Crying Zverev says : "Djokovic is the GOAT"

Rozroz

G.O.A.T.
the younger generation are mostly missing something in the mental toughness.
my bet is the internet and phones and being more spoiled. something about confronting realtime "war" is not fully integrated.
 

PilotPete

Hall of Fame
Zverev didn't play like a mug. Just stop it. He played his heart out and gave his best GS performance. He would have beaten anyone except Novak.

We can do all kinds of retrospective analysis and find fault with Zed. But the Fact is Novak is too good and too clutch. No one would have beaten him yesterday. Not Fed, not Nadal. It doesn't matter what you do, Novak always finds a way to win.
Huh?

Where are the folks who said Zverev will win. LOL.
The Mug is going to get BAGELED in this set. What a pathetic performance on the big stage.
Everyone knew this from a mile away.
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
Can’t fault a player for being emotional after a loss but the problem with his comments is that he really isn’t showing belief he can win next time. Z’s level was good enough to win but his mentality wasn’t. He had a letdown right away after winning each of his sets and wasn’t able to respond and stop the bleeding as Djokovic picked up the pace with the lead. He needs a coach like Magnus Norman that can help him find more self belief. Z is the only young player with the game to take the match out of the hands of the older guys but his mind holds him back
 

Ducky Lucky

New User
@Hitman - Have you seen Nadal or Novak cry after losing to greats in close matches early in their career? or even Fed, never saw him cry after losing to Agassi or all those fellows...

These guys are weak, I am telling you bro, he is giving stats at the press conference to justify why Novak is GOAT instead of saying today was not his day but next time he will do better.

This happens when a player does not believe that he can do better next time, it is a psychological thing I tell you, he probably doubting himself on what he can do different next time as well...
Didn't Federer cry after losing to Nadal?
 

Enceladus

Legend
This is one indicator that we have a weak era now. If Djokovic wins the GS tomorrow, this will not rank among the great Grand Slams, it would be more like Laver's 1962 grand slam, which was won over some outstanding players, but not top-30 all-time great players. Only Emerson, Santana offered serious opposition that year in 1962.
You compare apples to zucchinis, lol. If Djokovic wins on Sunday, his CYGS will have greater value than both of Laver's CYGS. The reasons are surface diversity, in Laver's time there were no HC grandslams and in the case of 1962 the prohibition of professional competition.
 

cortadew

New User
You compare apples to zucchinis, lol. If Djokovic wins on Sunday, his CYGS will have greater value than both of Laver's CYGS. The reasons are surface diversity, in Laver's time there were no HC grandslams and in the case of 1962 the prohibition of professional competition.
Nole CYGS has no value since he win it mostly against mugs according to Beckerserve :-D
 

duaneeo

Legend
"There is a reason why he's won 20 grand slams. There's a reason why he's spent the most weeks as world #1. There's a lot of reasons for that."

There's one reason for that: Back-to-back LostGens. Djokovic's total slam loss record to players born in the 1990's:

2017 Roland Garros - Thiem
2018 Australian Open - Chung
2018 Roland Garros - Cecchinato
2019 Roland Garros - Thiem

His slam record against CurrentGen's Medvedev/Zverev/Berrettini/Tsitsipas: 10-0
 

liriel

Semi-Pro
So many great posts so that I decided not to quote anyone but I do agree. Zverev was crying. He went MIA from social media as did his brother. He didn't even want to elicit sympathy by doing that right away.
Anyway I'm scared that with such a huge potential he needs a better mental coach.
He answered honestly but I believe he'll be again very scared of Novak. Not a good sign. Just like Rafa I imagine.
Also, help me out. What's "Jimmy Connors approach to opponents"? Could someone tell me? :) I'd be grateful.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
You compare apples to zucchinis, lol. If Djokovic wins on Sunday, his CYGS will have greater value than both of Laver's CYGS. The reasons are surface diversity, in Laver's time there were no HC grandslams and in the case of 1962 the prohibition of professional competition.
You joke....they had grass in those days, three different types of grass.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
i do worry about sasha... somewhat,,, with his game,, he should have won 3-4 majors by now,,,, but he lost them all. and showed mental breakdown in tough points of the match. he may need to hire Ivan Lendl as coach
 

liriel

Semi-Pro
Can't believe I am saying this but I feel sorry for Zverev tbh.He is committed to tennis, at his best he can be a beast and he wants to win badly, to prove himself, but he can't break through Djokovic's aura and confidence.Whatever he throws at Novak, the Serb keeps on coming after him :D
i do worry about sasha... somewhat,,, with his game,, he should have won 3-4 majors by now,,,, but he lost them all. and showed mental breakdown in tough points of the match. he may need to hire Ivan Lendl as coach
Exactly. Net play and mental coach. The strange part is that I see the aggression, the spirit. The longer he is seamless the worse his mental game can become. Also his winning streak ended and he won't be a golden boy anymore! They promoted him A LOT during the USO. Probably hoping to find a next gen star with a bonus of good looks.
 

basil J

Hall of Fame
Let me tell you Sasha played his heart out. I was there last night, center court 1st row section 128 up in the first balcony. He was working hard every point. He was crushing the ball and Novak hung right with him. He was throwing in 136mph 2nd serves and they were coming back. Novak is just on a different level. His serve, in person is so impressive, you just can't even compare to watching on television. They left it out there and the better player won. Sasha will have his day for sure. He has a beautiful game, solid mechanics and if he stays hungry he will will one.
 

D.Nalby12

G.O.A.T.
Someone with consistent firepower off both wings could only beat Djokovic. Like Thiem and Wawrinka. Zverev failed. Medvedev too will fail. Thiem should come back strong and stop Djoker. Otherwise it's getting ridiculous - could win 5/6 Slams in a row.
 

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
Read again
Red the fine print
Read carefully
You might find something like "early in their career"
So these young guys get criticized regardless of what they do .
They lose and don’t cry and get criticized for being complacent and not caring enough.
They lose and cry and get criticized for being emotionally vulnerable.
 

Sunny014

Legend
So these young guys get criticized regardless of what they do .
They lose and don’t cry and get criticized for being complacent and not caring enough.
They lose and cry and get criticized for being emotionally vulnerable.
When they lose they are not supposed to come to the press conference to praise Novak's masters/weeks at 1 type stuffs, that is irrelevant to them.
They are supposed to come to the press conference all angry on how they missed a chance, they should say that next time they will do better and they should do better by learning from mistakes, that is what ATGs do.

So Sascha saying Novak is GOAT, weeks at 1, masters etc etc is like Novak eating his share of the pie and he being ok with it, that is quite bad for sascha himself

A killer attitude is needed.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
When they lose they are not supposed to come to the press conference to praise Novak's masters/weeks at 1 type stuffs, that is irrelevant to them.
They are supposed to come to the press conference all angry on how they missed a chance, they should say that next time they will do better and they should do better by learning from mistakes, that is what ATGs do.

So Sascha saying Novak is GOAT, weeks at 1, masters etc etc is like Novak eating his share of the pie and he being ok with it, that is quite bad for sascha himself

A killer attitude is needed.
Z is just saying it the way it is. No two ways about it. The players see Djoko as the best.
 

Sunny014

Legend
Z is just saying it the way it is. No two ways about it. The players see Djoko as the best.
Why should he say that? Is he a submissive fellow???

You can call Novak GOAT, I can maybe can call him GOAT or Fed GOAT, but Sascha is not like us !

He should not call Novak or Fed GOAT at least after losing, a competitor never openly praises his opponent by counting masters, weeks and such things, because he himself should have ambitions of his own, he should not have excuses like ohh that person is so great.... that is not self belief, self belief is that " I am younger, I am faster, I am stronger, I believe my skills, I can beat this old master because now is my time, his time has passed " ..... This is what a RULER thinks

Novak even in his early years normally called Federer as Greatest ever once or twice, even Rafa, I have never seen them drool over his 16-17 slams, his weeks at 1, his 5 straight wimbledons, 5 straight USO types ..... even in 2010-2011 you wont find them say that, because themselves had ambitions of their own .... that is the mentality of a champion
 

Omega_7000

Legend
When they lose they are not supposed to come to the press conference to praise Novak's masters/weeks at 1 type stuffs, that is irrelevant to them.
They are supposed to come to the press conference all angry on how they missed a chance, they should say that next time they will do better and they should do better by learning from mistakes, that is what ATGs do.

So Sascha saying Novak is GOAT, weeks at 1, masters etc etc is like Novak eating his share of the pie and he being ok with it, that is quite bad for sascha himself

A killer attitude is needed.
Like Djokovic saying he was in control of the match when he lost in straight sets against Nadal

Also like Djokovic saying he thinks Nadal is beatable

But yeah 100% agreed. These guys look so happy and content for the most part just to be in the finals
 

Sunny014

Legend
Like Djokovic saying he was in control of the match when he lost in straight sets against Nadal
YES

Novak said that in 2006 but that is his confidence in his skill, he did beat Nadal twice at FO, yes maybe that was not peak Nadal but he did win somehow.

So that attitude is needed, I have never seen any competitor in any field praise their other counterpart by calling GOAT or superior type words, because that would be an insult to their own skill.
 

liriel

Semi-Pro
Let me tell you Sasha played his heart out. I was there last night, center court 1st row section 128 up in the first balcony. He was working hard every point. He was crushing the ball and Novak hung right with him. He was throwing in 136mph 2nd serves and they were coming back. Novak is just on a different level. His serve, in person is so impressive, you just can't even compare to watching on television. They left it out there and the better player won. Sasha will have his day for sure. He has a beautiful game, solid mechanics and if he stays hungry he will will one.
Lucky you to see it in person!
Novak won Wimbledon being subpar. I feel like Zverev might be frustrated because he tried so hard and failed. You just know you can't beat Novak at slams. All the pressure didn't help. We'll see how it impacts him mentally because he had ups and downs. Tokyo gave him confidence but it's gone.
A great match to see for sure!
 
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