Crazy Stat: Federer won his first 7 Slam finals

Do or do not. There is no try.

I never tried. I simply did. I told the truth.

RF didn´t get worse or have mono in 2008. The others got better.

Or would you argue that Rafa DIDN'T get better in 2008? Djokovic didn't improve?
Rafa and Novak Djokovic both improved in 2008, yes. But Federer was also a bit worse than in prior years.

These things are independent of each other.
 

Third Serve

Hall of Fame
Do or do not. There is no try.

I never tried. I simply did. I told the truth.

RF didn´t get worse or have mono in 2008. The others got better.

Or would you argue that Rafa DIDN'T get better in 2008? Djokovic didn't improve?
That's false. He contracted mono in December 2007 and he didn't quite recover until around March or April of 2008. It's been well-documented by his team and it can be backed up by multiple sources.


The main point of contention is just how much the mono affected him. I think he was over it by April (at the very most) but you can't deny that he did have mono. If you're "telling the truth", as you claim, you might want to consider rephrasing that statement. It's not even debatable at this point as to whether he had the disease.
 

King No1e

Legend
except for Safin nobody could stand toe to toe with him. All the finalists he beat were transition era champs (like hewitt) or his favorite lapdogs (Roddick). So yeah going on 7-0 run is understandable. You need an opponent who will show some resistance don't you?
Hewitt and Safin ate Sampras for breakfast at USO, and both made #1 before Federer - Hewitt even stayed there for a whole year (something which even Nadal has never done). Obviously they're not Nadal or Djokovic (or prime Agassi, whom Sampras had to face) but they were all very good players and would've won plenty more Slams if not for the unfathomable level of dominance Federer imposed.
 

SaintPetros

Hall of Fame
Do or do not. There is no try.

I never tried. I simply did. I told the truth.

RF didn´t get worse or have mono in 2008. The others got better.

Or would you argue that Rafa DIDN'T get better in 2008? Djokovic didn't improve?
These are unrelated coincidences that have nothing to do with the declines of Federer, Roddick, Hewitt, Agassi, and friends.
 

SaintPetros

Hall of Fame
Hewitt and Safin ate Sampras for breakfast at USO, and both made #1 before Federer - Hewitt even stayed there for a whole year (something which even Nadal has never done). Obviously they're not Nadal or Djokovic (or prime Agassi, whom Sampras had to face) but they were all very good players and would've won plenty more Slams if not for the unfathomable level of dominance Federer imposed.
Sampras also ate them for breakfast at USO, so let's call a spade a spade.
 

tudwell

Legend
Do or do not. There is no try.

I never tried. I simply did. I told the truth.

RF didn´t get worse or have mono in 2008. The others got better.

Or would you argue that Rafa DIDN'T get better in 2008? Djokovic didn't improve?
Indeed. That’s why such great players as Fish, Stepanek, Karlovic, Simon, and Blake progressed so far as to get their only ever wins over Federer in that most pristine year of his. The strong era was born.
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
Sets dropped during the tournament:

Philippoussis 7
Safin 9
Roddick 1
Hewitt 0
Roddick 5
Agassi 7
Baghdatis 7

They were really wiping out the field, uh? :-D
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
Sets dropped during the tournament:

Philippoussis 7
Safin 9
Roddick 1
Hewitt 0
Roddick 5
Agassi 7
Baghdatis 7

They were really wiping out the field, uh? :-D
Nadal's first 7 slam final opponents:

Puerta 5
Federer 2
Federer 0
Federer 1
Federer 1
Federer 3
Federer 0

Djokovic's first 7 slam final opponents:

Federer 2
Tsonga 2
Nadal 0
Murray 2
Nadal 3
Nadal 1
Nadal 2

Total sets lost by their first 7 slam final opponents:

Nadal 12
Djokovic 12
Federer 36
 
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OhYes

Legend
I’m just pointing out the facts. Feel free to refute them if you’d like. I think you’ll find I’m correct.
All of slams he has won came against ailing opponent in final. Not saying he wouldn't take 1 or 2 in other case, just stating facts.
What would he do in 2003-2007 is speculation and nothing else.
 

titoelcolombiano

Hall of Fame
All 4 of the Djoker matches came after Fed was 30; it's not really fair to use those Slam finals (except W2019, both were over 30) as proof that Djokovic > Federer. Fed used to dominate Djokovic when Djoker was young and Fed was in his prime.
Now there are the Fedtards who say those finals don't even count, which is BS. But it's still true that Federer shouldn't be judged solely by his performance post-30 against Djokovic.
I can certainly see your point but Federer proved at Wimbledon recently that he is more than good enough to win a slam even now. I've also got a slightly different take on Djokovic. He is a late bloomer. Rafa also dominated their rivalry early on, but hasn't done so consistently since 2010.
 

Nadal_Django

Hall of Fame
Nadal's first 7 slam final opponents:

Puerta 5
Federer 2
Federer 0
Federer 1
Federer 1
Federer 3
Federer 0

Djokovic's first 7 slam final opponents:

Federer 2
Tsonga 2
Nadal 0
Murray 2
Nadal 3
Nadal 1
Nadal 2

Total sets lost by their first 7 slam final opponents:

Nadal 12
Djokovic 12
Federer 36
Mind-blowing data. :eek: Just mind-blowing. Federer's competition during his so called peak years, was beyond pathetic.:oops:
 

ABCD

Hall of Fame
I think than any objective person would conclude that Federer had weaker opponents in his first 7 GS finals than Djokovic and Nadal had.
 

ibbi

Hall of Fame
All whining aside, it's a hell of a record. To find anybody even remotely close you have to go back to the likes of Fred Perry who won his first 4, Jack Crawford who won his first 5, and Tony Trabert, who also won his first (and only) 5 (6 if you include the Pro Slams). Santana won his first 4 in the 60s, and as you point out nobody in the Open Era has made it past 3.
 

Linelicker

New User
I think than any objective person would conclude that Federer had weaker opponents in his first 7 GS finals than Djokovic and Nadal had.
Nadal met Puerta, then clay monster Federer 3 times a RG, 1 at W and AO, then Berdych and then Soderling.
Beating Federer in Wimbledon and Australia is obviously a very good result. The other 5 are not spectacular in any way.

Djokovic met Tsonga, Murray two times in Australia where he has never won (not that impressive) then Nadal outside RG + aging Federer in Wimbledon (good wins).

If any Big3 had a tougher first 7, it was Novak, I'd say.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
I can certainly see your point but Federer proved at Wimbledon recently that he is more than good enough to win a slam even now. I've also got a slightly different take on Djokovic. He is a late bloomer. Rafa also dominated their rivalry early on, but hasn't done so consistently since 2010.
I would rather say Rafa is a very early bloomer, pretty much like older ATGs, which explains the pressure on his body so far and the decline in dominance over the other two, despite age. He has more mileage on his body at top level.
 

ABCD

Hall of Fame
Nadal met Puerta, then clay monster Federer 3 times a RG, 1 at W and AO, then Berdych and then Soderling.
Beating Federer in Wimbledon and Australia is obviously a very good result. The other 5 are not spectacular in any way.

Djokovic met Tsonga, Murray two times in Australia where he has never won (not that impressive) then Nadal outside RG + aging Federer in Wimbledon (good wins).

If any Big3 had a tougher first 7, it was Novak, I'd say.
Do you argue that Philippoussis, Safin, Roddick, Hewitt, Roddick, Agassi and Baghdatis is at least equally difficult as Puarta, Federer, Federer, Federer, Federer, Federer and Federer?
 

Linelicker

New User
Do you argue that Philippoussis, Safin, Roddick, Hewitt, Roddick, Agassi and Baghdatis is at least equally difficult as Puarta, Federer, Federer, Federer, Federer, Federer and Federer?
I was talking about slam wins, I thought that was clear.

Federer should have cleaned the 'weak era', but couldn't. He reached his first clay final in 2006, and lost to Rafa. He made many finals because the clay field got worse.
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
Nadal also had a period where he won 7 consecutive slam finals, from 08 RG to 11 RG.
With impressive opponents:

Federer, Federer, Federer, Soderling, Berdych, Djokovic, Federer

Djokovic won 8 of the last 9 facing:

Federer, Federer, Murray, Murray, Wawrinka, Anderson, Del Potro, Nadal, Federer
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
I guess I'm confused.
This was my initial comment to you:
"Kinda think he played better when he beat Federer, Nadal, and Del Po in semis and finals at the Open than Roddick in '08."

I don't see ( and didn't intend) anything confrontational whatsoever about it. I just honestly think 2011 and 2015 are clearly better showings by Novak at the Open than '08 against Roddick.

Since this post you...
1. Insulted my intelligence
2. Accused me of creating a strawman
3. Called me an ass.

And I was the ass here?

Lastly, I wasn't drawing a deeper meaning out of what you said. You said "near his best". Obviously to make such a claim you would have to be taking his runs at 2011 and 2015 into consideration. That's why I found that claim so strange and commented on it.

Anyways, great talking "bud".
Your first post seemed sarcastic, and tbh I don't believe it was meant to be unconfrontational.

If it was then you can hardly blaming me considering the content of your posts...
 

Xavier G

Professional
Reading fail? he face Wawrinka in a final, and that was the one he lost.
Wawrinka is 2-0 up on Djokovic in GS finals. Djokovic never beat Wawrinka in a GS final. So Djokovic lost, exactly.

As this was a thread about Fed winning his first 7 Slam finals and players winning Slam finals, not losing them, ROFL, thank you. /
 

JaoSousa

Rookie
It just shows that Nadal got better in 2008 that he finally won something outside of RG. It doesn't mean Federer's opponents were weak. Hewitt was 4-3 against Nadal in 2003-2007 and Rafa's only wins were on clay. Federer had to go through difficult players, and if you really want to argue that, Anderson, Delpo in 2018, and even Med are nothing compared to Hewitt and Safin.
 
Frack man, no idea how he lost that one. Johansson was a dangerous player but Roddick was actually in top form and just unclutched himself out of the Open.
7/45 slam losses with DR>1 (retirement excluded)... even fedr has only 13/58 (besides 4 of them being GS finals though, my sides).
 

SaintPetros

Hall of Fame
Indeed. That’s why such great players as Fish, Stepanek, Karlovic, Simon, and Blake progressed so far as to get their only ever wins over Federer in that most pristine year of his. The strong era was born.
You mean the players that comprised Fed's mighty era of competition during his peak?
 
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