG she spoke of. She also mentioned frequent bouts of the flu. And yet your focus appears to be on diabetes -- a possible health issue that she mentioned after the other two.

http://time.com/4250055/maria-sharapova-meldonium-drug-2/

she for sure doesn't have "myocardial ischemia"...because she wouldn't be able to compete in a demanding sport if she did
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
It can be combined with other medicine to treat diabetes, as well as irregular EKG results and immune/magnesium deficiencies, so yes, she really could be.
Is she? I dunno.
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
I think she just pulled the "diabetes" card out of her hat as the easiest option to explain the drug.

This could be true. The thing is, if she can provide evidence of a family history of diabetes, that will be huge in getting her ban reduced.
If she can't provide evidence, then she's going to look like a huge liar to the public and will probably get a longer ban.
I'm not saying I fully believe her, but most of what she said she be easily proved with medical records. Not sure why she'd put herself in that corner.

am i the only one who actually doesnt care either way?
nope!!
 

Alien

Hall of Fame
Who cares? It wasn't forbidden until January. So she doped for 21 days by mistake. Big deal. Suspended several months and that's it.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
she for sure doesn't have "myocardial ischemia"...because she wouldn't be able to compete in a demanding sport if she did

Not necessarily so, from what I understand. A mild or moderate cardiac ischemia is not the same thing as a serious or acute myocardial infarction. In fact, the former can be relatively asymptomatic in some cases.
 

Soianka

Hall of Fame
Not necessarily so, from what I understand. A mild or moderate cardiac ischemia is not the same thing as a serious or acute myocardial infarction. In fact, the former can be relatively asymptomatic in some cases.

What you understand is incorrect. Cardiac ischemia means the heart is not fully perfused...i.e., is not receiving an adequate circulation of blood to its cells which are therefore not receiving adequate amounts of oxygen. So this is serious enough is regular people but when you are an athlete who competes at a high level, your heart must work even more efficiently, its demand for oxygen is much greater. How would she manage to compete with such a condition? And she didn't even suggest that she had this problem...she vaguely said "EKG abnormalities"...which could be almost anything including many benign abnormalities that show up from time to time.

Myocardial ischemia is a serious condition usually seen in people with some form of atherosclerosis. Yes, these days we do see atherosclerosis in younger obese people because of the Western diet, but I doubt that a top athlete would have such a condition.

The drug can also be used for people with heart failure. 1.) I seriously doubt that Sharapova or any other top athlete has a form of heart failure and is able to compete at the top of her sport and 2.) We only hear hints of the condition when she is caught using a performance enhancing drug.

Ask yourself a few other questions as well.

Why is Maria Sharapova's "family physician" prescribing her a drug that is non-FDA approved and is not used in the US? We have plenty of medications for heart conditions that work well and are FDA approved. Maria Sharapova lives and trains in the US. It makes no sense that she would be taking such a drug for therapeutic purposes when there are many FDA approved alternatives available in the country she has lived in for near 2 decades.
 

xan

Hall of Fame
You seem to care enough to post in this thread that you don't care.
care enough to post? what? im already here, and im already reading thread, takes tremendous amount of effort to write a single sentence.

not to mention i asked if im the only one not to care if she is actually guilty or not. which is a question, i dont see how can you misinterpret that.
 

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
I am pretty skeptical, and I'll tell you why:

I was a little worried about my own health this year after a high glucose reading at the doc and have read obsessively about diabetes since.

A few observations:
IF she has "diabetes" it would be Type 2. The number one risk factor for Type 2 Diabetes is being overweight and inactive. Yes, family history plays a role, and sometimes people who are not especially obese or inactive get the disease (Arthur Ashe and Tom Hanks come to mind), but the disease is largely the result of excess fat and inactivity. Type 1 diabetics are usually diagnosed much earlier than 18 and require regular insulin shots. Type 2 diabetes is an epidemic in the developed world because of our horrible Western diet with excess amounts of saturated fat and refined carbohydrates like high fructose corn syrup and inadequate amounts of fiber and antioxidants.

In MANY instances, Type 2 diabetes can be managed through diet (a Vegan diet has proved best) and lifestyle (basically lots of exercise). There would be no reason to begin taking an obscure Russian drug at the early age of 18 when almost any responsible doctor would urge a patient to lose weight and exercise.

Conclusion: The diabetes "diagnosis" is, in fact, a ruse to trick us into thinking that Sharapova somehow requires this drug for her health. Now the "evil" USADA will deny her access to this "essential" substance to help keep her glucose readings down.
This diabetes excuse is terrible. Specially in light of Sugarpova and this very interesting find from WonderFan over at TF:

This is from "Doodles" of August 22 2006

http://www.djbakker.nl/maria/doodle_22082006.htm

"Can anyone please tell me how people in production business stay fit? I probably have a bigger intake of sugar on shoots than any other time of the year. No matter how good you want to be, how can you say "no" to those brown wrapped Snicker bars and little chubby Orangina bottles? I don't think it helps that we ask for the catering people to bring us cupcakes. Mmmmm!!! Last year during the Us Open, my friend and I were on a cupcake hunt. We tried cupcakes at four different places (no, not in the same day) and decided that Crumbs had the best. The cupcake delivery during the shoot came from Magnolia Bakery, our second favorite."


If your doctor is worried with your signs of diabetes, you certainly probably won't have those feeding habits.

Busted again!
 

SoBad

G.O.A.T.
The whole ("Swiss") German ATP has been playing all doped up for years, but now out of the blue they pick on a Siberian girl.
 

thomasferrett

Hall of Fame
No doc on the face of the earth in their right mind would prescribe this as diabetes prophylaxis. You manage that with diet + exercise, not with this drug.

She took it to try to get a performance enhancing edge over her competitors, that's the bare truth.

Also, lol at 'EKG abnormalities'. Each individual has a slightly different EKG. An experienced cardiologist can even recognize his patients from these like a signature. So, 'EKG abnormalities', essentially, means nothing. It is a way to say that she had no reason at all to take the drug.
 
Her statements are totally pathetic-you treat being a pre-diabetic by changing your diet. You deal with Magnesium deficiency by eating things with high levels of Magnesium in them, in a worst case scenario you get it dealt with via intravenous injections. You deal with potential heart issues by diet/lifestyle changes & proper medications. I felt yesterday without hearing these bs excuses that it was a simple oversight, now hearing all this & knowing all the players were warned five times in December I hope they throw the book at her & ban her for four years & that the FDA investigate her for importing illegal drugs into the USA.

Let's be serious she is never going to get type 2 diabetes & even if type 1 is in her family she is not guaranteed to get it & why would she be selling a range of sugar confectionery if she was that concerned about it & general health? Magnesium deficiency is easily dealt with. Heart conditions are easily monitored-especially for somebody with her wealth & fame & there are proper heart medications out there. So she might get these things in the future & that is her excuse? Well any of us might but we don't take unsuitable PED'S for a decade. The amazing thing is she is either that arrogant to think she could carry on taking it with no questions asked, or that her endless parade of assistants, medical experts, nutritionists etc didn't bother to tell her this was being banned.
 
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nowhereman

Guest
Sharapova has lieabetes, not diabetes. She should have taken insuliein to treat it, not meldonium.
 
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Chadillac

Guest
There are like a 100 othe ped's that would be beneficial. Why would she choose this one and disclose it for the past 10 years? If it were a masking agent then maybe but it makes no sense and its very common over there
 
There are like a 100 othe ped's that would be beneficial. Why would she choose this one and disclose it for the past 10 years? If it were a masking agent then maybe but it makes no sense and its very common over there

I think Russia like many places have some rather strange beliefs/folk tales about witch potions masquerading as medicine.
 

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
There are like a 100 othe ped's that would be beneficial. Why would she choose this one and disclose it for the past 10 years? If it were a masking agent then maybe but it makes no sense and its very common over there
She "disclosed" this after she got caught :rolleyes:
 
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Chadillac

Guest
Only if you consider diluting your pee a masking agent, aka drinking lots of water.
 
Only if you consider diluting your pee a masking agent, aka drinking lots of water.

She is the queen of water.

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