Counter - Shock (eliminating vibration to arm?)

esgee48

Legend
If it does not allow you to change tension on the fly, then it is legal. Installed on frame is legal. Some people use lead tape, others use foam or whatnot inside the handle. PK uses beads. Volkl has a shock dampener inside handle. All legal.
 

frugal

Rookie
If it does not allow you to change tension on the fly, then it is legal. Installed on frame is legal. Some people use lead tape, others use foam or whatnot inside the handle. PK uses beads. Volkl has a shock dampener inside handle. All legal.
hi

can you detail a bit more, I couldn't understand.

Thank you
 

skydog

Semi-Pro
They help reduce frame vibration. Reduce, not eliminate. I use them on all of my racquets and they appear to do what they say, reduce vibration. I like a muted feel/sound from my racquets so anything that helps achieve that I will use.

When installing, it's best to place them at the balance point of the racquet which should be possible with most frames/balance points.
 

frugal

Rookie
They help reduce frame vibration. Reduce, not eliminate. I use them on all of my racquets and they appear to do what they say, reduce vibration. I like a muted feel/sound from my racquets so anything that helps achieve that I will use.

When installing, it's best to place them at the balance point of the racquet which should be possible with most frames/balance points.
Hello!

But you use the one from the Photo?

Do you know other brands or types?

I only use on strings...

Thank you
 

skydog

Semi-Pro
Hello!

But you use the one from the Photo?

Do you know other brands or types?

I only use on strings...

Thank you
The ones in the photo go on the frame. Kimony is the only company I am aware of that sell them. I use them on all of my frames.

I also use one of Kimony's Quakebuster vibration dampeners in the strings.
 

frugal

Rookie
The ones in the photo go on the frame. Kimony is the only company I am aware of that sell them. I use them on all of my frames.

I also use one of Kimony's Quakebuster vibration dampeners in the strings.
hi

is quakebuster good and light weigth?

Have you tried an elastic band?

Regards
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Babolat RVS is the only other dampener that is designed to make contact with the frame, and it's a great dampener while it lasts.

I have not used the Kimony, so I can't comment on that.
 

frugal

Rookie
Babolat RVS is the only other dampener that is designed to make contact with the frame, and it's a great dampener while it lasts.

I have not used the Kimony, so I can't comment on that.
Hi,

what is metallic part for?

Do you see difference to the standard ones? Less frame vibration?


Thank you!



 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Hi,

what is metallic part for?

Do you see difference to the standard ones? Less frame vibration?


Thank you!



I do not know what the metal actually does. Maybe it works like a pin and counter-vibrates--I have no idea.

But it does the job of reducing vibration probably better than anything out there (Obviously I have not used the Kimony).

The only annoying thing is that it gets loose after a few weeks and would not stay pressed against the frame even though it won't fall off the string. It only works as it should when it keeps contact with the frame.

So I use the second best option -- Gamma Shockbuster.
 

frugal

Rookie
I do not know what the metal actually does. Maybe it works like a pin and counter-vibrates--I have no idea.

But it does the job of reducing vibration probably better than anything out there (Obviously I have not used the Kimony).

The only annoying thing is that it gets loose after a few weeks and would not stay pressed against the frame even though it won't fall off the string. It only works as it should when it keeps contact with the frame.

So I use the second best option -- Gamma Shockbuster.
Why is it second option ?
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Why is it second option ?
Shockbuster is a great dampener, just not as good as RVS.

However, Shockbuster lasts and lasts, as long as you don't overstretch it (in which case you will see the hook pop out and gel ooze out of the tube). RVS is only good for a few weeks.
 

frugal

Rookie
Shockbuster is a great dampener, just not as good as RVS.

However, Shockbuster lasts and lasts, as long as you don't overstretch it (in which case you will see the hook pop out and gel ooze out of the tube). RVS is only good for a few weeks.
hi

what if we fix it with glue ?
 

esgee48

Legend
Frame vibrations result from ball impact. Your hand and arm will feel the initial flex/bend and any subsequent vibrations until the vibrations are absorbed by your hand or the materials of the frame/strings. What all anti-vibration devices do is start to attenuate the followup frame vibrations because they absorb them or vibrate at a significantly lower frequency thereby destructively removing the (hand felt) vibrations. That's why I mentioned lead. It changes the flex properties where it adheres. The RVS has a vibrating pin, but also a piece of rubber so it does both. Check out the dampener that comes with the Head LM 4. Prince has a double bridge with elastomers. Same principles. Long dampeners do it with the string bed though not as well as with frame vibrations. Foam in the handle just absorbs the vibrations. The Volkl Suspension handle absorbs and vibrates. The PK uses beads (Kinetic System) to destroy vibrations. None really remove the initial ball impact, but they all do a very good job of removing the followup stuff. End of short discourse. :D
 

mye0330

Rookie
hi

what if we fix it with glue ?
a small rubberband does a great job of keeping rvs in place. just wrap one side of the rubberband around the metal pin. then wrap the other side through and around the throat and then around the pin on the other side.

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skydog

Semi-Pro
hi

is quakebuster good and light weigth?

Have you tried an elastic band?

Regards
Never used an elastic band.

Quakebuster lighter than the worm dampeners I was using in the past and most othe solid dampeners. Probably is a little heavier than the grommet style/Sampras style dampeners.
 

frugal

Rookie
Frame vibrations result from ball impact. Your hand and arm will feel the initial flex/bend and any subsequent vibrations until the vibrations are absorbed by your hand or the materials of the frame/strings. What all anti-vibration devices do is start to attenuate the followup frame vibrations because they absorb them or vibrate at a significantly lower frequency thereby destructively removing the (hand felt) vibrations. That's why I mentioned lead. It changes the flex properties where it adheres. The RVS has a vibrating pin, but also a piece of rubber so it does both. Check out the dampener that comes with the Head LM 4. Prince has a double bridge with elastomers. Same principles. Long dampeners do it with the string bed though not as well as with frame vibrations. Foam in the handle just absorbs the vibrations. The Volkl Suspension handle absorbs and vibrates. The PK uses beads (Kinetic System) to destroy vibrations. None really remove the initial ball impact, but they all do a very good job of removing the followup stuff. End of short discourse. :D
Hi

Do you have links to check and buy?


a small rubberband does a great job of keeping rvs in place. just wrap one side of the rubberband around the metal pin. then wrap the other side through and around the throat and then around the pin on the other side.

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Hi

Please please post a photo.

Tks

Never used an elastic band.

Quakebuster lighter than the worm dampeners I was using in the past and most othe solid dampeners. Probably is a little heavier than the grommet style/Sampras style dampeners.
Hi.

Gamma big dampeners must absorb better...

Small dampeners cannot be excelent.

Problem is my weight. No?
 

mye0330

Rookie
Hi

Do you have links to check and buy?




Hi

Please please post a photo.

Tks



Hi.

Gamma big dampeners must absorb better...

Small dampeners cannot be excelent.

Problem is my weight. No?
this was a longer rubberband so I had it double it up but if you have a shorter one you can see how that would work better.


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frugal

Rookie
this was a longer rubberband so I had it double it up but if you have a shorter one you can see how that would work better.


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hi

this is interesting!

Although not very nice in design...

This changes the strings vibration and frame to the minimum?

Why PROs don't use it?

Regards
 

Mirdad

Rookie
They help reduce frame vibration. Reduce, not eliminate. I use them on all of my racquets and they appear to do what they say, reduce vibration. I like a muted feel/sound from my racquets so anything that helps achieve that I will use.

When installing, it's best to place them at the balance point of the racquet which should be possible with most frames/balance points.
Do you know how much a set of Kimony counter shock devices weighs? I've emailed Kimony but they have not replied as of yet. Also, was wondering if you still use a dampener?
My goal is to reduce the shock and vibration from a RF Autograph. So far I've swapped out the stock leather grip and installed a synthetic Head Hydrosorb Comfort grip which has been a very pleasant experience on my arm. I also have a synthetic Gamma shock buster dampener on the strings which weighs three grams. The Head comfort grip is only a few grams less than the leather grip that I replaced. However, it made the head one point heavier which is not a show stopper as the static weight is a few grams less. Ideally, I don't want to add too much weight to the head as I don't want to make it too head heavy which would cause me to add counter weight to the handle as the racquet is already 12.6 ounces. I was tinkering with the idea of removing the shock buster dampener which will eliminate three grams and just using the Kimony counter shock devices. I'm going to experiment and use three Kimony power pads to also reduce string vibration which should also nullify the use of the Gamma dampener (I have no idea how much the power pads weigh but since I'm just using three I will figure 2 grams). Lastly, I will be adding a Kimony over grip which are supposed to be the thinnest made in the industry. I can't imagine the Kimony over grip weighing more than one or two grams. That's the long version of why I need to know what the Kimony counter shock weighs:)
Thanks......
 

skydog

Semi-Pro
Do you know how much a set of Kimony counter shock devices weighs? I've emailed Kimony but they have not replied as of yet. Also, was wondering if you still use a dampener?
My goal is to reduce the shock and vibration from a RF Autograph. So far I've swapped out the stock leather grip and installed a synthetic Head Hydrosorb Comfort grip which has been a very pleasant experience on my arm. I also have a synthetic Gamma shock buster dampener on the strings which weighs three grams. The Head comfort grip is only a few grams less than the leather grip that I replaced. However, it made the head one point heavier which is not a show stopper as the static weight is a few grams less. Ideally, I don't want to add too much weight to the head as I don't want to make it too head heavy which would cause me to add counter weight to the handle as the racquet is already 12.6 ounces. I was tinkering with the idea of removing the shock buster dampener which will eliminate three grams and just using the Kimony counter shock devices. I'm going to experiment and use three Kimony power pads to also reduce string vibration which should also nullify the use of the Gamma dampener (I have no idea how much the power pads weigh but since I'm just using three I will figure 2 grams). Lastly, I will be adding a Kimony over grip which are supposed to be the thinnest made in the industry. I can't imagine the Kimony over grip weighing more than one or two grams. That's the long version of why I need to know what the Kimony counter shock weighs:)
Thanks......
I have not weighed them separately so I can not provide that number for you. You place counter shocks at the balance point so it does not throw off the balance of your racquet.

I still use a vibration dampener, but I am not as concearned with overall weight as I my racquets are at 380 grams.
 

Mirdad

Rookie
I have not weighed them separately so I can not provide that number for you. You place counter shocks at the balance point so it does not throw off the balance of your racquet.

I still use a vibration dampener, but I am not as concearned with overall weight as I my racquets are at 380 grams.
380 grams?!! You da man!
 

skydog

Semi-Pro
380 grams?!! You da man!
Not really, just prefer heavier racquets. Played with the PK Ki5 PSE for a while and eventually modified future racquets to those specs. Through additions of head tape, leather grips, string experiments, and other tweaking ended up at 380 grams and loved the feel and have since modified future racquets to 380 g / 10 pts HL. It just feels right to me.
 

Mirdad

Rookie
Not really, just prefer heavier racquets. Played with the PK Ki5 PSE for a while and eventually modified future racquets to those specs. Through additions of head tape, leather grips, string experiments, and other tweaking ended up at 380 grams and loved the feel and have since modified future racquets to 380 g / 10 pts HL. It just feels right to me.
I love heavy racquets having started my tennis back in the wood racquet days. I also hit with Max Dunlop 200G....the racquet that Johnny Mac used. Then I migrated to the Wilson Pro Staff lineage for many years. The last few years I've been hitting with the RF Autograph but my ego has finally realized I can't swing a heavy racquet like I used to due to an arthritic shoulder. Recently, I've been hitting with the Wilson Clash Tour and added a small amount of lead bringing the total weight to just under 12 ounces. Strung at very low tensions (#40 on my electronic stringer) I've had no problems with control and my shoulder likes it very much. Yes, it's a big adjustment but I've found the key to happiness in life is how well we adjust to what life throws at us versus try to change things we have no control over.......
 
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