What type/brand of stripper did you use? I tried a generic from the hobbystore once on a racquet and it didnt work that well, even with several hours of work.
It wouldn't be exact, but you could tape up the handle about the same as before, remove the tape, and then weigh the tape by itself.
Awesome! Not surprised it was that low of weight knowing that it was just masking tape. If it were other materials, it could have worked out to be more. At least we found where 4 of those grams wentRecreating the wrapping of handle with masking tape to figure out how much (roughly, won't be exact) the masking tape could have weighed when I repainted the racquet.
- Relating to point 3, the racquet weight without the masking tape would have been (roughly) 294 grams (298-4).
- Hence, relating to point 7, weight loss resulting from loss of paint, was (roughly) 26 grams (294-268).
Awesome! Not surprised it was that low of weight knowing that it was just masking tape. If it were other materials, it could have worked out to be more. At least we found where 4 of those grams went [emoji14]
On that note, I'd wager that the thickness of the paint overall now is quite a bit less than what you had removed. If you're doing thin coats, it might take double or triple what you used. That'd be a huge time sink just for a paint job.
Yea it is quite a lot. Only do it if you can really afford to mess around with the racquet. I got 2. So if i'm up to the point where i can no longer play with the replainted one, i will just play with the other one, and hang the repainted one on the wall [emoji14].@jgun 26 grams is still pretty sizeable, bit less than 10%. This is part of what makes me curious to try it with the PS90. You go from 350ish down to 320ish and then put weight where you want while having a relatively low static weight.
Well I have a bunch of spare bumpers for a 90, but I only have the one 2014 90 left. So if I can find some cheap 2nd hand 90's that aren't damaged it makes for a fun side project.Yea it is quite a lot. Only do it if you can really afford to mess around with the racquet. I got 2. So if i'm up to the point where i can no longer play with the replainted one, i will just play with the other one, and hang the repainted one on the wall [emoji14].
Hopefully you can find one [emoji2] [emoji106]Well I have a bunch of spare bumpers for a 90, but I only have the one 2014 90 left. So if I can find some cheap 2nd hand 90's that aren't damaged it makes for a fun side project.
Cool, thanks for the tipWhy not? Give it a try!When spraying the paint perhaps it is better to do it somewhere not too open. You don't want the dust or other small particle to stick to the paint when it is drying. I did it in my garage, with garage door open but not too wide, just enough to give air circulation.
No worries at all [emoji2] [emoji106] . All the best!Cool, thanks for the tipWith the housing market in the UK as it is, it's looking a long time away for me!
Thank you WarrenMP. Yes mine is quite simple [emoji3]. I'm very sure some of the guys here have done it much much better and with more sophisticated paint job than mine [emoji2].I am going to try this one day. Looks cool with and simple with how you went about painting.
I know. The hard part is sitting down to do it. I know once I customize my racquet, I will have people asking me to do it. Here is a question. How much would you charge?Thank you WarrenMP. Yes mine is quite simple [emoji3]. I'm very sure some of the guys here have done it much much better and with more sophisticated paint job than mine [emoji2].
I know. The hard part is sitting down to do it. I know once I customize my racquet, I will have people asking me to do it. Here is a question. How much would you charge?
Here in germany we have a professional tuning company, who charges 95 euro for an all black painting.
The prices seem to start at 95 €, I guess more complicated PJs will cost more.
All this paint weight leads to one interesting conclusion... Slight differences in the paint can lead to huge variances in specs (QC problems of big brands anyone?).
Teachingprotx, i was still in my pretty early teenage years back in the 90's and didn't know anything about tennis [emoji1]. The only tennis memory that i have from those years was my dad playing tennis almost everyday lol... and i still remember he said how big of a fan he was of pete sampras [emoji16] .. nothing else.. certainly not any knowledge of any racquet lol... but somehow i wasn't really interested in tennis back then. It was until early year 2000 then i suddenly got hooked. Boy i like it so much i said to myself i would play this sport til the day i die hahahaha... and wished i had started a lot earlier!Haha yeah it's fun dressing sticks up in different costumes for conversation
It's amazing how you can black out almost anything and put a stencil on it and it totally seems to be that stenciled brand.....
The first time I remember ever noticing crazy "was back in my childhood . Late 80's maybe early 90,s when Navratilova was playing a Dunlop max 200 G
W/ a red yonex stencil.. Which states my age don't know if your old enuff to remember that but it was pretty radical due to the fact that back then yonex'shead a severely noticeable narrow rectNgulR shape the complete opposite of the 200g..
There's many others but that one really sticks out in my mind ...
I remember feeling intellectually dumbed down, but now I look back with utter fondness![]()
The Wilson models I used for this experiment / silly fun project
Is a rare pro staff 26 junior 6.1 classic
I've only found 3 over the last 10 years .... If I could find more I'd buy them now...strange enough I've
Actually cut down even more to 25.5 . Can't really notice it due to the longer handle on the white striped one.....
Great fun hitting sticks I switch around rackets quite frequently due to A.D.D ....
But these are my babies....and they turn out really cool when sanded down to what looks like a marble finish...
And brings down the weight...and I don't use grommets which help even more, for me.....it plays like a rubber racket. It flexes like none other racket I've ever hit with ... And I've hit with all the rumored flexiest rackets ever produced..
I'd say my Donnay wooden flex pro is stiffer in feel than these wilsons...
But I digress. Told ya i had attention problems
The black thing you ask is a rubber Babolat band that comes stock on most of their frames to finish ' the top part of the handle where the finishing tape is ..
It's too thick on mine I agree with you ..
Hope this helps..
Cool thanks very much for the info teachingprotx. Much appreciated[emoji2]!Oh and all that stuff I mentioned above adds no weight..
Barring you don't wrap it entirely in head tape !
Anyone ever tried a line-x paint job for a racket? Its black and supposed to be like bullet proof
I saw the video. They covered an egg with it, dropped the egg and the egg didn't break! Not good for tennis players who like to break their racquets
I wonder how stiff it would make your racquet![]()
Surion I was also really shocked that the original paint weighs 30 gr... and the 2xprimer and 3xpaint only weighs 1 gr
... it puzzles me too.
All this paint weight leads to one interesting conclusion... Slight differences in the paint can lead to huge variances in specs (QC problems of big brands anyone?).
Must be that paint is really cheap compared to graphite sheets in layup. So paint might be actually a manufacturers' way to build up weight.
Not sure if I can agree with the analysis here... Can anybody think of a brand which would qualify as having little paint and thus more graphite? As long as we do not know what would qualify as a lot of graphite (and the effects of that) we're doing guesswork at best.
Would you be willing to share some insight given your expertise @Racketdesign ? In case it isn't clear, the question is to which degree more graphite changes playability, especially relative to weight through heavier paint coatings, and if there is such a thing as too much (or even too little) paint.
White paint is heavier per Wilson.Surion I was also really shocked that the original paint weighs 30 gr... and the 2xprimer and 3xpaint only weighs 1 gr
... it puzzles me too.
I like the black better too, because I used to play with PS85. Always love the simplicity of it. Hence i did this project.
But trust me.. had i known it was going to be this hard, i wouldn't have started it in the first place. I was already half way, so i just had to finish it. I'm just glad it all came together okay.
better with a RF97!Nice job but you are almost done, I would suggest adding a nice letter. Addressed it to Federer. Tell him it was designed by you for him..
I second the question.
(Let me just clarify that for "graphite" I meant any kind of material used in the layup, be it graphite, kevlar, graphene, etc.
I don't think paint have any kind of special mechanical behaviour, and assume it just adds weight uniformly.)
And it would also be interesting to shave off one of those pro pt57 and see if they wear 30gr of paint too or they play with a 13oz stick of "graphite" +1 gram of paint job... that would really explain the a-lot-discussed difference between pro and retail, or between 1990 and 2015...
There are some brands (fi Yonex) often pointed for the supposedly better "quality" of their material - a statement which sounds weird to my ears. Maybe it's just they make "material fuller" less painted racquets...
I think a test between few 310+ grams sticks would be a very cool comparison to read. Also it would be nice to shave off a 290 and a 310+ model of the same line and see if the underlying base is the very same specs-wise.
This thread is quite revealing.
Hope @Racketdesign or others can give some documented insight...
Hi guys,
It has been a few weeks since I finished the PJ and I had a chance to have a hit with the racquet quite a number of times.
So, i thought i'm going to give some update on the racquet. So here we go:
1. How the new paint holds up so far.
- I have restrung the racquet twice now and not a single problem. Paint held up well. I can strongly believe now that future restringing jobs will not affect it at all. So all good here from restringing point of view I believe (or I'd love to believe
).
- I don't know if temperature could make a difference but I thought I just state that it is winter here in Melbourne, Australia. Temperature is around 5-15 degrees Celsius average on most days. I played with it during day and night several times, and there is no problem whatsoever. It is exactly the same as it was when I finished the PJ. Summer is still a few months away. It is interesting to see how the paint will hold in the hot temperature.
2. Racquet feel (this is a very interesting point!)
- However, so far so good as far as I can see, so I can say, again, that I am really happy with the new paint
.
- Some background work on the racquet with regards to weight and balance, before I explain the racquet feel:
Since the racquet was very light, with strung weight of only 309gr, I decided to put some lead tapes on it. However, i didn't try to get it back to the original balance. I wanted some change. Also because I am a bit afraid that the lead tape would damage the paint if I put it on the frame. So, I put the lead tape underneath the top grommet, as much as 24gr, thus bumped up the weight to 333gr. The racquet is now almost evenly balanced.
- I have 4 racquets to compare on how it feels to play with:
- Repainted PS95 ("this racquet")
- PS95 (the other one that I showed in the pic in my original post)
- Chinese PS85
- St. Vincent PS85
- All those 4 racquets above, I strung them all on the same day, with same strings (Alu Rough (M) and Kirschbaum syngut (C)), same tension 45lbs on all. I also used the same Wilson overgrips on all 4.
- And now to how the racquet feels (I did the comparison of all 4 racquets in 2 different occasions, just to make sure I got consistent feedback, and in both cases the result was the same)
But before we go to that, let me just say that I can only share my own personal thought (though it could be wrong) and experience. Other people might have different experience though using the same racquet. So, with that in mind, this is what I think of this racquet:
- Interesting enough, to me it has way more feel than the PS95. I think it just feels more flexible. I can actually feel the ball more when I hit. I can feel the feedback from the contact. And I'm not the type of player that is sensitive to small changes in racquet. But in this instance, I can tell! There is a big difference in racquet feel. With PS95, I don't feel anything when I hit with it, like there is no feedback (feels stiff compared to this racquet).
- And, it feels similar to St. Vincent PS85, but almost exactly the same as the Chinese PS85. I love playing with PS85 (mostly Chinese version because I keep the st. Vincent one at home as collectible
) because it has really good feel to it. But due to it being so heavy for me now I changed to lighter racquets. But this racquet now has brought back the feel that I had with the PS85. I didn't expect this at all.
- Now, since I used this racquet, I don't think I am going to use the PS95 anymore
. This racquet is like the best compromise of having a lighter racquet in PS95, but at the same having the similar feel of PS85.
- I know the balance is different with the 24gr worth of lead up the top, but I have played with it a few times and I really don't mind. I can manage it alright
. Actually this way the swingweight (between this racquet and the PS85) feels kinda similar I guess. I could be wrong though but the swing just feels good.
That's all I have to share
- Now it actually brings up a really interesting question: so does the original paint (its material and the amount thereof) the manufacturer puts on the PS95 racquet make it feel stiff? I'm not confident to make this call. I can only suspect so. And at the same time, I don't think my 2 layers of spray primer and 3 layers of spray paint make a considerable difference to the racquet feel.
. Have fun and have a good day, folks!
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