Critique my ground game

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  1. s_andrean

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    I'm getting back into tennis after a few years out and have my first tournament in a decade in 2 weeks. Here's me hitting with a 6.5 NRTP player, I don't have a rating of any sort as I haven't played in ages. Any and all feedback welcome!

     
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  2. TimeToPlaySets

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    When you're out of position, are you hitting off your heels, and falling back?
    Compensating by wristing it?
     
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    How do you do in match play?
     
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    I don't see any wrist. What the hell are you talking about TTPS?
    OP is freaking GOOOOOD. Love the forehand.
     
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    Which one is you?
     
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    He is the guy with 130mph serve from about 6 months ago, remember?

    Sorry, 134mph.

     
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  7. Chadillac

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    His core is producing the power, his wrist is applying. He has very compact rotations but its very there.

    Looks like you can get a bit more prep on some shots, reaching back and touch more coil. Like when versdasco has time, he hits that 2nd gear on prep

    Bh at 26 secs was hit very well, but your back leg swung a bit and created a bit of off balance after. Happened again at 36 but you were going xcourt anyways, not so bad on that one, but if up the line it will make it curve to middle.

    Great hitting though, racket makes a nice sound
     
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  8. FiReFTW

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    You move extremely well, nice footwork!
     
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  9. s_andrean

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    That's me! And this time I've worked out how to use a camera properly.
     
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  10. s_andrean

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    A little

    Not as good - I tend to tense up but this will go away with practise hopefully. I don't think I'm the only one in this boat though.

    Thanks buddy.

    The guy closest to the comera.

    Thanks for the feedback buddy - some slightly earlier prep would work I think as you say. My backhand is unsurprisingly my weaker shot, maybe I should try getting down lower a bit so my back let doesn't swing out?

    Thanks!
     
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  11. Chas Tennis

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    One hand backhand - I look at poster's strokes and point out what I think are differences between them and high level strokes as seen in high speed videos.

    The backhands of Wawrinka, Justine Henin and Gasquet have two characteristics that I believe are important for current top one hand backhand technique. They can be seen in high speed videos. It is not clear what Federer is doing on the first of these issues.

    1) The chest should press the upper arm during the first part of forward arm and racket acceleration. This is a little different that just turning the upper body. When this occurs the line between the two shoulders and the upper arm move together and there is no separation of the upper arm from the chest. The shoulder muscles are relaxed or not used with enough torque to separate the upper arm from the chest. In your video from behind it is not clear what you are doing because your body blocks the chest to upper arm area. Later, before impact the shoulder muscles are used and the upper arm separates from the chest. See high speed videos for details and timing.

    2) The off arm brings down the racket by rotating the near straight arm and causing internal shoulder rotation (ISR), a defined shoulder joint motion. The off arm does not simply bring the racket down, it rotates the arm at the shoulder joint as it comes down. This stretches the ESR muscles below. Compare your motion to Wawrinka's. This is done rapidly mostly(?) before the forward motion starts. Before impact the upper arm reverses rotation direction and external shoulder rotation (ESR) causes the arm and racket head to rise. This adds to top spin. See high speed videos for details and timing.



    Look for

    1) chest to upper arm spacing. In contact?
    2) how the line between the two shoulders moves together with the upper arm at the start of forward acceleration.
    3) how the off arm rotates the the hitting arm down. Look at racket angle.
    4) how far the hitting hand extends behind the body before forward motion.

    Compare to yours.

    For details on these two features see thread. Read post #1 and post #51 to end.
    https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...and-waht-force-to-start-forward-swing.462997/
     
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  12. FiReFTW

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    1. No
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  13. ptuanminh

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    How do you train for your footwork? It doesn't look like much effort for you.
     
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  14. jga111

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    Great hitting and it’s clear you have the technical foundation to compete at high level (mentality permitting).

    Id say in one or two shots you can prep earlier - your backhand drive on 0:26 was good but IMO you took slightly late and the ball wasn’t hit in front of you enough.
     
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    My footwork used to be pretty bad but i just started emulating players that were better than me and watching what the pros did - you need to actively concentrate on it and it will come eventually. I've never had any formal coaching with it. Staying low forces you to move your feet more purposely.. that's probably the best tip I can give.

    Yeah, I've noticed this looking at the video, I'll try to prep a tiny bit earlier on both sides. i appreciate the kind comments btw.
     
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  16. Wise one

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    You look just fine to me. On some balls you wait a little too long, and they drop lower than is ideal. You want to hit balls on the rise whenever possible.
     
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  17. S&V-not_dead_yet

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    Not letting the ball drop too low is different from hitting on the rise: one is after the apex and the other is before.
     
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    OP, looks like your timing and contact point are off. To get back into the groove, really work on hitting the ball in your ideal contact point (distance in front of the body) starting with some slower shots. Then, up the pace you are hitting against. Looks like you are late and having to swing fast to get the racket to the point where you contact the ball. Probably just a symptom of not having hit very much in a while.
     
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  19. Curious

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    You might have a point. Strokes look rushed with quick, jerky forward swings. They are still quite effective though.
     
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  20. Wise one

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    The point is that he is hitting a few balls late and rushing the swing.
     
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  21. Chas Tennis

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    Apparent stroke speed? -

    In England, the electrical power frequency is 50 Hz. The video cameras sold in Europe usually record at 25 fps to avoid light flicker (100 Hz light output from positive & negative voltage peaks).

    If the camera recorded at 25 Hz could it be that the playback at 30 fps is speeding up the stroke playback? Processing?

    To check the Youtube video - total playback time is 43 seconds.

    What was the total recording time? Or the playback time in Europe?
     
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  22. s_andrean

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    Thanks - this is the consistent feedback I was looking for, I'll work on earlier prep as I definitely looks like I'm rushing the end of the stroke as a lot of you have said... this would also explain why I'm occasionally spraying balls wide on both sides.

    Sorry, what? Recorded using an iphone X in 4K 30fps if that means anything.
     
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  23. Chas Tennis

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    I don't know much about Youtube video processing for storage or playback. Right clicking on OP video at full screen and the "stats for nerds" shows resolution of "1280x720@30 fps" for my Youtube playback. Is the 4K stored by Youtube?

    But if 30 fps recording and 30 fps playback the playback should be in real time, no problem.

    The iPhone X video camera has high speed video recording at 60, 120 and 240 fps. 240 fps in bright sunlight is excellent for stroke analysis. Video a few backhands from the side to see hand and racket positions. Also take a camera angle that shows the chest and upper arm area - as shown in some of the Wawrinka backhands in post #11 - and you would have a very good high speed video comparison.

    Here is a detailed comparison -

    Place the camera so it won't get knocked over.
     
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  24. Chas Tennis

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  25. Sardines

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    In 2 weeks, you shouldn't really drastically try to do change much. Plus 3 mins video is very difficult to get a sense of your overall game.
    As other have said, your contact point on the forehand is late. The shots I saw in the video shows because of your contact point, the shots are limited in angle. I'd work on moving the hitting point 5-7" forward, so it's in front of your body, like your last forehand in the video.
    Your backhand also suffers from a slightly late contact point, and the follow through from your upper torso is across your body instead of forward first, which results in lack of depth.
    You're also trying too hard to get pace on the ball without the groove on your stroke, while hitting late, so your depth control is a little inconsistent. Work on your timing, follow through and contact points in the first week, then increase the power in the 2nd week once you groove the strokes a bit, which will help with your depth. If he is your hitting coach, ask him to dial it back 2 notches, then turn it up as you hit better. He's probably seeing you trying to drive the ball hard so he thinks he should up the pace, so you escalate and throw your timing off.
     
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  26. s_andrean

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    Are there any hacks to consistently hitting the ball in front of you? I've never had any conventional coaching so would mind a bit of guidance here to help me along.
     
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