Crazy to think Sinner has not defeated Alcaraz in a slam in 3 years

because he hasn't found the keys to get out of alcatraz yet, in other words, hes not john mason (the rock, great movie)
 
dking68 said:
Should it be concerning if he goes over 3 years without defeating Alcaraz in a grand slam?

Also, ever since Sinner got the number 1 ranking, he has been unable to defeat Alcaraz. Why is this so?
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If I'm being objective, I don't think I'd be terribly concerned if I were you. He had match points on one of Alcaraz' best surfaces at RG and after Wimbledon you have to figure Sinner will be the favorite at USO and AO.
 
Alcawrath said:
If I'm being objective, I don't think I'd be terribly concerned if I were you. He had match points on one of Alcaraz' best surfaces at RG and after Wimbledon you have to figure Sinner will be the favorite at USO and AO.
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The situation is definitely not as bad as it looks but this could change if Alcaraz now wins W, USO and AO to complete the N-CYGS or maybe Djokovic wins W and then Alcaraz winning USO and AO, in such a scenario Sinner will be terribly affected with his own turf lost from him.
 
Its ridiculous being that hes #1 and all and 1-2 years older. Inexcusable really. Even Fed got the odd occasional win vs. Nadal who was a bigger matchup problem for him due to the "spinny moonball to backhand, rinse and repeat" than Carlos is to Sinner. Game wise you would think Carlos would own clay and Sinner would own the rest off clay. If he loses Wimbledon to Carlos this year, everyone is going to lose all hope in the guy. Its already borderline for him. Its turning into Nadal-Gasquet territory here. Sinner needs to stop the bleeding
 
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TheGoldenEra1990’s said:
Its ridiculous being that hes #1 and all and 1-2 years older. Inexcusable really. Even Fed got the odd occasional win vs. Nadal who was a bigger matchup problem for him due to the "spinny moonball to backhand, rinse and repeat" than Carlos is to Sinner. Game wise you would think Carlos would own clay and Sinner would own the rest off clay. If he loses Wimbledon to Carlos, everyone is going to lose all hope in the guy
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And they haven’t even played on Carlos’ best surface since 2022.
 
duaneeo said:
They've only met twice at a slam since the start of 2023...both times at Roland Garros.
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Alcaraz is dangerous on grass, he will finish off Sinner in 4 sets, it is actually good for Sinner that he avoids Alcaraz on Grass.

HC are the only turf where Sinner's rallies and style of play can take out Alcaraz but at this point I am not sure because Alcaraz is too athletic and too tough in the 5th set, so unless you finish him off in 3-4 sets he will murder you in the 5th even on HCs.
 
Razer said:
Alcaraz is dangerous on grass, he will finish off Sinner in 4 sets, it is actually good for Sinner that he avoids Alcaraz on Grass.

HC are the only turf where Sinner's rallies and style of play can take out Alcaraz but at this point I am not sure because Alcaraz is too athletic and too tough in the 5th set, so unless you finish him off in 3-4 sets he will murder you in the 5th even on HCs.
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I understand what you saying because another loss vs alcaraz for sinner might mean he gets into his head more. Sinner is the better HC player overall but if alcaraz gets into his head that much he might even beat him at us open or Australian open.

We seen what happened with Fed against Nadal but this could be worse for sinner if he not careful. He will go all out for Wimbledon but if he plays Carlos he can’t afford to lose again. Another loss and more pressure on us open and his mentality in biggest matches against the Spaniard .
 
Very difficult for Sinner to beat Carlos so soon here, not impossible

He will hope Djokovic takes out Carlos and he will do the 6-0 on Djokovic

Alcaraz will similarly hope Djokovic faces Sinner , so Djokovic gets taken out and he can avoid him and face Sinner
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
I understand what you saying because another loss vs alcaraz for sinner might mean he gets into his head more. Sinner is the better HC player overall but if alcaraz gets into his head that much he might even beat him at us open or Australian open.

We seen what happened with Fed against Nadal but this could be worse for sinner if he not careful. He will go all out for Wimbledon but if he plays Carlos he can’t afford to lose again. Another loss and more pressure on us open and his mentality in biggest matches against the Spaniard .
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Alcaraz is a 2 time defending champion at Wimbledon, only the big bad wolf can stop him, nobody except the wolf can beat him but the wolf is too old... So the odds are Alcaraz will win again if he reaches the final, he is unstoppable at Wimbledon.

Federer's case is different, there was an age gap of close to 5 years between him and nadal, as Federer approached 27 things got worse for him as Nadal reached age 22 and his peak. Federer if he was of the same age gap as Alcaraz-Sinner then he would not have lost Wimbledon. Sinner has no age issues but Alcaraz is the better player and that is the issue for Sinner. I dont think Sinner can beat Alcaraz at W even if he makes the final, it is impossible, if you make a bet on Sinner then you will lose money.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
I understand what you saying because another loss vs alcaraz for sinner might mean he gets into his head more. Sinner is the better HC player overall but if alcaraz gets into his head that much he might even beat him at us open or Australian open.

We seen what happened with Fed against Nadal but this could be worse for sinner if he not careful. He will go all out for Wimbledon but if he plays Carlos he can’t afford to lose again. Another loss and more pressure on us open and his mentality in biggest matches against the Spaniard .
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If Sinner were to beat Alcaraz in the final at Wimbledon, how many sets would he need to do it in?
 
dking68 said:
You think Sinner absolutely has to win Wimbledon beating Alcaraz if he wants to save the rivalry?
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It not a death knell but I do think it could impact him even for hard courts if he loses again. He needs to get back the momentum so he can feel even more confident facing alcaraz on hard courts. It not an absolute must because this isn’t sinner’s best surface but it would put him under pressure for hard courts should he lose again. If then he loses on hard courts at us open and Aussie open he’d then be in real trouble. He has to stop this snowballing and put the fire out.
 
Sinner still needs more tools in order to make the next step, he’s working on it.

Part of the problem is that Sinner’s base game is so incredibly effective, the extra levels are only needed with Alcaraz right now.

His ball control, power/speed is so incredibly consistent
 
Sinner missed by a whisker at RG this year. I do think that Alcaraz would beat Sinner in 4, should they meet at Wimbledon. That said, Sinner has gained on Alcaraz on clay. And I believe that he still has the advantage on hard courts. I.e, I don’t think that it will be a huge deal in their HTH if Alcaraz beats Sinner at Wimbledon. However, Sinner will have a huge deficit in the slam race.
 
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Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
He still lost the last 5 matches in a row to him. That is concerning considering it is his main rival who he will be battling the most in grand slam finals or any final going forward.
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I think posters read too much into that...especially considering the circumstance of their last two matches being on clay and being Sinner's first two tournaments played since the 3-month ban.
 
duaneeo said:
I think posters read too much into that...especially considering the circumstance of their last two matches being on clay and being Sinner's first two tournaments played since the 3-month ban.
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What do you think happens at Wimbledon? Alcaraz goes 6-0 or Sinner stops the bleeding?
 
Razer said:
The situation is definitely not as bad as it looks but this could change if Alcaraz now wins W, USO and AO to complete the N-CYGS or maybe Djokovic wins W and then Alcaraz winning USO and AO, in such a scenario Sinner will be terribly affected with his own turf lost from him.
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This is true but those are two very big ifs. Per the bookies, Alcaraz's chances at the AO are about 25%. They are about 40% at Wimbledon and about 30% at the US Open. If they are right, that gives him about a 3% chance of winning all three tournaments.
 
Imagine if Sinner had converted triple match point, or had a normal service game to serve out the match. The narrative would be completely different. In that case, the slam race is knotted at 4-4, and now, Sinner would be considered the favorite at 3 out of the 4 slam events + the ATP finals.

Alcaraz can’t afford to bail himself out of that situation again. He will need to play better than he did. And we saw how much Sinner improved on clay, despite that being only his 2nd tourney in 4 months.

I see Sinner improving some more. He hasn’t stopped improving. I think that they can split there matches from this point moving forward. That’s my gut.
 
dking68 said:
What do you think happens at Wimbledon? Alcaraz goes 6-0 or Sinner stops the bleeding?
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I think both will make the final, and am leaning more towards 6-0.

If that happens, hopefully Carlos will return the favor and afterwards meet Sinner on his favorite surface. They've only met once at a big HC tournament since 2024. No one wants a skewed rivalry.
 
Pheasant said:
Imagine if Sinner had converted triple match point, or had a normal service game to serve out the match. The narrative would be completely different. In that case, the slam race is knotted at 4-4, and now, Sinner would be considered the favorite at 3 out of the 4 slam events + the ATP finals.

Alcaraz can’t afford to bail himself out of that situation again. He will need to play better than he did. And we saw how much Sinner improved on clay, despite that being only his 2nd tourney in 4 months.

I see Sinner improving some more. He hasn’t stopped improving. I think that they can split there matches from this point moving forward. That’s my gut.
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Why do you think Sinner keeps improving so much? I see him achieving a non CYGS in his career similar to Novak
 
i mean they only played a couple times. If Raz made AO finals last 2 years Sinner would beat him. I dont know though if he would beat him twice since Carlos is tougher matchup unlike currant Med or Zverev
 
dking68 said:
Why do you think Sinner keeps improving so much? I see him achieving a non CYGS in his career similar to Novak
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His serve was improving before the layoff. Also, his endurance has improved a lot. He’s got Djokovic’s mentality, when it comes to continuously looking at improving. He mentions that this is his goal every time that I’ve seen him speak. Somebody with this kind of mentality is scary. Tiger Woods had it in golf. He was tinkering with his swing, even though he was #1 by a long shot. #1 wasn’t enough for him. He thrived on improving. Sinner has that attribute. And it’s rare. At some point, Sinner’s serve is going to be an ATG shot. I honestly believe that. His serve+1 is already at an ATG level. But his serve by itself will get there, IMHO. The guy has tremendous power in his shots. I see him getting more accurate with that serve. And he will continue to improve on his endurance, which only slightly let him down in the FO final(unlike last year, where you could see that he was visibly gassed in the 5th set of the FO and Wimbledon vs Alcaraz and Medvedev respectively. His 5-set record of 6-10 will improve quite a bit as he matures. He’s a late bloomer, kind of like Djoker was.
 
Razer said:
The situation is definitely not as bad as it looks but this could change if Alcaraz now wins W, USO and AO to complete the N-CYGS or maybe Djokovic wins W and then Alcaraz winning USO and AO, in such a scenario Sinner will be terribly affected with his own turf lost from him.
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No way Raz wins so much. He is way to inconsistant on HC to win USO and AO straight. But if he beats Sinner in Wim and USO final which is unlikely but still possible then i could see Sinners mental break down
 
I’m stoked for this rivalry. Alcaraz has the big advantage now. But this Sinner character is relentless in his pursuit of perfection. I honestly believe that he is supremely confident, despite being a quiet guy. Alcaraz is a juggernaut that has a very lively arm while being one of the fastest players I’ve ever seen. Sinner will never back down. He will enter these losses into that computer of a brain that he has, then come back stronger.

This is the most stoked I’ve been about a rivalry since Agassi vs Sampras. We now have two ATG players that are close to the same age. Now granted, we had that with Nadal/Djoker in spades. But I was not a fan of either one, even though I respect both of them a lot. I need to really like a player to be stoked about a rivalry. As much as I like Federer, he really didn’t have a great rivalry with anybody in his age group, once he hit his peak. He simply destroyed his age group, once he got going(Nalbandian, Hewitt, Safin, Roddick, and Davydenko).
 
Pheasant said:
His serve was improving before the layoff. Also, his endurance has improved a lot. He’s got Djokovic’s mentality, when it comes to continuously looking at improving. He mentions that this is his goal every time that I’ve seen him speak. Somebody with this kind of mentality is scary. Tiger Woods had it in golf. He was tinkering with his swing, even though he was #1 by a long shot. #1 wasn’t enough for him. He thrived on improving. Sinner has that attribute. And it’s rare. At some point, Sinner’s serve is going to be an ATG shot. I honestly believe that. His serve+1 is already at an ATG level. But his serve by itself will get there, IMHO. The guy has tremendous power in his shots. I see him getting more accurate with that serve. And he will continue to improve on his endurance, which only slightly let him down in the FO final(unlike last year, where you could see that he was visibly gassed in the 5th set of the FO and Wimbledon vs Alcaraz and Medvedev respectively. His 5-set record of 6-10 will improve quite a bit as he matures. He’s a late bloomer, kind of like Djoker was.
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Agree about the serve but I am not sure about the endurance aspect, we will have to wait and see, think much of his good form in this regard during RG was due to the 3 month ban, and he won’t have a break like this to re-charge and massively improve his physicality and endurance going forward
 
Pheasant said:
I’m stoked for this rivalry. Alcaraz has the big advantage now. But this Sinner character is relentless in his pursuit of perfection. I honestly believe that he is supremely confident, despite being a quiet guy. Alcaraz is a juggernaut that has a very lively arm while being one of the fastest players I’ve ever seen. Sinner will never back down. He will enter these losses into that computer of a brain that he has, then come back stronger.

This is the most stoked I’ve been about a rivalry since Agassi vs Sampras. We now have two ATG players that are close to the same age. Now granted, we had that with Nadal/Djoker in spades. But I was not a fan of either one, even though I respect both of them a lot. I need to really like a player to be stoked about a rivalry. As much as I like Federer, he really didn’t have a great rivalry with anybody in his age group, once he hit his peak. He simply destroyed his age group, once he got going(Nalbandian, Hewitt, Safin, Roddick, and Davydenko).
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agree
 
Djumhur said:
No way Raz wins so much. He is way to inconsistant on HC to win USO and AO straight. But if he beats Sinner in Wim and USO final which is unlikely but still possible then i could see Sinners mental break down
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Djoko could win Wimbledon and then Raz could win USO and AO, why not ? He could get more consistent if he loses W. If Nadal can win W in 08 and then go on to win AO next year then even Alcaraz can.

helterskelter said:
This is true but those are two very big ifs. Per the bookies, Alcaraz's chances at the AO are about 25%. They are about 40% at Wimbledon and about 30% at the US Open. If they are right, that gives him about a 3% chance of winning all three tournaments.
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Alcaraz could prove the bookies wrong because he turned 22 and he is at the same age when Nadal was at his absolute peak. Only time will tell.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
I understand what you saying because another loss vs alcaraz for sinner might mean he gets into his head more. Sinner is the better HC player overall but if alcaraz gets into his head that much he might even beat him at us open or Australian open.

We seen what happened with Fed against Nadal but this could be worse for sinner if he not careful. He will go all out for Wimbledon but if he plays Carlos he can’t afford to lose again. Another loss and more pressure on us open and his mentality in biggest matches against the Spaniard .
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At least Fed defended his turf against Nadal for a few years. Sinner hasn't defended HC against Raz at all.
 
Alcaraz has the biggest bag of tricks, infinite mental strength, and greater athleticism than everyone else.
Sinner cannot expect to beat a player of this grandeur.
Sinner should just be grateful to share the court with Godaraz.
 
Alcaraz would be the favourite in Wimbledon against Sinner no doubt, but it won't be a gimmie.

Margins were razor thin at the FO, wouldn't discount the guy with the more dominant service game at Wimbledon so easily.
 
It's the Nadal problem. Be better than the whole tour.
Also the one guy having your number but not being as efficient beating the rest of the tour.
 
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