Cyclone vs Cyclone Tour

cryan87

Rookie
How different are they? Just a difference in softness with the tour? Completely different feel?

I really like the Cyclone Tour, but have never actually used Cyclone. At a dollar cheaper (and more color options) im curious but with how easy Tour has been on my arm I'm afraid to mess with anything (if it ain't broke don't fix it?)
 

Kalin

Legend
How different are they? Just a difference in softness with the tour? Completely different feel?

I really like the Cyclone Tour, but have never actually used Cyclone. At a dollar cheaper (and more color options) im curious but with how easy Tour has been on my arm I'm afraid to mess with anything (if it ain't broke don't fix it?)
Disclaimer: it's been a while I've used both and I didn't use them for that long so more recent/regular users may disagree. I play at a low 4.0 level.

They're both very good strings, especially for the price, but I did find differences. The Tour is more powerful, seemed to have a higher launch angle and is indeed soft but still one can feel a somewhat metallic ping (not as arm pain but just as a feedback).

The regular Cyclone (I've only tried black) is more muted and less powerful. It also feels soft but since it's less powerful you may have to end up swinging harder. I did find it more muted and less plasticky so I guess I preferred the feel of the regular Cyclone; I felt I could always swing out with it and get some great spin with the ball staying in. But again, the Tour clearly provided more power.

Also, I tried them both on an extended Yonex RDS002 Tour which is actually quite a powerful stick with a somewhat pronounced catapult effect; hence I preferred the tameness of the regular Cyclone. On a less powerful stick the Tour's extra power will probably be much more welcome.

But in the end, lots of people love the Tour so if it works for you, great. I gave three sets to a friend and he absolutely loves it on an old Babolat Pure Storm Tour; he's a big hitter too. And just to throw a wrench in your thought process- I also tried Volkl V-Torque (blue) and I thought it was the best of all worlds :) Spin, power, softness, durability. You may look to try that one instead ;)
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
I like the feel and relative softness of Cyclone Tour but 'regular' Cyclone holds tension much better; V-Torque has dramatic tension loss and peels longitudinally.
 

CopolyX

Hall of Fame
Cyclone yep is a very popular stiffer, dead feeling copoly.
Tour more pop, yes softer, softer > normally will lose tension a bit faster.
Bottom-line you have to use to know the diff.
If you like the tour....why drift...unless you have to the time, extra frame and cash to play with another setup.
Me, on the subjective side - both are not for me...
 

cryan87

Rookie
Thanks, all. I think I'll stick with the Tour for the time being. "Stiff" and "dead" are adjectives I've used to describe polys I liked significantly less in the past. Maybe the tour is the right mix/feel for me at this point.
 

Traffic

Hall of Fame
My only experience with Cyclone and Cyclone Tour is in a hybrid with OGSM in the crosses.
I liked Cyclone and it's predictable hitting. Cyclone Tour, while softer, was like a jekyl and hide depending on whether you hit it right in the sweet spot or misshit it just a touch. As it lost tension, it became a rocket launcher.

Now, it may play differently in full bed. But that's what I've experienced and so I'm seeking comfortable spin and control in a different form.
 

MarcusInKensington

Hall of Fame
I've tried both, and liked both. However, there are many other strings that I prefer. Both very spinny, pretty comfortable. Tour is significantly more powerful, and doesn't keep tension anywhere near as long.

I've got a pack of each left, and this thread has tempted me to experiment... cyclone tour mains and cyclone crosses, then vice versa in another stick.
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
I put Yonex PTP in the crosses to mitigate the tension loss in the Tour mains, and to allow more snap back, as the PTP is round; PTP x's worked pretty well with Tour Bite mains also, but I need to use the softer polys these days.:(
 

Karma Tennis

Hall of Fame
IMO, Cyclone is a great "workhorse" string. It can be used in a range of configurations and hybrids and eventually you would find the ideal setup with it.

Keep in mind that standard Cyclone comes in different colours and the different colours give the string slightly different properties.

Cyclone performance really depends on the frame it is strung it. Personally, I think the 16g works well in smaller headed flexible frames and the thinner gauges work well in stiffer frames with more open string patterns.

I've experimented quite a bit with it and for me it is probably most versatile strung in the mains with a slightly softer round poly string of the same gauge or thinner one.

Saying all this, there are some excellent better value for money alternatives to Cyclone if you are prepared to re-string more frequently. Some of the poly strings from Pros Pro are definately worthy of a look.
 

mikeler

Moderator
I've used both strings extensively and agree with the descriptions others have noted above. I started out with Cyclone Tour but eventually switched to Cyclone the last few years.
 

Sardines

Professional
I started with Cyclone 18g, then went to CT18g then moved to Cyclone 19g, then now mix the 18L and 19g. I have reels of each.
With the CT18g, I found the power to be only slightly more than the Cyclone 18g and on par with the 18L/19g. Playability feel and spin, I like the 18L/19g Cyclones more, and they also tend to play better for a longer period. Basically I can play with the 18L/19g optimally for 2 sets of 5.5+ singles and 3-4 sets of doubles (this is a subjective feeling). With CT18g, I don't feel it plays as well after a set, due to the drop in tension. It required me to string it a few days before, wait for the tension to drop statically, then play with a stiffer string bed in warmup, then it hits the optimal tension but drops off after a set or so of strong 5.5+ singles or 2 sets of doubles.
Cyclones I much prefer strung fresh and on the court within 2-3 hrs. They do better with gut hybrids too. I tried to like the CT18g, but found the 18L/19g Cyclone to be better overall.
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
I like the feel and relative softness of Cyclone Tour but 'regular' Cyclone holds tension much better; V-Torque has dramatic tension loss and peels longitudinally.
Cyclone Tour 16g holds tension about 4X as long as Cyclone Tour 17g and about the same as Cyclone 16g IMO. Been using CT16g for 3.5 years and have bought dozens of reels for myself and a hoard of friends.

CT 17g is garbage for tension maintenance.

V-torque 16g snaps in a few sets.
 

DrWang

Rookie
In a nutshell, regular Cyclone is stiffer and a bit more durable than the Tour. They play almost the same imo. I used to think CT was more powerful, but it really isn't imo. It is softer, and depending on how many lbs you string it, will produce a different launch angle which many people mistakenly interpret as more power. So does it have more power? I think it depends on the player and how they generate that power as well as the racquet, etc. Another string that is very similar to this is Dunlop Black Widow.
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
Cyclone Tour 16g holds tension about 4X as long as Cyclone Tour 17g and about the same as Cyclone 16g IMO. Been using CT16g for 3.5 years and have bought dozens of reels for myself and a hoard of friends.

CT 17g is garbage for tension maintenance.

V-torque 16g snaps in a few sets.
Yep, I've been using 17g CT; gotta try me some 16g!!
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
Yep, I've been using 17g CT; gotta try me some 16g!!
17g CT is garbage IMO.

16g CT Is like a completely different string simply due to tension maintenance. When I told customer this, he thought he knew more about strings than the person stringing his frames. He orders a reel of 17g CT and when the tension goes away in 6 hours he wanted another free stringing. I told him: I told you to order 16g and specially told you not to order 17g string.

He asked me to string other customers frames with his 17g string and to use 16g on his frames [emoji870] There are a lot of clueless players out there. For anyone to ask me to do this is rather disturbing.

I have never seen one string in two different gauges react so differently.
 

Curious

Legend
17g CT is garbage IMO.

16g CT Is like a completely different string simply due to tension maintenance. When I told customer this, he thought he knew more about strings than the person stringing his frames. He orders a reel of 17g CT and when the tension goes away in 6 hours he wanted another free stringing. I told him: I told you to order 16g and specially told you not to order 17g string.

He asked me to string other customers frames with his 17g string and to use 16g on his frames [emoji870] There are a lot of clueless players out there. For anyone to ask me to do this is rather disturbing.

I have never seen one string in two different gauges react so differently.
In that case CT 18 would be even worse in terms of tension maintenance. Is that your experience?
 

Curious

Legend
By the way is it the stiffness rating of the string that determines its tension maintenance, ie the higher it is the better? But my experience with Lux 4G was not good at all.
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
In that case CT 18 would be even worse in terms of tension maintenance. Is that your experience?
I can't imagine how awful 18g CT would be. Perhaps someone who strings their own frames and uses it in an 18x20 and restrings every two days would enjoy it. If you gave me a reel, I would give you the



as I would toss the unused reel the garbage.


By the way is it the stiffness rating of the string that determines its tension maintenance, ie the higher it is the better? But my experience with Lux 4G was not good at all.
If 16G Lux 4G doesn't hold tension for you, 12G Cyclone Tour wouldn't work for you. Lux 4G has the best tension maintenance of any poly I know. It's stiff as a board and is night and day different from 16g Cyclone, Cyclone Tour, and V-Torque
 

Curious

Legend
I can't imagine how awful 18g CT would be. Perhaps someone who strings their own frames and uses it in an 18x20 and restrings every two days would enjoy it. If you gave me a reel, I would give you the



as I would toss the unused reel the garbage.




If 16G Lux 4G doesn't hold tension for you, 12G Cyclone Tour wouldn't work for you. Lux 4G has the best tension maintenance of any poly I know. It's stiff as a board and is night and day different from 16g Cyclone, Cyclone Tour, and V-Torque
Could it be due to the low tension I strung it, 35lb? CT 18 was strung at 38lb and seems to hold tension better, believe it or not.
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
Could it be due to the low tension I strung it, 35lb? CT 18 was strung at 38lb and seems to hold tension better, believe it or not.
Ok- your posts is confusing to me.

You wrote your experience with Lux 4G wasn't good, but state CT 18g holds tension at 35lbs.

I know Lux 4G comes in 15, 16, 16L and holds tension better than any poly I know. I hate it personally due to the boardlike/ stiff feeling, but that is what is supposed to be.

I string for mostly 4.0 and 4.5 guys and know what they want. I don't carry 18g polys or 17g mulits, as they don't work for my clientele and string to save people money not to profit by having them string more frequently. I have more clients than I want and I do not want any more. my clients are happy to wait for my service if am out of town and I get daily requests for stringing.
 

2ndServe

Hall of Fame
IMO, Cyclone is a great "workhorse" string. It can be used in a range of configurations and hybrids and eventually you would find the ideal setup with it.

Keep in mind that standard Cyclone comes in different colours and the different colours give the string slightly different properties.

Cyclone performance really depends on the frame it is strung it. Personally, I think the 16g works well in smaller headed flexible frames and the thinner gauges work well in stiffer frames with more open string patterns.

I've experimented quite a bit with it and for me it is probably most versatile strung in the mains with a slightly softer round poly string of the same gauge or thinner one.

Saying all this, there are some excellent better value for money alternatives to Cyclone if you are prepared to re-string more frequently. Some of the poly strings from Pros Pro are definately worthy of a look.
What pros pro have you mixed it with? I've tried vokl cyclone with pp blackout, blackforce, red devil
 

Karma Tennis

Hall of Fame
what guage and tension. I'm surprise BO in the mains worked out better I'll give it a try
BO 1.24 / VC 1.3
DT 36 (I don't use Ref Tensions, I go for a specific DT off the stringing machine)

Combo works really well. However, the more open the string pattern, the quicker the BO will notch and snap. Probably get about 3 hours of decent play out of this combo. More spin potential and control potential than VC full bed. Lower launch angle than BO full bed.
 

Injured Again

Hall of Fame
After having too many shear breaks of my preferred string, Silver 7 Tour, and also dealing again with a bit of wrist discomfort (TFCC), I decided to try a set of 1.20/18 gauge Cyclone Tour in my SW104. I strung it about 8% tighter than normal to offset the softness and expected greater tension loss.

I've so far had 2 1/2 hard hours of singles and another half hour of easy cooperative hitting with it. CT has a lot of pop and liveliness, more than S7T, and seems to deliver that ball speed in a slightly more linear way. Launch angle is a hair lower on most shots, and significantly lower with a sensation of much less grip on the ball when trying to hit heavy, looping topspin. Overall spin capability is lower, and my second serves don't have as much bounce to them, but have gained a couple of MPH so they still seem about as effective. I've also been able to bomb in some flat serves with speed I haven't seen in a couple of years.

Putaway groundstrokes feel much easier, as is punching firm volleys where CT also seems a bit less sensitive to incoming spin. The comfort is excellent, and my wrist isn't experiencing any lingering tenderness after playing. The sweetspot feels bigger and the racquet as a whole is more forgiving so my defense is better.

Tension loss hasn't been an issue. Maybe the 18x19 pattern helps hide the effects of that tension loss, but control feels no different after three hours as when it was fresh. There is a bit of notching but the strings are still returning to their place.

If it had a bit more bite on the ball, it would be a perfect string for me. As it is, I may be switching to this string anyway just for the comfort for my wrist, and how it seems to make my racquet play bigger. The putaway power is addictive.

I've tried regular Cyclone, V-Torque and V-Torque Tour, along with V-Square, and this so far seems to have the best combination of attributes. Now if Tennis Warehouse only had the 18 gauge in anthracite in a reel. Fortunately their current deal of $6.74 a pack is equal to the reel cost for me. So before I jump in whole hog, are there recommendations for any other strings to try that are similar to Cyclone Tour and available in a 1.20 gauge?
 

jugheadfla

Rookie
After having too many shear breaks of my preferred string, Silver 7 Tour, and also dealing again with a bit of wrist discomfort (TFCC), I decided to try a set of 1.20/18 gauge Cyclone Tour in my SW104. I strung it about 8% tighter than normal to offset the softness and expected greater tension loss.

I've so far had 2 1/2 hard hours of singles and another half hour of easy cooperative hitting with it. CT has a lot of pop and liveliness, more than S7T, and seems to deliver that ball speed in a slightly more linear way. Launch angle is a hair lower on most shots, and significantly lower with a sensation of much less grip on the ball when trying to hit heavy, looping topspin. Overall spin capability is lower, and my second serves don't have as much bounce to them, but have gained a couple of MPH so they still seem about as effective. I've also been able to bomb in some flat serves with speed I haven't seen in a couple of years.

Putaway groundstrokes feel much easier, as is punching firm volleys where CT also seems a bit less sensitive to incoming spin. The comfort is excellent, and my wrist isn't experiencing any lingering tenderness after playing. The sweetspot feels bigger and the racquet as a whole is more forgiving so my defense is better.

Tension loss hasn't been an issue. Maybe the 18x19 pattern helps hide the effects of that tension loss, but control feels no different after three hours as when it was fresh. There is a bit of notching but the strings are still returning to their place.

If it had a bit more bite on the ball, it would be a perfect string for me. As it is, I may be switching to this string anyway just for the comfort for my wrist, and how it seems to make my racquet play bigger. The putaway power is addictive.

I've tried regular Cyclone, V-Torque and V-Torque Tour, along with V-Square, and this so far seems to have the best combination of attributes. Now if Tennis Warehouse only had the 18 gauge in anthracite in a reel. Fortunately their current deal of $6.74 a pack is equal to the reel cost for me. So before I jump in whole hog, are there recommendations for any other strings to try that are similar to Cyclone Tour and available in a 1.20 gauge?
I know you mentioned in your post that you have tried regular Cyclone but to me if you want more bite I would go with Cyclone 18g, that is my go to string right now, so much so that I have bought 2 reels of it. To me it just has all of the perfect characteristics that you seem to be looking for and it doesn't bother my elbow or shoulder at 52lbs. Another string I would recommend that is similar to Cyclone 18g and to me seems to have a little more bite is Black Widow 18g. I believe Cyclone is a little more durable than BW, but BW will hold up for at least 2 to 3 sessions. Just for the heck of it this past week I tried Tour Bite 17g which is supposed to be the same width as Cyclone 18g and is supposed to have a similar stiffness rating. While I loved this string it just killed my elbow and shoulder so to me material makeup is far more important than just the stiffness rating.
 
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jackcrawford

Professional
I know you mentioned in your post that you have tried regular Cyclone but to me if you want more bite I would go with Cyclone 18g, that is my go to string right now, so much so that I have bought 2 reels of it. To me it just has all of the perfect characteristics that you seem to be looking for and it doesn't bother my elbow or shoulder at 52lbs. Another string I would recommend that is similar to Cyclone 18g and to me seems to have a little more bite is Black Widow 18g. I believe Cyclone is a little more durable than BW, but BW will hold up for at least 2 to 3 sessions. Just for the heck of it this past week I tried Tour Bite 17g which is supposed to be the same width as Cyclone 18g and is supposed to have a similar stiffness rating. While I loved this string it just killed my elbow and shoulder so to me material makeup is far more important than just the stiffness rating.
Which color of the Cyclone 18 do you prefer?
 

jugheadfla

Rookie
I have only ever tried black so that is all I can speak to. I would assume that the other colors may be a tad more livelier but probably not all that noticeable.
 

Injured Again

Hall of Fame
Just pulled out my racquet with the CT in it and the string surface in the sweetspot area is worn totally smooth, so now it's like playing with a thin round string. I didn't notice any big change in launch angle but maybe the tension loss has offset the wearing smooth of the string surface. And even though there is some notching of the mains, whenever I move either a main or cross, the string slides back into place. I hope to get another eight hours out of this string and if I do with the same playability and comfort, I may just switch and forego any further testing.
 

Injured Again

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Played another hour this morning. The weather is changing and it was cold on court - temps in the low 50's. The string tension had dropped some but seems to be holding pretty steady. Hitting with it felt great this morning - still good control and still good spin capability. I'm adjusting and compensating for a the lower launch angle on heavy topspin shots, and my second serves still have enough on them to prevent getting attacked by my mid-4.5 level opponent who I beat 6-2 in the one set we played. There's deeper notching but it looks like I have another three or four hours at a minimum, so probably somewhere in the eight to ten hour range which is good enough considering how comfortable CT is and how much it feels like it expands the sweetspot. So I've made the switch. Just ordered 15 sets of 18 gauge anthracite from Tennis Warehouse.
 

BillKid

Professional
I like the feel and relative softness of Cyclone Tour but 'regular' Cyclone holds tension much better; V-Torque has dramatic tension loss and peels longitudinally.
I was a bit concerned by this issue when switching from VC to VCT but I did not notice that much. I like both but I would say VCT feels more comfortable, especially at the beginning. After about 10 hours, both VC and VCT are feeling significantly worse.
My next step is to search for another soft poly that would retain feel and playability a bit longer.

You may find this thread of interest:https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/vokl-cyclone-tour.678571/
 
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g4driver

Hall of Fame
Tension loss hasn't been an issue. Maybe the 18x19 pattern helps hide the effects of that tension loss, but control feels no different after three hours as when it was fresh. There is a bit of notching but the strings are still returning to their place.

If it had a bit more bite on the ball, it would be a perfect string for me. As it is, I may be switching to this string anyway just for the comfort for my wrist, and how it seems to make my racquet play bigger. The putaway power is addictive.

I've tried regular Cyclone, V-Torque and V-Torque Tour, along with V-Square, and this so far seems to have the best combination of attributes. Now if Tennis Warehouse only had the 18 gauge in anthracite in a reel. Fortunately, their current deal of $6.74 a pack is equal to the reel cost for me. So before I jump in whole hog, are there recommendations for any other strings to try that are similar to Cyclone Tour and available in a 1.20 gauge?
I only use and string VCT in 1.30mm, but if you want something that offers better tension maintenance Tire One Boost (Firewire mains / Ghostwire crosses) comes in 1.20mm FW / 1.17mm GW. You can buy Boost prepackaged. I've put about 16 hours of doubles on a PA+ frame with 1.25mm Boost and will be cutting it out today as the mains are sticking out of place on almost every shot. I get more slightly more life out of Volkl Cyclone Tour 1.30 mm (it plays well enough until breakage for many clients) but it's definitely softer than 1.25mm Boost to my elbow. Boost is a string I enjoy hitting with and will restring another frame with it. My 2016 PA+frame looks ridiculously ugly with a Day-Glow Chartreuse Yellow PA+ with Red mains & White crosses. Yep it's an ugly combo but it hits well.

Boost offers a lot of power, spin, and control and is a string I could switch to permanently I think. I have used VCT 1.30mm for 8+ years now and have it in three frames. It is a solid string for me and a lot of 4.5 players. Boost is another solid choice for players who like a string slightly stiffer than VCT 1.30mm which has a tension drop, but it remains playable without giving elbow, arm, wrist or shoulder pain for a lot of players. It's not for everyone, but VCT 1.30mm works for a lot of players.
 

Injured Again

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@g4driver I tried Firewire Boost in the fall last year and did not like it. Initially, I think I said it played fairly similar to Hyper-G that I had in my racquet at that time, but being more muted and comfortable, with a slightly lower launch angle but roughly the same spin capability. Over the course of a couple of hits, it felt like the Boost lost quite a bit of tension and then the entire stringbed became to springy, with a loss of control. I think experienced a change in launch angle and grip as the sharp tip wore smooth, which didn't take that long.

I think in general I'm a player who has come to like a pretty firm stringbed because the SW104 has a bit of flex. That's one reason why I hadn't tried Cyclone Tour until now - I thought it would be just too soft in the thin gauge that I need to get the launch angle I want. It's been pretty surprising that it's maintain crispness well, and if it gets too mushy over the next couple of hours, I can go up a couple of pounds because it wasn't too stiff fresh off the stringer. But because of my stringbed preferences, it has just never seemed to work for me to put a soft poly in the crosses, or at least so far I haven't found any cross that didn't feel like it got too soft, leaving the mains without enough support to maintain crispness when I swing really hard.
 
@g4driver I tried Firewire Boost in the fall last year and did not like it. Initially, I think I said it played fairly similar to Hyper-G that I had in my racquet at that time, but being more muted and comfortable, with a slightly lower launch angle but roughly the same spin capability. Over the course of a couple of hits, it felt like the Boost lost quite a bit of tension and then the entire stringbed became to springy, with a loss of control. I think experienced a change in launch angle and grip as the sharp tip wore smooth, which didn't take that long.

I think in general I'm a player who has come to like a pretty firm stringbed because the SW104 has a bit of flex. That's one reason why I hadn't tried Cyclone Tour until now - I thought it would be just too soft in the thin gauge that I need to get the launch angle I want. It's been pretty surprising that it's maintain crispness well, and if it gets too mushy over the next couple of hours, I can go up a couple of pounds because it wasn't too stiff fresh off the stringer. But because of my stringbed preferences, it has just never seemed to work for me to put a soft poly in the crosses, or at least so far I haven't found any cross that didn't feel like it got too soft, leaving the mains without enough support to maintain crispness when I swing really hard.
You might want to try Black Knight Full bed or hybrid it with Ghost Wire in the crosses. You won’t have that „springy“ effect.
 

Injured Again

Hall of Fame
You might want to try Black Knight Full bed or hybrid it with Ghost Wire in the crosses. You won’t have that „springy“ effect.
I recently bought four sets of Black Knight during your sale! That's a great string - as good of a control string as there is out there, but turning 59 in four weeks, I just don't have the consistent racquet head speed to use it. It's got a bit of a lower launch angle that I could get used to, but I'm just not often set enough to be able to make the swing at the ball that the string demands. BK would be a really good choice for me for doubles season.

When I strung up Firewire Boost, I used my normal tensions that have the mains at a +5 pounds or +10% differential to the cross strings. I started using that much differential to get the higher launch angle that I prefer. I do have another set of Firewire Boost in 17 gauge. What kind of tension differential would you suggest I try?
 
I recently bought four sets of Black Knight during your sale! That's a great string - as good of a control string as there is out there, but turning 59 in four weeks, I just don't have the consistent racquet head speed to use it. It's got a bit of a lower launch angle that I could get used to, but I'm just not often set enough to be able to make the swing at the ball that the string demands. BK would be a really good choice for me for doubles season.

When I strung up Firewire Boost, I used my normal tensions that have the mains at a +5 pounds or +10% differential to the cross strings. I started using that much differential to get the higher launch angle that I prefer. I do have another set of Firewire Boost in 17 gauge. What kind of tension differential would you suggest I try?
Difficult to say. We generally string mains and crosses at a same tension. You could try to increase the crosses (Ghost Wire) in tension to increase control.
 
Is black knight your lowest launch string? Is the 18 much higher launch angle than the 16?
Black Knight certainly has a lower launch angle than Firewire. I could not say that it has the lowest of all our strings. Ghost Wire is pretty low, Durafluxx as well. Yes, 18 gauge will respond quite differently than 16g in spin, ball pocketing, launch angle, etc...
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
1.25mm Boost feels stiffer than 1.30mm VCT to me, but certainly not stiff enough to bother my elbow. I've been using VCT for eight years 3-4 days a week. Only when I play 7-9 times a week has it ever caused me any elbow pain. Hitting 7-9 times a week just isn't normal for me. VCT 1.30mm plays softer than every 1.25mm copoly I have tried except for Yonex Poly Tour Air 1.25mm and 1.28mm Isospeed Cream. I cut out the 1.25mm Boost today at just over 16 hours, but I can use VCT 1.30mm for 20-24 hours mostly doubles with no elbow issues whatsoever. Tire One Boost 1.25 has a ton of spin, control, and is a string I could switch to, so one of my Pure Aero+ frames is on my Alpha Ghost and will be strung again with Boost tomorrow am at 55M/53X. Going to mark the bottom cross string with a sharpie for every two hours of play doubles on the left and singles on the right. I tried the 1.20mm Boost today and didn't like it as much as the 1.25mm version, so I cut it out when I got home.

Something I didn't expect: I love serving with Boost 1.25 mm much more than VCT 1.30, and really like this string other than how ugly my frame is with red/white strings. Hey, my frame is ugly, it's not the Tier One strings. ;)

One poster on here commented to privately me "seems like you are on a mission to convert the whole world to VCT 1.30" If that is the way I am perceived, I would like to clear that up. That assertion couldn't be further from the truth. I just share information, and the fact is I string more VCT 1.30 for 4.5 and 5.0 players than all other copolys I stock which includes: Volk Cyclone, Solinco Hyper G, Revolution, RPM Blast, RPM Blast Rough, Lux Alu Power, Lux 4G, Lux 4G Soft, Head Hawk, Hawk Touch, Yonex Poly Tour Pro & Poly Tour Air, Dunlop Black Widow, Tourna BHS7T, Wilson Revolve, Isospeed Cream, Tire One Firewire, and Ghostwire.

VCT 1.30mm just works well for a lot of 4.0 to 5.0 men in their 40s and 50s. TierOne Boost would work equally well for many of these same players if they would restring their frames around 15 hours, but the fact is 90% of players don't restring frequently enough. I can count on two hands the number of players who bring me frames that don't have broken strings. If you are going to be someone who plays until breakage, VCT 1.30mm plays until breakage without wrecking elbows, wrists and shoulders for the 4.0-5.0 guys. I can't say that about another copoly string that I stock. I suspect YPTA and Isospeed Cream would also break prior to an injury, but Cream doesn't get the love VCT gets from these players. Even the 4.5 players with TE have given me a (n) on Cream when I tried it in their mains.

I stock a lot of different copoly string and get no deals from Volkl or any other company. If a company is kind enough to send me free strings, I will get these strings in the frames of the appropriate level player for no fee to the player, so I can get the feedback from the player. I pride myself to be like Consumer Reports who accept no advertising. There are tons of players who use strings that don't match their game, whether it is 3.0 and 3.5 players using Hyper G in Blade 98s, or guys using other polys in 1.30mm gauges for months. And yes the Hyper G/ Blade 98 color matching combo is a full-blown epidemic for 3.0 and 3.5 women at the home of the Volvo Car Open who sells Wilson frames and Solinco strings. :unsure:

@TierOneSportsOfficial is a gentleman who was kind enough to get me some Black Knight/Ghostwire (even though I have two reels of Ghostwire). I have 1.23mm BK in the frame of one 5.0 player in his 30s using a Wilson Ultra Tour (18x20). I wanted him to try the BK 1.23mm/GW 1.22mm but he wanted to try the 1.23mm BK @48 lbs in a full bed to compare it to 1.25mm Hyper G @48lbs. His text to me today was: "Hey, I played one time, so far so good. Definitely a soft string on the arm. Lacking a little bit of power but too early to know. I am planning to hit with those two more times before I give you a full review."

I will get more Tier One String in the frames of 4.0, 4.5 and 5.0 players and really want the feedback of the 5.0s on BK/GW. I have one 4.5 guy who has four sons who play tennis, one of whom is a current Pac 12 tennis player. His brother played for an Ivy League team. I am trying to get Tier One strings in the frames of players at this level, so no, I don't have a mission to convert the whole world to VCT 1.30mm. But if players are going to play until breakage with a copoly, yes, I suggest VCT 1.30mm and perhaps that is why so many 4.5 guys love it. If you are a 4.0 to 4.5 player, I would highly suggest 1.25 mm Tier One Boost. I don't recommend a lot of copolys, but yes Tier One Boost 1.25mm is something I truly like. I much prefer putting strings in a player's frame without them knowing anything about the strings in their frames, removing all bias, and thereby allowing the player to pick a string without preconceived notations.

My wishlist: to see Tier One Firewire in black or gray, but I understand it is called Firewire and hence red. Thankfully they didn't make it orange. ;)
 
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rader023

Rookie
1.25mm Boost feels stiffer than 1.30mm VCT to me, but certainly not stiff enough to bother my elbow. I've been using VCT for eight years 3-4 days a week. Only when I play 7-9 times a week has it ever caused me any elbow pain. Hitting 7-9 times a week just isn't normal for me. VCT 1.30mm plays softer than every 1.25mm copoly I have tried except for Yonex Poly Tour Air 1.25mm and 1.28mm Isospeed Cream. I cut out the 1.25mm Boost today at just over 16 hours, but I can use VCT 1.30mm for 20-24 hours mostly doubles with no elbow issues whatsoever. Tire One Boost 1.25 has a ton of spin, control, and is a string I could switch to, so one of my Pure Aero+ frames is on my Alpha Ghost and will be strung again with Boost tomorrow am at 55M/53X. Going to mark the bottom cross string with a sharpie for every two hours of play doubles on the left and singles on the right. I tried the 1.20mm Boost today and didn't like it as much as the 1.25mm version, so I cut it out when I got home.

Something I didn't expect: I love serving with Boost 1.25 mm much more than VCT 1.30, and really like this string other than how ugly my frame is with red/white strings. Hey, my frame is ugly, it's not the Tier One strings. ;)

One poster on here commented to privately me "seems like you are on a mission to convert the whole world to VCT 1.30" If that is the way I am perceived, I would like to clear that up. That assertion couldn't be further from the truth. I just share information, and the fact is I string more VCT 1.30 for 4.5 and 5.0 players than all other copolys I stock which includes: Volk Cyclone, Solinco Hyper G, Revolution, RPM Blast, RPM Blast Rough, Lux Alu Power, Lux 4G, Lux 4G Soft, Head Hawk, Hawk Touch, Yonex Poly Tour Pro & Poly Tour Air, Dunlop Black Widow, Tourna BHS7T, Wilson Revolve, Isospeed Cream, Tire One Firewire, and Ghostwire.

VCT 1.30mm just works well for a lot of 4.0 to 5.0 men in their 40s and 50s. TierOne Boost would work equally well for many of these same players if they would restring their frames around 15 hours, but the fact is 90% of players don't restring frequently enough. I can count on two hands the number of players who bring me frames that don't have broken strings. If you are going to be someone who plays until breakage, VCT 1.30mm plays until breakage without wrecking elbows, wrists and shoulders for the 4.0-5.0 guys. I can't say that about another copoly string that I stock. I suspect YPTA and Isospeed Cream would also break prior to an injury, but Cream doesn't get the love VCT gets from these players. Even the 4.5 players with TE have given me a (n) on Cream when I tried it in their mains.

I stock a lot of different copoly string and get no deals from Volkl or any other company. If a company is kind enough to send me free strings, I will get these strings in the frames of the appropriate level player for no fee to the player, so I can get the feedback from the player. I pride myself to be like Consumer Reports who accept no advertising. There are tons of players who use strings that don't match their game, whether it is 3.0 and 3.5 players using Hyper G in Blade 98s, or guys using other polys in 1.30mm gauges for months. And yes the Hyper G/ Blade 98 color matching combo is a full-blown epidemic for 3.0 and 3.5 women at the home of the Volvo Car Open who sells Wilson frames and Solinco strings. :unsure:

@TierOneSportsOfficial is a gentleman who was kind enough to get me some Black Knight/Ghostwire (even though I have two reels of Ghostwire). I have 1.23mm BK in the frame of one 5.0 player in his 30s using a Wilson Ultra Tour (18x20). I wanted him to try the BK 1.23mm/GW 1.22mm but he wanted to try the 1.23mm BK @48 lbs in a full bed to compare it to 1.25mm Hyper G @48lbs. His text to me today was: "Hey, I played one time, so far so good. Definitely a soft string on the arm. Lacking a little bit of power but too early to know. I am planning to hit with those two more times before I give you a full review."

I will get more Tier One String in the frames of 4.0, 4.5 and 5.0 players and really want the feedback of the 5.0s on BK/GW. I have one 4.5 guy who has four sons who play tennis, one of whom is a current Pac 12 tennis player. His brother played for an Ivy League team. I am trying to get Tier One strings in the frames of players at this level, so no, I don't have a mission to convert the whole world to VCT 1.30mm. But if players are going to play until breakage with a copoly, yes, I suggest VCT 1.30mm and perhaps that is why so many 4.5 guys love it. If you are a 4.0 to 4.5 player, I would highly suggest 1.25 mm Tier One Boost. I don't recommend a lot of copolys, but yes Tier One Boost 1.25mm is something I truly like. I much prefer putting strings in a player's frame without them knowing anything about the strings in their frames, removing all bias, and thereby allowing the player to pick a string without preconceived notations.

My wishlist: to see Tier One Firewire in black or gray, but I understand it is called Firewire and hence red. Thankfully they didn't make it orange. ;)
Thanks for the feeback. I can see how you can get that feedback on trying to convert but agree with everything you say here. For me i would say the whole Volkl Cyclone/ Tour / V-Square line is good for Tennis elbow, (tennis arm for me), shoulders, etc.......I have had to switch to using these three as I have gotten older (42 now).
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
We do offer Firewire in Red AND Black for many years! ;)
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It helps to look at the drop-down menu more closely. :unsure: Trust me I will find frames for the red FireWire. Red and Black are my favorite colors, but that day-glow yellow PA+ is rough looking with red strings. ;) Just strung my own frame with 1.25 FW/1.22 GW. Will order a reel of Black Firewire 1.25mm next.
 

Injured Again

Hall of Fame
I'm approaching seven hard hours on the Cyclone Tour and it's about to notch through. Tension loss really seems to have stabilized over the past couple of sessions and has not become a problem. Control is still good and it is still comfortable. Spin capability and launch angle have both decreased a little bit and it now doesn't feel quite as lively as when new, but that could just be me getting used to the newfound power. Flat ball putaway power is still easy but there seems to be a bit of velocity loss when trying to hit both hard and spinny.

My order of 15 sets of 18 gauge anthracite arrived from Tennis Warehouse so the idea is to string up Cyclone Tour, Hyper-G, and Hyper-G Soft at the same time for comparison testing.
 

Injured Again

Hall of Fame
Just wanted to post a quick photo of the 18 gauge Cyclone Tour after almost seven hours of play. This is in an 18x19 racquet so a fairly dense pattern. The strings have just started getting stuck out of position, which for me has always preceded the strings actually breaking by about an hour. So Cyclone Tour is about an eight hour string for me, compared to about ten for Hyper-G 1.20 and about 12 hours for 17 gauge Silver 7 Tour. I'd love it to last longer but it has been so soft on my aching wrist that I'm good with its durability.

The string surfaces which contact the ball were worn smooth hours ago, and the string has flattened from wear.

 
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