CYGS is not the Ultimate Achievement in Tennis, DOMINATING 3 Generations is .....

CYGS is not the Ultimate Achievement in Tennis, DOMINATING 3 Generations is ....

  • I agree, this is the biggest achievement ever, more than Laver's CYGS/Novak's NCYGS

  • I disagree, this is not the biggest achievement ever, Laver's CYGS/Novak's NCYGS are bigger


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Sunny014

Legend
Nadal at the French Open has dominated 3 different Generation of Athletes "in their peak"

Generation 1 :
Roger Federer and his Generation were at their peak in 2004-2009, Nadal won 4 FOs in this era.
Generation 2 : Novak Djokovic and his Generation were at their peak in 2010-2015, Nadal won 5 FOs in this era.
Generation 3 : Dominic Thiem and his Generation were at their peak in 2017-2021, Nadal won 4 FOs in this era.

No athlete ever has dominated 3 successive generations in their peak with such impunity as Nadal has.

This is the ultimate achievement in Tennis, not CYGS IMO.




 
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Sunny014

Legend
You trying too hard dude.
Is it ?

Facts hurt?

Sampras struggled to extend his grass dominance into next gen, Federer has also not been successful into doing it since Novak exists, Borg could not, no champion could

Nadal dominating 3 generations is not special ???
 
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Since 2011

Djokovic won 18 grand slams, 31 masters, 4 atp finals, and spent 324 weeks at the top

during the same period until now, both Federer and Nadal (joint effort)

15 slams, 28 masters, 1 atp final, 132 weeks at the top....

now that is dominance, plus highest % wins across all surfaces... another way to view stats :cool:
 

Sunny014

Legend
13 Slams on the same surface in 16 years !!!

It is the biggest level of dominance ever conjured.

Nadal might not be the GOAT but this achievement surely is.
 
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Deleted member 783101

Guest
Nadal at the French Open has dominated 3 different Generation of Athletes "in their peak"

Generation 1 :
Roger Federer and his Generation were at their peak in 2004-2009, Nadal won 4 FOs in this era.
Generation 2 : Novak Djokovic and his Generation were at their peak in 2010-2015, Nadal won 5 FOs in this era.
Generation 3 : Dominic Thiem and his Generation were at their peak in 2012-2021, Nadal won 4 FOs in this era.

No athlete ever has dominated 3 successive generations in their peak with such impunity as Nadal has.

This is the ultimate achievement in Tennis, not CYGS IMO.




 
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Sunny014

Legend
(from another post)

Since 2011

Djokovic won 18 grand slams, 31 masters, 4 atp finals, and spent 324 weeks at the top

during the same period until now, both Federer and Nadal (joint effort)

15 slams, 28 masters, 1 atp final, 132 weeks at the top....

now that is dominance, plus highest % wins across all surfaces... another way to view stats :cool:
Federer 30+, Nadal was 25+ (for a teenage prodigy this is past peak).

So your stats make no sense, bring some numbers where Novak is dominating 3 generations where those 3 gens are in their peak.

It is a 5+5+5 = 15 years dominance minimum, you cannot find it.
 

Kralingen

Legend
As good as one is on clay (and Nadal is so incredible that it’s hard to overrate his dominance) you can only win 1 RG per year.

Winning 4 Slams in a year requires a versatility, consistency, and mental and physical endurance that is beyond measure. It’s that rare.

Obviously someone who won 10 Slams > someone who won CYGS and nothing else. But CYGS is the toughest single-season achievement.
 

pj80

Hall of Fame
Nadal at the French Open has dominated 3 different Generation of Athletes "in their peak"

Generation 1 :
Roger Federer and his Generation were at their peak in 2004-2009, Nadal won 4 FOs in this era.
Generation 2 : Novak Djokovic and his Generation were at their peak in 2010-2015, Nadal won 5 FOs in this era.
Generation 3 : Dominic Thiem and his Generation were at their peak in 2017-2021, Nadal won 4 FOs in this era.

No athlete ever has dominated 3 successive generations in their peak with such impunity as Nadal has.

This is the ultimate achievement in Tennis, not CYGS IMO.




Novak Djokovic dominated Rafa at RG 2015-2021
 

Sunny014

Legend
As good as one is on clay (and Nadal is so incredible that it’s hard to overrate his dominance) you can only win 1 RG per year.

Winning 4 Slams in a year requires a versatility, consistency, and mental and physical endurance that is beyond measure. It’s that rare.

Obviously someone who won 10 Slams > someone who won CYGS and nothing else. But CYGS is the toughest single-season achievement.
Number of people who won 4 slams together = 2 males and among females need to check (Serena and Stefi have done it for sure)
Number of people who a single slam 13 times in a period of 16 years = 1 across all genders

So what is rarer?
 

Sunny014

Legend
Someone who made $1 Billion as a tennis player, I suspect…
haha, yes that is also rare ;)

Jokes apart, my point is Federer's dominance at his peak (that 4-5 year stretch) and Nadal's 1 slam dominance over 3 generations are also pretty rare, I don't see how 1 season dominance (CYGS) can be hyped so much ..... jeez it is just 8-12 months of dominance, not something over an extended period that is more unfathomable..... U know why? .... Because time brings down everyone, if someone has dominated 3 generations at 1 slam then it means that person is beyond time, it is the ultimate blueprint of a goat level feat if any.
 

Sunny014

Legend
Come back to me when Federer and Nadal win all the masters titles or when Rafa wins the world tour finals. They that dominate that neither can win all the big events on the calendar or win all the slams at least twice.
Winning all masters, WTF (lack of it) etc etc are cumulative achievements or flaws, not a single largest feat that stretches across 100 years....

I am talking about sustaining dominance over multiple generations, that is true power, that is what defying nature means.

Nadal prevented guys older than him from winning clay, he prevented guys aged same as him, then even those younger to him have no chance, this is ABNORMAL.

This guy clearly stands out from anyone that ever held the racquet.
 
Winning all masters, WTF (lack of it) etc etc are cumulative achievements or flaws, not a single largest feat that stretches across 100 years....

I am talking about sustaining dominance over multiple generations, that is true power, that is what defying nature means.

Nadal prevented guys older than him from winning clay, he prevented guys aged same as him, then even those younger to him have no chance, this is ABNORMAL.

This guy clearly stands out from anyone that ever held the racquet.
No ones doubting he’s the clay GOAT. His lack of success on the other surfaces harms him big time though. Plus Djokovic has at least been able to punch a few holes in rafas clay dominance. He’s beat him at least twice in all clay masters and the french open.
 

Winners or Errors

Hall of Fame
I agree with the OP that Nadal had the hardest hills to climb until 2015. He is, and I think forever will be, the CGOAT. The fact that he didn’t defend a single non-clay title until after 2015 speaks volumes about the career inflation era we’ve been in since. He’s not “the” GOAT.
 

Strale

Semi-Pro
Nadal at the French Open has dominated 3 different Generation of Athletes "in their peak"

Generation 1 :
Roger Federer and his Generation were at their peak in 2004-2009, Nadal won 4 FOs in this era.
Generation 2 : Novak Djokovic and his Generation were at their peak in 2010-2015, Nadal won 5 FOs in this era.
Generation 3 : Dominic Thiem and his Generation were at their peak in 2017-2021, Nadal won 4 FOs in this era.

No athlete ever has dominated 3 successive generations in their peak with such impunity as Nadal has.

This is the ultimate achievement in Tennis, not CYGS IMO.




You said the most important detail "IN YOUR OWN OPINION"....I have nothing else to add.
 

Sunny014

Legend
I agree with the OP that Nadal had the hardest hills to climb until 2015. He is, and I think forever will be, the CGOAT. The fact that he didn’t defend a single non-clay title until after 2015 speaks volumes about the career inflation era we’ve been in since. He’s not “the” GOAT.
Being C-GOAT is a priceless commodity because nobody else has anything GOATy on any other surface that is beyond debates.

Sampras's Grass feats r in doubt because of Federer and Now Noval's feats on Grass, Fedeer's Grass feats r in doubt too because Sampras exists on the fast grass and Nole too has snatched some wins in Fed's old age which arguably should not have happened (at least 2 out of those 3 wins should not have) so this does raise some doubts, Nole's HC dominance is doubtful because fed (3x), Nadal(2x), Stan(2x) and Murray (1x) have beaten him at the USO which is a very prestigious Slam, plus Fed himself has 11 slams on HCs which close to Nole's 12, so Nole doesn't look GOATy on HCs either, so all this points out to Nadal's C-GOAT being the only undisputed GOATy achievement.
 

Strale

Semi-Pro
CYGS is the ultimate dominance...Wining across multiple surfaces against top players in a single year is mind boggling...

No disrespect to Rafa...
 

Kralingen

Legend
haha, yes that is also rare ;)

Jokes apart, my point is Federer's dominance at his peak (that 4-5 year stretch) and Nadal's 1 slam dominance over 3 generations are also pretty rare, I don't see how 1 season dominance (CYGS) can be hyped so much ..... jeez it is just 8-12 months of dominance, not something over an extended period that is more unfathomable..... U know why? .... Because time brings down everyone, if someone has dominated 3 generations at 1 slam then it means that person is beyond time, it is the ultimate blueprint of a goat level feat if any.
I agree with your point so voted yes.

However I think the problem here is comparing 15 seasons of level to just 1. That’s like saying which is a better achievement: Agassi’s 8 Slams and career Slam or Becker’s Wimbledon at 17 years old? Obviously Agassi had the greater career but what Becker did in that one season was incredible, and he actually defended the title.

Point is when we talk achievements, I would say Novak’s 9 AOs is more impressive than the NCYGS, but also would never directly compare the two.It’s difficult to compare a single season to an entire career.

I personally believe Nadal on clay is the highest level in tennis history on any surface though so happy to agree with ur larger point, but the phrasing is wrong
 
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Deleted member 783101

Guest
Being C-GOAT is a priceless commodity because nobody else has anything GOATy on any other surface that is beyond debates.

Sampras's Grass feats r in doubt because of Federer and Now Noval's feats on Grass, Fedeer's Grass feats r in doubt too because Sampras exists and Nole too has snatched some wins in Fed's old age which arguably should not have happened (at least 2 out of those 3 wins should not have) so this does raise some doubts, Nole's HC dominance is doubtful because fed (3x), Nadal(2x), Stan(2x) and Murray (1x) have beaten him at the USO which is a very prestigious Slam, plus Fed himself has 11 slams on HCs which close to Nole's 12, so Nole doesn't look GOATy on HCs either, so all this points out to Nadal's C-GOAT being the only undisputed GOATy achievement.
 
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Deleted member 771911

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I definitely don't think that anyone can claim the CYGS this season is the all time great achievement. In fact there is even a thread somewhere saying Djokovic has already won four in a row and another thread I think questioning the whole four in a row thing. This won't be gushed over the way people did over Rafa's 13th RG (Murray. Federer are two who chimed in on that one). Now, Djokovic's potential CYGS is a great achievement but there are some definite question marks as to the CYGS which I won't go into as it always ends up getting ugly, but even the greatest Djokovic fan would have to concede the competition this season is wanting. Unless you really believe that beating Meddy. Tsitsipas and Berrettini in finals is a sign of a strong period in tennis history. In which case, can you send me some links to what you are imbibing. Meanwhile, there are zero questions about Rafa at RG. I mean can you think of a single criticism to this record?
I do wonder if Djokovic had done the CYGS in 2011, if things would be different. in terms of how people react to the CYGS. Or if he had done it in 2008/9.
 

Sunny014

Legend
I agree with your point so voted yes.

I personally believe Nadal on clay is the highest level in tennis history on any surface though so happy to agree with ur larger point, but the phrasing is wrong
Yes, thats my point.

A level so high that even after dipping significantly it triumphed over guys 6-10 years younger..... huge thing.... never seen before and might never be seen again.
 

Sunny014

Legend
Have to give credit to the OP for basically rotating which fanbase to troll next. (y)
Hey at least we moved on from Federer's bank account for a moment...
We'll get back there, I'm sure.
Like I said, for me NADAL is not the GOAT, the GOAT is Fed with Novak closely following him on his path, the stats hurdle has been met, now the iconic status/aura has to be beaten, it is not impossible, after he reaches 21 if he wins some more (I am expecting he will play for some more years) then maybe he will develop an aura too, till then I will wait as Fed still remains the biggest presence in tennis as of now. If GOAT is a media made narrative then let Novak win in the media, then we shall see.

However, since we were talking of achievements, I wanted to highlight that Nadal's clay dominance is the 1 feat which is special in 100+ years of Tennis. We've never heard of a situation when guys who are older to you, physically at their peaks have no answer to you, then the guys who grew up with you with same food habits, training etc etc have no answer against you, then there are guys much younger to you, some even a decade younger, they have the advantage of youth and viewing your game since their childhood and still cannot beat you, then what does it mean ???? ..... If there is an anomaly in TENNIS then it is Nadal's clay and not a NCYGS/Something like that, that is my only point. ..... Do you disagree???
 

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
Like I said, for me NADAL is not the GOAT, the GOAT is Fed with Novak closely following him on his path, the stats hurdle has been met, now the iconic status/aura has to be beaten, it is not impossible, after he reaches 21 if he wins some more (I am expecting he will play for some more years) then maybe he will develop an aura too, till then I will wait as Fed still remains the biggest presence in tennis as of now. If GOAT is a media made narrative then let Novak win in the media, then we shall see.

However, since we were talking of achievements, I wanted to highlight that Nadal's clay dominance is the 1 feat which is special in 100+ years of Tennis. We've never heard of a situation when guys who are older to you, physically at their peaks have no answer to you, then the guys who grew up with you with same food habits, training etc etc have no answer against you, then there are guys much younger to you, some even a decade younger, they have the advantage of youth and viewing your game since their childhood and still cannot beat you, then what does it mean ???? ..... If there is an anomaly in TENNIS then it is Nadal's clay and not a NCYGS/Something like that, that is my only point. ..... Do you disagree???
Personally, I'd like to know what Roddick thinks of this.
 

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
So in other words Djokovic winning the CYGS long after his so-called peak (which is an absurdity in its own right) isn't "extending his dominance"?

He dominated in 2011 and 2015 but not in the year he won the CYGS? :-D
 

skip1969

G.O.A.T.
Nadal at the French Open has dominated 3 different Generation of Athletes "in their peak"

Generation 1 :
Roger Federer and his Generation were at their peak in 2004-2009, Nadal won 4 FOs in this era.
Generation 2 : Novak Djokovic and his Generation were at their peak in 2010-2015, Nadal won 5 FOs in this era.
Generation 3 : Dominic Thiem and his Generation were at their peak in 2017-2021, Nadal won 4 FOs in this era.

No athlete ever has dominated 3 successive generations in their peak with such impunity as Nadal has.

This is the ultimate achievement in Tennis, not CYGS IMO.




Dominating the tour on clay (for however many years) does not equal dominating the tour.

It's the one thing Nadal fans will never understand, even though it's the most obvious reason why he'll never be the GOAT.
 
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