Crazy Stat: Murray won his first 2 Olympic finals

[TimHenmanATG]

He was 2-0 in Olympic Gold Medal matches.

2-0.

For perspective, the longest unbeaten streak before Murray was 1-0, by Mecir, Rosset, Agassi, Kafelnikov, Massu, and Nadal. No one has come close.

Murray has 2 Olympic Gold medals. He is already an ATG.

Scary.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Even crazier: he got extremely lucky with the draws, essentially having RF and Delpo do all the dirty work for him then face him in the finales depleted from having to beat ATGs...

And then they expect us to take OG seriously!

 

[Lleytonstation]

This is some extremely butthurt revisionism.

Why can't you just acknowledge that Andy has twice transcended the sport of tennis on a global stage?

Rest assured, far more people around the world know about an Olympic champion like Murray, rather than the others which this forum seems to beatify.

While I do think Murray accomplished a great thing by winning OG twice, it did not make him more famous worldwide or in the tennis community. Great accomplishment, but he would trade 16 Rio for any slam.

 

[TimHenmanATG]

While I do think Murray accomplished a great thing by winning OG twice, it did not make him more famous worldwide or in the tennis community. Great accomplishment, but he would trade 16 Rio for any slam.

I'm not saying that Murray is necessarily more famous than Federer, Nadal, or Djokovic.

What I'm saying is that the international exposure of tennis at the Olympics is way bigger than the Grand Slams.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

I'm not saying that Murray is necessarily more famous than Federer, Nadal, or Djokovic.

What I'm saying is that the international exposure of tennis at the Olympics is way bigger than the Grand Slams.

You really believe that?

The Olympics have so many sports, that if anything tennis gets a bit burried in the tons of other results from other sports.

Slams are... about... 500 times more relevant, and more respected than OG wins. OG is a glorified M1000, nothing more.

The fact that it´s every 4 years makes it more of a joke, not less. It makes the triumphs almost random. Rafa was in peak form in 2008 so he won it. Murray similarly in 12 and 16. So were they lucky with the timing? You´d better believe it!

The fact that Murray won it twice while Novak and Roger never did only confirm its bizarre nature.

OG in 2011 or 2015? Novak´s.

OG in 2004-2006, 2009? Roger´s.

Too much luck involved.

 

[killerboss]

His "first" 2, as if there is much more to come? Lmao. Pretty good and unique achievement anyway, especially beating Djokovic and Federer back to back in 2012.

 

[Sysyphus]

Did you know that between every Olympics there are 16 slams in the same time span? That's how rare it is. I submit that winning a double & defended Olympic Gold Medal (biggest stage in sport) is therefore at the very least equivalent to 16+16 = 32 slams.

Seems to me like having 15 or 20 or 30 slams or whatever these guys have is a bit like being a billionaire in the 1920s' Weimar Republic: with that kind of inflation, it's not really that impressive, innit?

 

[TimHenmanATG]

You really believe that?

How many people around the world do you actually think follow ATP and/or WTA tennis?

Tiny numbers in a world of 7.5 billion people.

Now, how many people around the world do you think watch the Olympic Games?

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Did you know that between every Olympics there are 16 slams in the same time span? That's how rare it is. I submit that winning a double & defended Olympic Gold Medal (biggest stage in sport) is therefore at the very least equivalent to 16+16 = 32 slams.

Seems to me like having 15 or 20 or 30 slams or whatever these guys have is a bit like being a billionaire in the 1920s' Weimar Republic: with that kind of inflation, it's not really that impressive, innit?

How about we organize a tennis event that takes place every 30 years?

Let´s say it already existed, it took place in 1995 and then again in 2025.

No Big 3 win it, hence none of the Big 3 are true GOATs.

OG logic.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

How many people around the world do you actually think follow ATP and/or WTA tennis?

Tiny numbers in a world of 7.5 billion people.

Now, how many people around the world do you think watch the Olympic Games?

They don´t watch all the sports. Because it´s physically impossible.

People pick and choose which events they will watch in the OG.

I.e. OG ratings don´t reflect equally on the 100 meter sprint and the equestrian nonsense.

As for WTA/ATP, if they were watched by 11 people slam winners would win 5 dollars prize money...

 

[tennis_pro]

Who cares about the Olympics? Halle is worth more.

 

[Sysyphus]

How about we organize a tennis event that takes place every 30 years?

Let´s say it already existed, it took place in 1995 and then again in 2025.

No Big 3 win it, hence none of the Big 3 are true GOATs.

You make a fair point.

If a player could defend such a title, presuming that said title was of the same standing as the Olympic Games (biggest stage in sports), I would have to concede that he is indeed the goat.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Who cares about the Olympics? Halle is worth more.

Yes, but Sao Bras Alportel Futures event is bigger than Halle and OG combined...

 

[tennis_pro]

Yes, but Sao Bras Alportel Futures event is bigger than Halle and OG combined...

Debatable

 

[Mainad]

Who cares about the Olympics?

YOU will when Fed finally wins that singles gold.

Halle is worth more.

When Fed flourishes that OSG to the world's press you will forget where Halle even is.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Debatable

Not if the debate is taking place in Sao Bras Alportel...

 

[TimHenmanATG]

They don´t watch all the sports. Because it´s physically impossible.

People pick and choose which events they will watch in the OG.

I.e. OG ratings don´t reflect equally on the 100 meter sprint and the equestrian nonsense.

As for WTA/ATP, if they were watched by 11 people slam winners would win 5 dollars prize money...

You are missing the point, old chap.

The Olympic Games have universal appeal throughout every nation in the world.

Even if only 1% of Olympic viewers watched the tennis tournament, then that number would still be far higher than those of us who normally follow tennis as a sport.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

You are missing the point, old chap.

The Olympic Games have universal appeal throughout every nation in the world.

Even if only 1% of Olympic viewers watched the tennis tournament, then that number would still be far higher than those of us who normally follow tennis as a sport.

Justin Bieber sells 1000 times more CDs than many great bands.

Case closed.

Besides, where do you get these stats?

Besides besides, haven´t I already explained to you that not ALL sports at OG get the same ratings... 100 meter sprint and featherweight boxing... Not quite the same.

 

[tennis_pro]

YOU will when Fed finally wins that singles gold.



When Fed flourishes that OSG to the world's press you will forget where Halle even is.

meh

 

[tennis_pro]

Not if the debate is taking place in Sao Bras Alportel...

No

 

[UnderratedSlam]

No

I am in Sao Bras Alportel now.

And I am debating you.

So half the debate is there.

 

[TimHenmanATG]

Justin Bieber sells 1000 times more CDs than many great bands.

Case closed.

Besides, where do you get these stats?

Besides besides, haven´t I already explained to you that not ALL sports at OG get the same ratings... 100 meter sprint and featherweight boxing... Not quite the same.

Once again, you are continually missing the overall point.

Grand Slam tennis generally has small viewership outside of the Anglosphere, and a smattering of European and South American nations.

It's absurd to suggest that something like Wimbledon could even begin to compete with even the most niche of Olympic sports.

You ignore the fact that flyweight boxing at the Olympics is still going to have waaaay more viewers than Wimbledon and the US Open combined.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Once again, you are continually missing the overall point.

Grand Slam tennis generally has small viewership outside of the Anglosphere, and a smattering of European and South American nations.

It's absurd to suggest that something like Wimbledon could even begin to compete with even the most niche of Olympic sports.

You ignore the fact that flyweight boxing at the Olympics is still going to have waaaay more viewers than Wimbledon and the US Open combined.

Is this on Earth or Neptune?

Please, proof.

 

[vantagepointrocks]

You really believe that?

The Olympics have so many sports, that if anything tennis gets a bit burried in the tons of other results from other sports.

Slams are... about... 500 times more relevant, and more respected than OG wins. OG is a glorified M1000, nothing more.

The fact that it´s every 4 years makes it more of a joke, not less. It makes the triumphs almost random. Rafa was in peak form in 2008 so he won it. Murray similarly in 12 and 16. So were they lucky with the timing? You´d better believe it!

The fact that Murray won it twice while Novak and Roger never did only confirm its bizarre nature.

OG in 2011 or 2015? Novak´s.

OG in 2004-2006, 2009? Roger´s.

Too much luck involved.

Surely there was an Olympic Gold available for Roger to win in 2004.

 

[Mainad]

Surely there was an Olympic Gold available for Roger to win in 2004.

His Olympic runs were as follows:

2000 Sydney: semi-final loss to Haas.
2004 Athens: 2nd round loss to Berdych.
2008 Beijing: quarter-final loss to Blake.
2012 London: final loss to Murray.
2016 Rio: didn't play (injured).

 

[junior74]

His Olympic runs were as follows:

2000 Sydney: semi-final loss to Haas.
2004 Athens: 2nd round loss to Berdych.
2008 Beijing: quarter-final loss to Blake.
2012 London: final loss to Murray.
2016 Rio: didn't play (injured).

Winning medals isn't the point of the Olympics. It's the participating that counts

 

[N01E]

Winning medals isn't the point of the Olympics. It's the participating that counts

Maybe the real medal was the friends we made along the way.

 

[junior74]

Maybe the real medal was the friends we made along the way.

 

[RF-18]

Butthurt?

I actually like Andy.

I am glad he´s won OG, but it´s not much of a tournament, and he was very lucky.

Check out the draws. And the scores. Fact don´t lie.

Check What draws? He beat Djoko and Federer in 2012 in straight sets.

 

[DSH]

Mury goat!

 

[BringBackSV]

How about we organize a tennis event that takes place every 30 years?

Let´s say it already existed, it took place in 1995 and then again in 2025.

No Big 3 win it, hence none of the Big 3 are true GOATs.

OG logic.

Except it's nothing like that, other than that great analogy.

 

[topher]

OG in 2004-2006, 2009? Roger´s.

Too much luck involved.

There was an OG in 2004, Roger lost to a young Tomas Berdych in the 2nd round. I don't agree that the Olympics being every 4 years makes them lucky for ATGs. What kind of ATG has a prime of less than 4 years?

Rafa was in peak form in 2008 so he won it. Murray similarly in 12 and 16.

Fed won the USO in 2008 a couple months later after OG, both outdoor hardcourts. Fed won Wimby in 2012 a month before on the same exact courts, beating Murray. I think all of the Big 4 have had their chances at it. Have some made it a higher priority than others? Probably, but that shouldn't mean denigrating Andy's accomplishments - something no male tennis player had done before.

 

[Chadalina]

YOU will when Fed finally wins that singles gold.



When Fed flourishes that OSG to the world's press you will forget where Halle even is.

The spirit of the olympics is "team". One could argue a doubles gold is greater than a singles when you put the event in perspective.

 

[Mainad]

The spirit of the olympics is "team". One could argue a doubles gold is greater than a singles when you put the event in perspective.

Lol...nice try but no cigar. Something you have achieved all by yourself is always superior to something you achieved with the help of somebody else.

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

You ignore the fact that flyweight boxing at the Olympics is still going to have waaaay more viewers than Wimbledon and the US Open combined.

What?? Literally nobody cares about flyweight boxing other than maybe friends and relatives of the competitors. I can imagine people watching it for a while if it is on and there is nothing else to watch, but I never met any single person who could even tell you the name of one single flyweight boxer.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Check What draws? He beat Djoko and Federer in 2012 in straight sets.

Come on, everyone knows he was RF's pigeon in the big events...

RF was exhausted from the semis. He beat Andy at the same place just a month earlier.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Except it's nothing like that, other than that great analogy.

To make a point an extreme analogy often is used to expose the perhaps not so obvious flaws of a premise.

 

[Zara]

YOU will when Fed finally wins that singles gold.

When Fed flourishes that OSG to the world's press you will forget where Halle even is.

Why do you say 'when' when it should be 'if'? Does he have another 20 years left in him?

 

[Zara]

The spirit of the olympics is "team". One could argue a doubles gold is greater than a singles when you put the event in perspective.

The spirit of the Olympics is "team"? Ha ha. Okay.

 

[King No1e]

Did you know that between every Olympics there are 16 slams in the same time span? That's how rare it is. I submit that winning a double & defended Olympic Gold Medal (biggest stage in sport) is therefore at the very least equivalent to 16+16 = 32 slams.

Seems to me like having 15 or 20 or 30 slams or whatever these guys have is a bit like being a billionaire in the 1920s' Weimar Republic: with that kind of inflation, it's not really that impressive, innit?

No, being good in those 2 specific editions is not the same as winning every year. Nadal won USO in 2013 and 2017, does that mean he won all the USO's in between?

 

[UnderratedSlam]

There was an OG in 2004, Roger lost to a young Tomas Berdych in the 2nd round. I don't agree that the Olympics being every 4 years makes them lucky for ATGs. What kind of ATG has a prime of less than 4 years?



Fed won the USO in 2008 a couple months later after OG, both outdoor hardcourts. Fed won Wimby in 2012 a month before on the same exact courts, beating Murray. I think all of the Big 4 have had their chances at it. Have some made it a higher priority than others? Probably, but that shouldn't mean denigrating Andy's accomplishments - something no male tennis player had done before.

Thing is, everyone would agree that Novak and Federer would have at least one gold medal if the event took place every year.

Making it every 4 years makes it more of a lottery. Hence nonsense.

Besides, bestof3... Come on. How can that compete with slams? Not a chance.

 

[King No1e]

At the Olympics, Mury GOAT without a shadow of a doubt. He won Wimbledon and OG back to back both times too (only he and Nadal ever did that). It's certainly a unique record, but (needless to say) it's not quite on par with Slams.

 

[Chadalina]

The spirit of the Olympics is "team"? Ha ha. Okay.

How do they determine the winner of the olmypics?

Lol...nice try but no cigar. Something you have achieved all by yourself is always superior to something you achieved with the help of somebody else.

2 medals > 1 medal No?

 

[CrackedRacquet]

He lost the Mixed Doubles finals in 2012 though.

 

[-snake-]

Even crazier: he got extremely lucky with the draws, essentially having RF and Delpo do all the dirty work for him then face him in the finales depleted from having to beat ATGs...

And then they expect us to take OG seriously!

/thread


You destroyed this hypejob with just one post. Kudos to you, sir.

 

[topher]

Thing is, everyone would agree that Novak and Federer would have at least one gold medal if the event took place every year.

Making it every 4 years makes it more of a lottery. Hence nonsense.

Besides, bestof3... Come on. How can that compete with slams? Not a chance.

I don’t believe it’s on par with slams, but to call it akin to M1000? Cmon. Novak wouldn’t cry twice after losing to any random M1000.

 

[King No1e]

Even crazier: he got extremely lucky with the draws, essentially having RF and Delpo do all the dirty work for him then face him in the finales depleted from having to beat ATGs...

And then they expect us to take OG seriously!

He beat Djokovic and Federer back to back, absolutely crushed Federer (yes I know Fed played a long SF, but since it was BO3 its roughly equivalent physically to a 5-setter, and Fed has had plenty of those)
There was no fluke there. Mury Olympic GOAT.

 

[aditya123]

He beat Djokovic and Federer back to back, absolutely crushed Federer (yes I know Fed played a long SF, but since it was BO3 its roughly equivalent physically to a 5-setter, and Fed has had plenty of those)
There was no fluke there. Mury Olympic GOAT.

And he beat a red hot Delpo at Rio who defeated Djokovic and Nadal earlier!!

 

[King No1e]

And he beat a red hot Delpo at Rio who defeated Djokovic and Nadal earlier!!

Agreed, Del Potro played way better than his ranking showed. He beat Djokovic and Nadal.

 

[Poisoned Slice]