Criteria/Accomplishments for GOAT

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Even though, I am an admittedly very biased, Federer worshiper, I do not think the man can win another Grand Slam. That being said, I also think Nadal can surpass Federer's 16 Grand Slams.

If Nadal does, is he the automatic GOAT?

I would be reluctant to call him the GOAT if he doesn't also do the following:

Win three different majors at least three times
Have more weeks at number one
Have more consecutive weeks at number one
Have more seasons of winning three grand slams in a season
Win at least one ATP Masters Cup
Have greater consistency - at least 10 Grand Slam consecutive Grand Slam semifinals and 4 Grand Slam consecutive Grand Slam finals

With Federer, I would only be reluctant to call him the GOAT because of the following:
Head to Head Record vs Nadal
Lack of Davis Cup Win
Lack of Olympics Win

Thoughts?
 
The entire thing centers around the Nadal H2H/slam count.

Davis Cup, I don't think Roger even cares about.

Olympic gold...a number of second rate pros have won that.
 
Criteria for GOAT:
-win 6 Wimbledons
-win 6 French Opens
-win 6 US Opens
-win 6 Australian Opens
-finish number one 7 times
-win 6 WTFs
-win 2 Olympics
-win 4 Davis Cups
-have a head-to-head ratio of 2-1 against every opponent

Obviously and clearly, a GOAT must do ALL this. As it stands, there is no GOAT. Therefore, everyone is on equal ground, including Roddick and Davydenko and Hewitt, along with Nadal and Federer. lol
 
I have summed up all those criteria that one can ever think of and matched them against the players acheivements.

Guess what...there is no player in ATP that can satisfy all the criteria (i was told that in TW boards we can find a lot of players with such credentials)

Tried to remove a couple of filters to get the closest we can get to a GOAT....Interestingly , as of today, it is Roger Federer.

In another interesting note, applying process of elimination, the following players are clearly not GOATS : Peter Sampras, Andre Agassi, Ivan Lendl, Stefan Edberg, Matts Wilander, McEnroe, etc.
 
IvanisevicServe said:
The entire thing centers around the Nadal H2H/slam count.

Davis Cup, I don't think Roger even cares about.
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That's partisan hack logic in action sorry.

What is Nadal's head to head with Sampras?

What about Federer's with Borg?

Oh... wait... they didn't play?.. does that mean they're even or should we look at another metric.. you know, one which matters regardless of year?

Yep. Slam count. Weeks at #1, consecutive weeks at #1.

Davis Cup is sort of irrelevant, I agree. If you come from a country where you're the only good player - as Federer was - you're stuffed. Davis Cup achievements cannot be down to a sole person's achievements. The year that Nadal won (2004) he played only 1 of the five matches in the final. Overall they played 20 matches and Nadal took part in 6, with 2 of those being doubles. He lost an important singles match against the Czech Republic too. How many slam equivalents is that really? 1/2? I don't know anyone who won a slam after losing their first match.

I agree with you only on the Olympic gold. That is an achievement almost worthy of a slam equivalent if final slam wins are the same.

So... what about year ending championships? Do they not exist?
 
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If one of your GOAT qualifications is that said candidate must win each major at least 3 times each then Federer is excluded since he has only won RG once.

By the way I do think Federer is GOAT,and nobody will surpass his slam count for a very long time,if ever. Nadal will never come close to surpassing Federer's slam count. Heck,he won't even make it to Pete's slam count. It simply will not happen.
 
Federer is the GOAT for me. My criteria for GOAT is
Number of slams, surface diversity of those slams win, has to be somewhat dominant (not necessary win every tournament enter, but at least in the final four), been to number 1 in ranking quite some time ( debatable here for number 2 ranking).
These are my criteria for GOAT. Maybe some of you have different criteria. You can share it.
 
Novak Djokovic is logically the greatest of all time.

1) It is widely accepted that the men's game today is the best it has ever been (depth of field, speed and spin of shots, fitness of players).

2) With the exception of the French Open, Djokovic has dominated the tour this year, and is without a doubt playing at the highest average level of any player this year

Since the mens game is at its highest level ever in 2011, and djokovic is at the top of the men's game, he is the greatest of all time. It has nothing to do with amount of titles won, it is based off level of play
 
ledwix said:
Criteria for GOAT:
-win 6 Wimbledons
-win 6 French Opens
-win 6 US Opens
-win 6 Australian Opens
-finish number one 7 times
-win 6 WTFs
-win 2 Olympics
-win 4 Davis Cups
-have a head-to-head ratio of 2-1 against every opponent

Obviously and clearly, a GOAT must do ALL this. As it stands, there is no GOAT. Therefore, everyone is on equal ground, including Roddick and Davydenko and Hewitt, along with Nadal and Federer. lol
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And who has done that?
 
Clarky21 said:
If one of your GOAT qualifications is that said candidate must win each major at least 3 times each then Federer is excluded since he has only won RG once.

By the way I do think Federer is GOAT,and nobody will surpass his slam count for a very long time,if ever. Nadal will never come close to surpassing Federer's slam count. Heck,he won't even make it to Pete's slam count. It simply will not happen.
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Winning each major at least 3 times was my criteria as well, however, if I stay with it, no one on men side would qualify GOAT, but I must say Steffi Graf in my mind is women GOAT, at least as a singles player.
As for Federer, he is GOAT for me in a very long time, when he won his 13 slams. He was beaten only by ClayGOAT in those FO.

As for Nadal, I think he has a chance to pass Federer in slam count, especially if he wins this Wimbledon. However, in order for him to become GOAT, he needs to win at least 2 US Open, 2 AO so that he can show surface diversity in his slam counts.
 
Sampras could have been GOAT but French is missing entirely.
Lendl could have been GOAT but Wimbledon is missing and so many GS final losses.
Borg could have been GOAT but quit midway.

Federer would have been the GOAT with his records and beautiful game but H2H against Nadal is going against him.

Nadal can be GOAT with his results but how can he be goat
- with such pathetic time wasting and injury timeouts to break rythm of opponents.
- the game is brutal but ugly and more defense based. this game won't survive in earlier generations.
- spent most of the years as No.2 . Only of late dominated non-clay surafces.


So the GOAT search continues... :)
 
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