Curious’ match/practice videos

[liimey86]

YES. I spent 4.5 years trying to find my forehand. Haven't changed it the last 3.5 years. So happy with it for the last 3.5 years despite needing 4.5 years to find it. I am all about 'right and wrong', 'yes and no' with regards to tennis technique then keeping it once perfection is reached then theorizing it in print. Or sometimes theory produces the output.

Not sure if this is related to your post, but I'm finding with forehand (only been using my current technique for about 2 years), it's hard to separate evaluating my stroke mechanic vs. the overlapping, ongoing project to estimate & make good spacing and timing for each incoming ball.

Maybe that confounding simplifies with more years of playing.

 

[user92626]

YES. I spent 4.5 years trying to find my forehand. Haven't changed it the last 3.5 years. So happy with it for the last 3.5 years and counting despite needing 4.5 years to find it. I am all about 'right and wrong', 'yes and no' with regards to tennis technique then keeping it once perfection is reached then theorizing it in print. Or sometimes theory produces the output.

sO In the last 3.5 years you only drilled your FH to make it more familiar? No more changes?

 

[user92626]

Not sure if this is related to your post, but I'm finding with forehand (only been using my current technique for about 2 years), it's hard to separate evaluating my stroke mechanic vs. the overlapping, ongoing project to estimate & make good spacing and timing for each incoming ball.

Maybe that confounding simplifies with more years of playing.

" estimate & make good spacing and timing for each incoming ball."

I think that's the receiving skill, unrelated to the stroke mechanic.

 

[zill]

sO In the last 3.5 years you only drilled your FH to make it more familiar? No more changes?

correct.

 

[user92626]

correct.

How long has it been since you last hit tennis with Curious?

 

[zill]

How long has it been since you last hit tennis with Curious?

Just over a year ago.

 

[user92626]

Just over a year ago.

You know why I asked that?

To get a better picture on how recent and how much you know about Curious tennis.

Curious does changes over time. Techniques and I guess the physical too.

 

[zill]

You know why I asked that?

To get a better picture on how recent and how much you know about Curious tennis.

Curious does changes over time. Techniques and I guess the physical too.

Yes but I have improved other parts of my game as well over this time.

 

[Curious]

what’s wrong with the forum? It’s so quiet. I’m starting to feel withdrawal symptoms!
I’d better stir it up a bit.
Federer and Sinner forehands are almost identical!

 

[ballmachineguy]

what’s wrong with the forum? It’s so quiet. I’m starting to feel withdrawal symptoms!
I’d better stir it up a bit.
Federer and Sinner forehands are almost identical!

Your best post ever!! Def most accurate. Yes they are almost identical. Almost all are. You’ve been played the fool by YouBoob instructors.

 

[zill]

what’s wrong with the forum? It’s so quiet. I’m starting to feel withdrawal symptoms!
I’d better stir it up a bit.
Federer and Sinner forehands are almost identical!

Your best post ever!! Def most accurate. Yes they are almost identical. Almost all are. You’ve been played the fool by YouBoob instructors.

Well I am telling you I don't intend to invert and have no feeling of inversion.

And I dream of hitting a forehand like this...

And my teammates say my fh resemble Sinner's, even C himself have said that!

 

[Curious]

Look at the point where the player starts his forward swing.
Is the forearm pronated, supinated or neutral? That’s the whole point.

 

[liimey86]

what’s wrong with the forum? It’s so quiet. I’m starting to feel withdrawal symptoms!

Is it because @zill solved tennis?

 

[zill]

Is it because @zill solved tennis?

No, this thread is about @Curious and new (circular) things will always come up for him...

 

[ballmachineguy]

And my teammates say my fh resemble Sinner's, even C himself have said that!

There’s only one way to skin a cat and that is to take off the skin. Once the racket is flipped/wrist extension has happened the body brings the racket arm to the ball with shoulder/torso rotation. One fixed unit to contact. That is why you chose the grip and arm configuration you employ.

 

[user92626]

what’s wrong with the forum? It’s so quiet. I’m starting to feel withdrawal symptoms!

Well, I did suggest that TT would be ded without @10sbeast888 or you.

BMG is too much a weak sauce.

Post in thread 'the kinetic chain starts from the hand'

May 13, 2026

in the sprit of not polluting the 'good videos'.

I like your poasting sprit... I mean... spirit.

I sometimes wonder what TT would be like without you and Curious.

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[user92626]

There’s only one way to skin a cat and that is to take off the skin.

what is it with you and cat abuse ?

 

[user92626]

Once the racket is flipped/wrist extension has happened the body brings the racket arm to the ball with shoulder/torso rotation. One fixed unit to contact. That is why you chose the grip and arm configuration you employ.

Serious question, mister BMG

How else do players do it? Anyone do it differently, you know?

 

[10sbeast888]

Well, I did suggest that TT would be ded without @10sbeast888 or you.

BMG is too much a weak sauce.

Post in thread 'the kinetic chain starts from the hand'

May 13, 2026

in the sprit of not polluting the 'good videos'.

I like your poasting sprit... I mean... spirit.

I sometimes wonder what TT would be like without you and Curious.

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all human driven forums in general are probably facing the same problem. LLM's have much bigger context window and inference ability than the average human.. nowadays most of my exchanges are with ChatGPT/Gemini/Claude, depending on the usage.

the interactions with humans is simply lower quality, and the gap is growing..... besides the people you have emotional connections with.

 

[liimey86]

LLM's have much bigger context window and inference ability than the average human.. nowadays most of my exchanges are with ChatGPT/Gemini/Claude, depending on the usage.

.. and the gap is growing..... besides the people you have emotional connections with.

It will be interesting to see how this aspect of LLMs (or other future AI architectures) impacts us socially over the next decade.

 

[10sbeast888]

It will be interesting to see how this aspect of LLMs (or other future AI architectures) impacts us socially over the next decade.

I've barely used them myself to date, but yesterday I was curious and simply asked ChatGPT, "why does frank kill john?". It knew the reference I meant immediately and the conversation that followed was surprisingly engaging. Was the time spent in that conversation a waste of time? I could have been posting here, about how the volley is like a crossbow or something.

'next decade'.

according to my sources from start ups and frontier labs in SF, the world is ending in 2 years.

most people have no clue, and cannot think exponential.

 

[liimey86]

'next decade'.
according to my sources from start ups and frontier labs in SF, the world is ending in 2 years.
most people have no clue, and cannot think exponential.

Where 10 years is going to be N^5 not Nx5? You really think it's the latter for LLMs?

 

[Rosstour]

what’s wrong with the forum? It’s so quiet. I’m starting to feel withdrawal symptoms!
I’d better stir it up a bit.
Federer and Sinner forehands are almost identical!

Watching you debate a man deep in delusions of grandeur has been stultifying

I am basically operating at a higher level to all of you guys.

Well, I am so far advanced that probably combined even.



Yes tennis technique. I wish I can claim about other things, but no cannot sadly for me.

You and everyone here have no idea about technique. No one here does.

You sound detached from reality and it isn’t funny anymore. I’m not even laughing at you now.

Seriously, Sinner’s forehand? Yeah, the resemblance is uncanny…

 

[zill]

You sound detached from reality and it isn’t funny anymore. I’m not even laughing at you now.

Yes, that is how good I am.

Seriously, Sinner’s forehand? Yeah, the resemblance is uncanny…

I never thought that, other did.

 

[zill]

Seriously, Sinner’s forehand? Yeah, the resemblance is uncanny…

Well I am telling you I don't intend to invert and have no feeling of inversion.

And I dream of hitting a forehand like this...

 

[zill]

Seriously, Sinner’s forehand? Yeah, the resemblance is uncanny…

even C himself have said that!

Your fh is full Sinner! You know that, right?

 

[Curious]

Fundamentally the same. Of course there are differences like your straight arm, lack of coil and take back(of the hitting hand).
But low take back and the extreme inversion the same.

 

[zill]

Fundamentally the same. Of course there are differences like your straight arm, lack of coil and take back(of the hitting hand).
But low take back and the extreme inversion the same.

Again, I don't actually have a straight arm at contact (though I wish I did as many great forehands seem to have that). It's not very bent but not straight.

Play in slow-mo and see for yourself.


My coil is full and I am very compact which may look like I am not fully coiling, but my power is undoubtful, even with a compromised knee the last 6 years.

 

[Curious]

Again, I don't actually have a straight arm at contact (though I wish I did as many great forehands seem to have that). It's not very bent but not straight.

Play in slow-mo and see for yourself.


My coil is full and I am very compact which may look like I am not fully coiling, but my power is undoubtful, even with a compromised knee the last 6 years.

There’s something wrong with that flip. It’s extremely limited. Don’t know how I missed that before @GrandSlammer pointed out. And no, it’s not about your ‘defective wrist’, whatever that means.

 

[liimey86]

There’s something wrong with that flip. It’s extremely limited. Don’t know how I missed that before @GrandSlammer pointed out. And no, it’s not about your ‘defective wrist’, whatever that means.

At least from this front perspective visual, it looks like he's firming his wrist either before or right before forward motion starts?

 

[Curious]

At least from this front perspective visual, it looks like he's firming his wrist either before or right before forward motion starts?

I’m sure tense wrist is a factor but there are other things, specifically his limited coil and “too” compact take back. That’s why his fh looks so full of effort!

 

[Curious]

This may help you understand why your fh is so effortful.

https://imgur.com/a/e6GnHUq

https://imgur.com/a/04lu4Rm

 

[Rosstour]

This may help you understand why your fh is so effortful.

https://imgur.com/a/e6GnHUq

https://imgur.com/a/04lu4Rm

That’s also why he jerks his head up so violently at contact

 

[Curious]

That’s also why he jerks his head up so violently at contact

He’s trying to make an A380 take off on a 200m runway

 

[Rosstour]

He’s trying to make an A380 take off on a 200m runway

It’s a compensation movement, like my one-legged Kung Fun hops

 

[10sbeast888]

the root cause is the 'ground upping'... see the other thread of someone's discussion with Claude.

the sudden jerk is just the tennis computer realizing that there is no time for the torque to transfer to the hand, and the core has to stiffen so the shoulders can get going.

the fix should be simple.

 

[10sbeast888]

btw - let's be realistic... recs cannot remotely hold a candle to the pros.

been involved in pro competition for the past 7 years. the gap is like the grand canyon.

 

[user92626]

But low take back and the extreme inversion the same.

https://imgur.com/a/e6GnHUq

https://imgur.com/a/04lu4Rm

Oh gosh ... Sinner's takeback is low? and @zill 's inversion is extreme ?

Mr Magoo, you're reaching ...

 

[Curious]

Oh gosh ... Sinner's takeback is low? and @zill 's inversion is extreme ?

Mr Magoo, you're reaching ...

It’s quite a straight take back, not making a big loop.
Yes, zill reduced his inversion recently.

 

[Curious]

See how much and how linearly he extends the arm back. That gives him a very long runway.

 

[user92626]

It’s quite a straight take back, not making a big loop.
Yes, zill reduced his inversion recently.

the way you posted those two posts ... I thought you were mocking zill actually ... Like "yeah right. You really look like Sinner!!!!!!!!!! ..."

 

[Curious]

the way you posted those two posts ... I thought you were mocking zill actually ... Like "yeah right. You really look like Sinner!!!!!!!!!! ..."

No, I was pointing out the huge difference in their runways.

 

[zill]

There’s something wrong with that flip. It’s extremely limited. Don’t know how I missed that before @GrandSlammer pointed out. And no, it’s not about your ‘defective wrist’, whatever that means.

This may help you understand why your fh is so effortful.

https://imgur.com/a/e6GnHUq

https://imgur.com/a/04lu4Rm

No its due to my compactness.

 

[zill]

I’m sure tense wrist is a factor but there are other things, specifically his limited coil and “too” compact take back. That’s why his fh looks so full of effort!

Funny, before I looked into Fognini's forehand I use to think he had limited coil as well. How wrong I was.

 

[zill]

That’s also why he jerks his head up so violently at contact

NO.

 

[user92626]

No its due to my compactness.

Go ahead and ask them if they got a problem with your compactness.

 

[zill]

See how much and how linearly he extends the arm back. That gives him a very long runway.

I am more compact. Most compact forehand with genuine inversion you will see.

 

[zill]

No, I was pointing out the huge difference in their runways.

I am more compact. Most compact forehand with genuine inversion you will see.

 

[zill]

Go ahead and ask them if they got a problem with your compactness.

I don't care. I am compact for all my shots. The End.

Why so stubborn with my compactness? Because I generate maximum control and power with it.

 

[user92626]

That’s also why he jerks his head up so violently at contact

NO.

I actually agree with zill here that he doesn't jerk his head violently at contact. You can't be consistent if you jerk your head and zill is very consistent.

(It's quite comical, ie off, how people perceive or rationalize things ... )