Critic my strokes

dozu

Banned
decent FH

both BH and serve are quite stiff. if you loosen up the grip and relax more in general, you will feel the shots better.

foot work patterns also need major work... watch some pros and see the pattern they use to move to wide or short balls and mimic those.

the idea is to use bigger muscles to power the shots (therefore you need to relax the small muscles), and feel the gravity and have a good rhythm when you move around so you don't lose balance.

your body type looks very intimidating, if you develop some big serves and move around better, and solidify that bh, you can do some damage.
 

TheBoom

Hall of Fame
decent FH

both BH and serve are quite stiff. if you loosen up the grip and relax more in general, you will feel the shots better.

foot work patterns also need major work... watch some pros and see the pattern they use to move to wide or short balls and mimic those.

the idea is to use bigger muscles to power the shots (therefore you need to relax the small muscles), and feel the gravity and have a good rhythm when you move around so you don't lose balance.

your body type looks very intimidating, if you develop some big serves and move around better, and solidify that bh, you can do some damage.

Ok thanks. I have had lots of problems with my backhand and i cant seem to figure whats up with it. And how do i relax for the serve?
 

mightyrick

Legend
Your whole body really isn't participating completely in your serve. Your fist pump is annoying, but not as annoying as Sharapova's... so work on that. Your racquet takeback looks really erratic to me, but your racquet speed is good. Choosing the lasso-whipping return of serve seems weird to me -- fairly impatient. Especially given that your opponent's serve is actually pretty lame.

Overall not too bad. But I did find your game a little impatient. Net rushing was too aggressive, forehand was a bit too aggressive, and return of serve was too aggressive.
 

GetBetterer

Hall of Fame
First off, I want to say thank you for actually uploading a match instead of just hitting strokes.

Second, at about 3:45 you went for an inside-out forehand when you shouldn't have, which in turn caused your shot to go out. So be careful with judgement.

You're also very tall, use this to your advantage. Especially at the net, it would be very hard to lob you successfully.

Also, despite your height you can still do foot push, which may actually lead to a faster more deadlier serve.
 

TheBoom

Hall of Fame
So i should a) work on my foot push off b) be more patient c) have better footwork? Any other advice? Sorry bout the fist pump i have fun with that :)
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
You should look at TennisBalla's serve and forehand, for a hint to your future strokes. You guys are about the same height, both have the physical chance to make pro, and both athletes.
Lower your serving hand at prep, for more power and a longer service motion leading to possible faster rackethead speed.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
I think it's smooth, for an unnatural stroke for you.
Lower your hitting hand on prep, swing much faster like TennisBalla, use legs if you want, but at your size, it's a luxury. Your arm length and leverage is stuff we midgets only dream about.
 

TheBoom

Hall of Fame
I think it's smooth, for an unnatural stroke for you.
Lower your hitting hand on prep, swing much faster like TennisBalla, use legs if you want, but at your size, it's a luxury. Your arm length and leverage is stuff we midgets only dream about.

Ok sweet! Any other advice?
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Only thing is you need better competition to get good, and you WILL get good.
Playing someone who's a true 3.2 doesn't do your game any good.
Hit with purpose either DTL or CC, not up the middle. You can get away hitting anything against someone you own.
Would like to see you hit with the current top 2 on your team, so more competition might expose more weaknesses in your game.
Your game is strong, and developing lots right now.
 

TheBoom

Hall of Fame
Only thing is you need better competition to get good, and you WILL get good.
Playing someone who's a true 3.2 doesn't do your game any good.
Hit with purpose either DTL or CC, not up the middle. You can get away hitting anything against someone you own.
Would like to see you hit with the current top 2 on your team, so more competition might expose more weaknesses in your game.
Your game is strong, and developing lots right now.

The problem for me is that i dispatched the number two 6-2 6-0 he and i have been fighting for 1&2 for a while and i beat him 7-5 3-0 (we ran out of court time at a club but it was on my serve) and 6-1 6-4 then that so the only person (not tryin to sound cocky) that is competition is a pusher but thats about it and even then i beat him so i don't know what to do :-?
 

dozu

Banned
wild guess 3.5-4.0, fwiw.... but don't worry about the rating thing, I am only a 3.5

anyway...NolemurraY, in his first video, had a lot of choppiness... but in his last video, he is smooth as silk... you can go thru his threads and get some hints.

1 drill you can use, is to get your hitting arm(s) swinging backing and forth without stopping like a pendulum, and while doing that, move around court, side to side, back and forth, you will realize that you can only fire a shot at certain moment to stay in balance..... this will give you a new perspective on what tempo really means, and you will see that all the good players on TV hit with that type of tempo.

right now your backhand often fire at the wrong time, throwing you off balance, that is 1 major reason that it's so weak.
 

mightyrick

Legend
Btw what do you think my rating is anyone?

I'd say you are 3.5. I'm a pretty strong 3.5, closer to 4.0. I think you and I would have a competitive match, but I think I would beat you. Only because of your impatience... I think you try to force it too a little to much. In fact, you'd actually probably beat yourself more so than me beating you.

If you get more patient, be deliberate and thoughtful with your hitting, and actually use your body on your serve... I think you'd be a real force. An easy 4.0 if you make a few adjustments.

You've got that tall, skinny, lanky-assed tennis body. Hard to lob over. Hard to pass. Very advantageous. Lots of potential.

Against players like you, all I can do it hit cannon forehands right at your feet. Most tall tennis players can't pick up low balls to save their lives. I'd probably also try to lob you into trying to hit overheads while backpeddling (a very difficult shot).
 

TheBoom

Hall of Fame
Thanks for the input. I was thinking i was a 3.5 but wasn't sure. And i actually pick up balls at my feet very well for someone my size. How would i become more patient then?
 

coyfish

Hall of Fame
Not sure if patience is really a big deal here considering your longest rally was like 2 shots before your opponent dumped it in the net.
 

BobFL

Hall of Fame
You definitely need a stronger player across the net. The other guy is just weak. Playing stronger guys helped my game like nothing else. Also, you need some serious core workouts. I know what I am talking about because I was tall and skinny guy (6'4" and 176lbs) and now I am not skinny (225lbs) :) Core strength is super-important...
 

Blake0

Hall of Fame
In general: Work on leading the stroke with the core/hips. Too much arming going on, not enough body. Load on outside foot and swing from the ground up.

Forehand: Work on and visualize a swing path for every stroke you hit (consistency get's better).

Backhand: You seem to be hitting it late, forcing you to short arm the ball. Get the contact point a bit more in front and make sure to have good arm extension through the shot.
 

mightyrick

Legend
Thanks for the input. I was thinking i was a 3.5 but wasn't sure. And i actually pick up balls at my feet very well for someone my size. How would i become more patient then?

Patience is really just about deliberately crafting/forming the point. Looking at your video, it felt like you were hitting the ball without a plan. Almost like it was just reflex. Sometimes, it went straight back to the other player. I did like a couple of your approach shots to the net, though.

A few times, it really looked like you were trying to end the point but from a disadvantageous position. A couple of times, you hit the ball long or wide because you were crushing the ball... but were in a spot like no man's land... or you weren't able to get a full unit turn in.

Right now, I just don't think you have total command of your power. You hit a damned hard ball -- no question. But you have a challenge finding your range. Personally, I'd like to see you hang back at the baseline. Work on those strokes. Work your opponent corner to corner. I thought your baselining was much more effective than your approaching the net.
 

TheBoom

Hall of Fame
I'lll see if i can find someone a little better to film with. It sounds like i should just in general get like bigger?
 

TheBoom

Hall of Fame
Patience is really just about deliberately crafting/forming the point. Looking at your video, it felt like you were hitting the ball without a plan. Almost like it was just reflex. Sometimes, it went straight back to the other player. I did like a couple of your approach shots to the net, though.

A few times, it really looked like you were trying to end the point but from a disadvantageous position. A couple of times, you hit the ball long or wide because you were crushing the ball... but were in a spot like no man's land... or you weren't able to get a full unit turn in.

Right now, I just don't think you have total command of your power. You hit a damned hard ball -- no question. But you have a challenge finding your range. Personally, I'd like to see you hang back at the baseline. Work on those strokes. Work your opponent corner to corner. I thought your baselining was much more effective than your approaching the net.

Ok thanks for that i actually would rather be at the baseline but it my opponents always hit it short and i end up having to go up
 

mightyrick

Legend
Ok thanks for that i actually would rather be at the baseline but it my opponents always hit it short and i end up having to go up

Yep, I saw that for sure. I agree with whoever in the thread said get a better hitting partner. This guy is not going to help you improve. To improve, you need someone you can rally with. The guy you're hitting with is maybe a 3.0.

You need rallies where there are 8 or 10 balls back and forth.
 

TheBoom

Hall of Fame
Yep, I saw that for sure. I agree with whoever in the thread said get a better hitting partner. This guy is not going to help you improve. To improve, you need someone you can rally with. The guy you're hitting with is maybe a 3.0.

You need rallies where there are 8 or 10 balls back and forth.

Ok. Its hard to find people in my city that are good like that. The only guy is a 4.0-4.5 coach and he destroys everyone he plays
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Dude, with your power and size, it's a few months before you start to beat this "4-4.5" coach.
Get a real serve. Hit either DTL or sharp CC, never up the middle. Stay in there mentally even if the strokes start to collapse. Have backup strokes in case your primary fails.
Practice putting away all overheads with ONE shot, if you're closer than 4' behind your service line.
 

ci2ca

Semi-Pro
decent FH

both BH and serve are quite stiff. if you loosen up the grip and relax more in general, you will feel the shots better.

foot work patterns also need major work... watch some pros and see the pattern they use to move to wide or short balls and mimic those.

the idea is to use bigger muscles to power the shots (therefore you need to relax the small muscles), and feel the gravity and have a good rhythm when you move around so you don't lose balance.

your body type looks very intimidating, if you develop some big serves and move around better, and solidify that bh, you can do some damage.

What? When I think of movement on a tennis court, I don't think of rhythm, I think of explosiveness. Which the OP is lacking. He needs to time his split step not to just split step but to be explosive off of it. I do agree that his footwork is mediocre and definitely needs some ball machine cone work. (Moving around a cone before hitting a ball on a ball machine)

OP Are you guys really #1 and #2 at your school? Where are you guys from?

OP your forehand take back is huge. A swing that big could lead to BIG inconsistency issues. Do you have really good days and really off days? IT's a combination of your footwork and stroke timing. Having a swing that big means you're relying on the momentum of the your big backswing to hit the ball with meaning you're arming the ball and not using your hips, shoulders, and legs. Remember the take back is a natural slow motion but as soon as your racket drops to drive the ball, that's when you accelerate and FIRE your hip to hit the ball. So shorten up that backswing and learn to accelerate from your shoulders and hips for a more consistent bigger ball and I can guarantee you'll be playing better tennis.

Nice Dunlop btw.

Happy hitting man.
 

dozu

Banned
^^^ rhythm refers to the swing... it's just a different way of describing balance.

hitting arm weights 15-20 lbs... you can't just fire it at any random moment, out of sync with weight transfer

explosiveness is right, the faster you move, the more time you have.
 

TheBoom

Hall of Fame
What? When I think of movement on a tennis court, I don't think of rhythm, I think of explosiveness. Which the OP is lacking. He needs to time his split step not to just split step but to be explosive off of it. I do agree that his footwork is mediocre and definitely needs some ball machine cone work. (Moving around a cone before hitting a ball on a ball machine)

OP Are you guys really #1 and #2 at your school? Where are you guys from?

OP your forehand take back is huge. A swing that big could lead to BIG inconsistency issues. Do you have really good days and really off days? IT's a combination of your footwork and stroke timing. Having a swing that big means you're relying on the momentum of the your big backswing to hit the ball with meaning you're arming the ball and not using your hips, shoulders, and legs. Remember the take back is a natural slow motion but as soon as your racket drops to drive the ball, that's when you accelerate and FIRE your hip to hit the ball. So shorten up that backswing and learn to accelerate from your shoulders and hips for a more consistent bigger ball and I can guarantee you'll be playing better tennis.

Nice Dunlop btw.

Happy hitting man.

No he isn't number two. He is a doubles player that wanted to play me that day. So i shouldn't have such a loopy swing then? And i do like the dunlops too thanks :) and i'm from a suburb of portland oregon
 
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TheBoom

Hall of Fame
Dude, with your power and size, it's a few months before you start to beat this "4-4.5" coach.
Get a real serve. Hit either DTL or sharp CC, never up the middle. Stay in there mentally even if the strokes start to collapse. Have backup strokes in case your primary fails.
Practice putting away all overheads with ONE shot, if you're closer than 4' behind your service line.

Thanks for this advise. I actually never had like a club coach i've worked with my high school coach during his middle school camps and just practiced lots
 
I would say for your serve, that you can try to keep your left arm up a bit longer, so that you can go up after the ball more, and have a bit more consistency and power with it
 

ci2ca

Semi-Pro
No he isn't number two. He is a doubles player that wanted to play me that day. So i shouldn't have such a loopy swing then? And i do like the dunlops too thanks :) and i'm from a suburb of portland oregon

You can have a loopy swing if you can time it. But majority of the time it's advisable against it. Have you heard of a double bend forehand? It's the forehand that has the elbow a little closer to the body meaning your hitting arm is rotating with your core. The double bend forehand also forces you to hit the ball out of front of your body.

What I teach for a more compact forehand is bringing the racket back with your offhand (the hand not on the racket) all the way back. This is the same thing as reaching across your body to ensure a good shoulder turn. After you've done that, all you have to drop the racket head under the ball and rotate and hit the ball. Also on your finish, you want to elevate your elbow on your follow through for spin and drive the elbow point if you want to drive the ball.

How are you liking those new dunlops? I use to love dunlops but I hold my racket pretty low and their buttcaps always come loose and start squeaking so I switched off them quite a while ago. I actually got to hit a tiny bit with the new Bio 300 tour and thought it was nice. I dislike the metallic Pj though.

Once again man, Happy hitting.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Buttcap comes loose, I'd staple it on with bigger staples and use some glue, not change rackets.
 

ci2ca

Semi-Pro
^^^ rhythm refers to the swing... it's just a different way of describing balance.

hitting arm weights 15-20 lbs... you can't just fire it at any random moment, out of sync with weight transfer

explosiveness is right, the faster you move, the more time you have.

Oh got it. I definitely agree then, the slow take back I mentioned has to do with rhythm as well. That's the easy part, the hard part is performing the latter. Haha.
 

ci2ca

Semi-Pro
Buttcap comes loose, I'd staple it on with bigger staples and use some glue, not change rackets.

Tried it. By the time the rackets start squeaking it's already torn a hole in the foam in the handle. I've tried gluing and stapling. This was 6-7 years ago anyways.
 

TheBoom

Hall of Fame
Ok i don't really have off days with my forehand but my backhand is off on. And they are very nice if you look at the threads i've started you'll find my review on the 300 tour :)
 

Torres

Banned
Boom - I think you're taking on too much if you look to work on several aspects of your game at once. Pick one aspect of your game and work on that for the few weeks/months to get some solid foundations. The best you can do is get a couple of coaches to look at various aspects of your game, and what stroke mechanics might need some re-working. I say a 'couple' of coaches because different people tend to see different things and it will give you idea of teaching styles that you might prefer.

Without getting into a lengthy analysis of your entire game, one thing which I do think you can work on and correct fairly quickly - probably within several weeks - is the start of your service motion. If you look closely, you have an abbreviated start to your service motion. You bounce the ball, the racquet comes back towards your feet but then stops going back and then goes straight up, back over your right shoulder, with your wrist cocked. Its like you're trying to throw a jacket over your right shoulder. The consequence of that is that it doesn't help with consistency. The start of service motion should be slow, and most importantly relaxed. You're a bit jerky and abbreviated. It not the easiest to describe in words, but it will affect the rest of your service motion.

When you take the racquet back, stay loose, let the weight of racquet take itself itself, take it back PAST your feet - a bit like if you're following the numbers of the bottom of a clock from 8 o'clock to at least 5 o'clock, so that you open your shoulders and chest more, before your go into the trophy pose. Try and get rid of that cocked wrist. You should be taking your racquet back so that at some point, the tip should briefly be pointing towards the back of the court before you going into the trophy pose.

Get a good coach to have a look at this.
 
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Anton

Legend
Ok thanks. I have had lots of problems with my backhand and i cant seem to figure whats up with it. And how do i relax for the serve?

1. Keep your left arm up longer and tension your side like a bow.

2. Fold in your left arm on your side as shoulders rotate (sometimes you don't and it throws your balance off).

3. Sequence should be -

a. Bow tension,
b. fold the left arm into the side of the body and begin shoulder rotation (relax your arm during this phase and let the racket fall downwards)
c. throw the racket just before your shoulder rotation fully completes.

Feel the rotation and only then throw the arm - don't try to start both at the same time.

Watch this a few times and notice the differences from what you are doing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiH-tOZsZoM


Backhand -

1. take the racket back lower and maybe a bit closer to your body.
2. Let racket face fall bellow the ball before striking it so you get more spin and control on it.

You are taking the racket up high, but then skip straight to hitting the ball without letting the racket come down first - so you are getting too much push and not enough brush up.

Forehand - pretty good, good spin, aggressive, seems to be controlled - maybe try to keep the racket closer to body on the takeback for better balance.

Overall i'd say you are around 4.0, though tough to say from just one vid and uneven matchup.
 
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tlm

G.O.A.T.
Was there ever a point that went more than 3 shots? This was terrible to watch, it is hard to see how good you are because there was not one rally in the whole clip. Find someone who can actually keep the ball in the court for more that 3 shots.
 

CptnRiceKrispy

New User
Hey...You look pretty decent. Big, tall guy...you should join my bantam AAA hockey team haha.

In all seriousness you have lots of potential.
 

b.termite

Rookie
Thanks good to know i have potential haha :) and i LOVE hockey! Second best sport haha :)

But.. then again.. if i put a picture of my cat sitting on a racket, people on here would say she has a lot of potential. thats just a term on this website. the average response on here is.. "O wow, you hit the ball back.. you're going pro, and.. you have a lot of potential!!" the guy obviously didnt lose 6-0, 6-2. Because at 1:55, the guy says "3-2 love all". good try though.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
..er...
Boom is really tall, moves well, hits the ball with excellent swingspeed, has been playing a short time, admits it, and plays well for his experience. Plus, he's realistic, has a good sense of his abilities, is responsive to suggestion and tips.
He as potential to easily play college tennis. Any further is up to him alone.
 
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