Cumulative stats - Murray [1] vs. Wawrinka [3] - FO 2017 SF

falstaff78

Hall of Fame
Here are cumulative stats for Murray and Wawrinka through the first 5 rounds of the French Open.

Overall Murray has played better vs. stronger opposition....

...BUT Stan has an uncanny ability to raise his game for the most important matches, and if he catches fire, good luck. Take a look at the leadups to his 3 major final victories. Each time he turned the stats completely upside down.

% points won from R128 through SF
AO 2014 - Stan 53% Nadal 56%
FO 2015 - Stan 55% Djokovic 57%
USO 2016 - Stan 54% Djokovic 58%

So having said that, here are the stats. I fully expect Stan to make a mockery of these numbers and romp home vs. Murray tomorrow in 4 brutal sets



 
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Logic

Semi-Pro
Interesting to note that Murray has more winners and less UEs.
such pusher, mein Gott
Yes, but Murray has also played more points than Wawrinka. If we look at the ratio of winners per point played for each guy we get:

Murray - 174/1032 = 16.86%
Wawrinka - 166/943 = 17.60%

So, as one might have expected, Andy is indeed the less aggressive player. Unsurprisingly, therefore, a similar calculation shows that he has fewer unforced errors per point than Stan.
 

Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
Yes, but Murray has also played more points than Wawrinka. If we look at the ratio of winners per point played for each guy we get:

Murray - 174/1032 = 16.86%
Wawrinka - 166/943 = 17.60%

So, as one might have expected, Andy is indeed the less aggressive player. Unsurprisingly, therefore, a similar calculation shows that he has fewer unforced errors per point than Stan.
naturally, but doesn't really change the point underlying my sarc.

would be rather tenuous indeed to think that hitting winners on 16.86% of points is pushing and 17.60% is aggressive shotmaking. Some stereotypes tend to get blown up a bit in this place. Murray's distribution of points by rally-length versus how people think his distribution is tend to show a similar thing (i.e., the majority of his points are very short, and he relies a lot on that rally category)
 

Logic

Semi-Pro
naturally, but doesn't really change the point underlying my sarc.

would be rather tenuous indeed to think that hitting winners on 16.86% of points is pushing and 17.60% is aggressive shotmaking.
Some stereotypes tend to get blown up a bit in this place. Murray's distribution of points by rally-length versus how people think his distribution is tend to show a similar thing (i.e., the majority of his points are very short, and he relies a lot on that rally category)
Fair enough, especially the emboldened. I think the general impression which some people get is that Andy often doesn't look like he is trying to take an offensive approach, whereas Stan does look like he is try to do so, even if statistically their success at being aggressive isn't too dissimilar. However, since tennis, like all professional sports, fundamentally exists to entertain the viewer, it makes sense that people will criticise Andy even for just appearing to be more defensive, if that is what they find less exciting.
 
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