D1 vs junkball match with on-court coaching

jmnk

Hall of Fame
the difference between you and me, is that you were actually a 10.5 (or 11 - and one of my old threads has some vid proof of a young maxtennis)
it's a complete farce that i was a 10 anything
9 would be sorta a personal rec accomplishment
for the purpose of full disclosure though. When UTR actually had you at 10.6 - was it because:
  • the rating was based on only very few results?
  • the opponents rating was incorrect for some reason?
  • else?
p.s. I'm kind of sad you think that 10.6 was not justified. We had a fairly close match going, your high rating would greatly improve my confidence..... :)
 

nyta2

Semi-Pro
for the purpose of full disclosure though. When UTR actually had you at 10.6 - was it because:
  • the rating was based on only very few results?
  • the opponents rating was incorrect for some reason?
  • else?
p.s. I'm kind of said you think that 10.6 was not justified. We had a fairly close match going, your high rating would greatly improve my confidence..... :)
yeah, sorry man,... can't elevate your rating through my BS rating :p and we did have a very very close fun match (can't wait to do it again!) that said i am currently an 8.07... 8's decent for us, right? (which is also why i was impressed by MEP's @GSG rating of 8.37... that's comparable to the top 4.5's in my area)
i suspect it was because i played a utr tourney against a guy at the time was utr13 (played william&mary).
anywho, i got 3 games off him (check my name in utr for 2018)... he either fell asleep or couldn't read where my shanks were going, or maybe he was checking out the hot girl on the court next to us (it was mixed utr tourney)
i remember joking with him before the match, asking if he could give me a few charity games... and his response (good natured),... "sorry can't, i need to boost my rating for higher seedings in tournaments."
 

nyta2

Semi-Pro
anywho, stalking OP aside, the vid is interesting
i suspect the d1 player doesn't play that style often... or ever?
i imagine she would get stronger if they played 10x, as she gets used to reading the balls off technique she's not accustomed to...
at least that's how i feel when i play off rhythm players (also why i actively pursue playing them because it helps me get better).
 

nyta2

Semi-Pro
No i dont

typical internet tennis players impressed by a guy who can run and has a decent hand eye coordination. Unfortunately he cannot play tennis, so yeah, ireckon i would beat him withmy left hand
i'm just impressed with his results...
i've spent thou$ands, and 100's of hours, developing my current technique...
and he has a significantly higher utr...
fml :p
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
anywho, stalking OP aside, the vid is interesting
i suspect the d1 player doesn't play that style often... or ever?
i imagine she would get stronger if they played 10x, as she gets used to reading the balls off technique she's not accustomed to...
at least that's how i feel when i play off rhythm players (also why i actively pursue playing them because it helps me get better).
There is a small cadre of highly successful tournament players in these parts that do very well in singles because they have a single trick shot that people can't handle when they face them. Usually some slice shot variant that's hard to read, bounces funny and often from a left handed player. They thrive because the trick shot is so difficult to get a handle on initially that the opponents have often lost the match before they figure it out. Then they never see that shot again until next year and get flummoxed for two sets again.

Having a difficult style can be very useful at winning in tournaments where no one knows you. Once people adapt they often can be easily defeated since they don't generally have much game beyond their trick shot.

Personally I think my wife would give MEP a run for his money. Her full swing framed drop shots are impossible to get a handle on. Once she gets into blind squirrel mode with those things, its game over.
 

Keendog

Professional
Wasn't this vid already posted in another thread? I thought I ping'd @PURETENNISsense in that one. Did we start another? I am old, memory and eyesight are going, but luckily based on the end for matches of a a season a while back still have a UTR that says I shouldn't lose a hack 3.5 match like I did last night. I hate my life and you all suck. Imma go drink now.
Have a lie down mate.
 

FogniShikori

Semi-Pro
When I look up the UTR of the players I know, their UTR seem relatively accurate assuming they played enough matches.

I find MEP to be fascinating. I don't see too many with his style at 4.5+ NTRP or 7.0+ UTR.
Keep in mind that even some ex-college players drop to or even below his rating at middle age.
If MEP reaches 5.0 NTRP, that would be some accomplishment.
I don't see him reaching that level in doubles tho, as his shots would be picked off at the net.
 

GuyClinch

Legend
When I look up the UTR of the players I know, their UTR seem relatively accurate assuming they played enough matches.

I find MEP to be fascinating. I don't see too many with his style at 4.5+ NTRP or 7.0+ UTR.
Keep in mind that even some ex-college players drop to or even below his rating at middle age.
If MEP reaches 5.0 NTRP, that would be some accomplishment.
I don't see him reaching that level in doubles tho, as his shots would be picked off at the net.
What is weird about GSG - is almost no one actually plays like he does - but everyone thinks everyone else plays exactly like he does. Watch some of the other matches on tennis troll channel - its all big shot hard hit tennis. Short rallies - big ground strokes - strong serves...lots of errors.

Not surprised he lost to the D1 recruit though.. He would lose to Ian as well if he ever played him. Lots of people feed off the pace of the opponent - they need it. GSG beats those guys.. I think women are used to not getting hard hit balls. The low level ones have trouble with junk - but the higher level ones are used to low velocity shots.

I'd like to see GSG and wannabe pro..
 

Cashman

Hall of Fame
He might not win as much with better technique. It's the repetitious slow ball that evokes the impatience of the opponents.
Undoubtably he would win more.

A player who has such immense hand-eye coordination and court sense that he play these sorts of shots well enough to win at 4.5 is a far more gifted athlete than anyone he is playing against.

If he wasn’t handcuffed by his technique he’d be out of these guys’ league.
 

Cashman

Hall of Fame
Thanks I think? :)
Sorry mate, I didn’t realise you actually posted here

I mean... it was meant as a compliment. I’ve played since I was eight with plenty of coaching, so my strokes are pretty enough. But without the natural intuition and timing of an athlete, improvement was always a hard slog.

I reckon my olds would have got a lot more out of their dollar with you.
 

GSG

New User
Sorry mate, I didn’t realise you actually posted here

I mean... it was meant as a compliment. I’ve played since I was eight with plenty of coaching, so my strokes are pretty enough. But without the natural intuition and timing of an athlete, improvement was always a hard slog.

I reckon my olds would have got a lot more out of their dollar with you.
It's all good, I had just never read such an amusing backhanded compliment about my tennis before!
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
Wasn't this vid already posted in another thread? I thought I ping'd @PURETENNISsense in that one. Did we start another? I am old, memory and eyesight are going, but luckily based on the end for matches of a a season a while back still have a UTR that says I shouldn't lose a hack 3.5 match like I did last night. I hate my life and you all suck. Imma go drink now.
WTF...you lost to a hack 3.5?

Seriously you look very good on video hitting. I kinda remember u the most (out of the many hacks that posted videos here).

goddamnit my whole TT life is a lie. :confused::sick:
 
for example, at some point i had a utr10.6 (rounded up to 11 for you non-paying-utr-users!!)... definitely took that picture&framed it, and sent it to everyone thats bagelled me :p.
Was it this year? I've seen the same thing while I only had 3 matches kept by UTR: my singles # went up about 200 points to 9.5 without me or my opponents playing a match. I'm sure once I play a few matches that # will plummet back to where it belongs.
 

Papa Mango

Semi-Pro
He might not win as much with better technique. It's the repetitious slow ball that evokes the impatience of the opponents.
It is mentally very hard to keep the foot on the pedal for 2/3 sets when you see these balls come back over and over and over and over .........

This video (along with other GSG videos) should be stickied for all the pushing-wins-non-believers
 

Dragy

Hall of Fame
It is mentally very hard to keep the foot on the pedal for 2/3 sets when you see these balls come back over and over and over and over .........

This video (along with other GSG videos) should be stickied for all the pushing-wins-non-believers
This particular? He lost, if you watched it till the end. To not-that-high-level lady who's just trained properly and managed to get her things together after a slump.
@GSG has filmed matches where he wins and where he loses. He loses to attackers with solid fundamentals and strong mind. He wins against baseline counter-pounchers, actually, whos '-punches' have no power and pace to 'counter'. He really challenges their score of free points (off 'decent' serving and waiting for rally UEs), and makes them try to beat him taking charge of every point, what they don't usually do with any success (even if they think they do). On top of that, he disrupts them with some dose of junkballing as they try to focus on their execution. So forces them into mentally uncomfortable state for long period, ready to play a full 3-setter. Tough.
 
i imagine she would get stronger if they played 10x, as she gets used to reading the balls off technique she's not accustomed to...
I think she would get better but it also depends on how MEP responds. As she gets better, so would he. He would likely find ways to utilize the silce and make it more difficult for her. I think he also has opporutnity on the serve to win some free/sneaky points here an there and allow him to hold a bit easier.

To be completely honest, she is very capable of S&V tennis. I've worked with her for majority of her tennis youth and her volleys are really solid for a girl (of course the video showed the complete opposite but she is a very strong doubles player). If she focused on serving well and coming in behind it (1-2x/game) I think she would have much easier holds as well. MEP hits a slice return and it doesn't knife through the court all the time, so these would opportunities to close fast and get a put-away volley.
 

srimes

Rookie
Undoubtably he would win more.

A player who has such immense hand-eye coordination and court sense that he play these sorts of shots well enough to win at 4.5 is a far more gifted athlete than anyone he is playing against.

If he wasn’t handcuffed by his technique he’d be out of these guys’ league.
Is there another video that highlights "immense hand-eye coordination?" I didn't see anything spectacular in this one. Don't get me wrong I didn't see him lacking there.

The keys I saw
1) Good tennis IQ/percentage tennis
2) Very low-energy strokes
3) Decent movement/fitness

Maybe he has great fitness I don't know, I just didn't see it tested here. He wasn't physically working as hard as his opponent, as his swing is a light chip and she's taking full swings and generating the pace.

At this point I have no reason to believe he'd do better with traditional strokes. I think a lot of his success is because of his hitting style, not in spite of it.
 

nicklane1

Rookie
Is there another video that highlights "immense hand-eye coordination?" I didn't see anything spectacular in this one. Don't get me wrong I didn't see him lacking there.

The keys I saw
1) Good tennis IQ/percentage tennis
2) Very low-energy strokes
3) Decent movement/fitness

Maybe he has great fitness I don't know, I just didn't see it tested here. He wasn't physically working as hard as his opponent, as his swing is a light chip and she's taking full swings and generating the pace.

At this point I have no reason to believe he'd do better with traditional strokes. I think a lot of his success is because of his hitting style, not in spite of it.
Exactly!
 

GSG

New User
Maybe he has great fitness I don't know, I just didn't see it tested here. He wasn't physically working as hard as his opponent, as his swing is a light chip and she's taking full swings and generating the pace.
I agree with you based on what Troll has put out there so far. I think when fitness/conditioning really comes into play for me is in the 3rd set, and I haven't played any full three setters on the channel (though it is certainly my preference to do so). What I can tell you is that 90%+ of the time, I'm able to maintain the same mental/physical energy level throughout even the longest of matches, and I find the vast majority of my opponents are unwilling or unable to do that. Although they are each only two setters, you can sort of see examples of "winning via fitness" in the NYC rematch and to a lesser extent in the D3 Switcharoo match on the channel.
 
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nyta2

Semi-Pro
I agree with you based on what Troll has put out there so far. I think when fitness/conditioning really comes into play for me is in the 3rd set, and I haven't played any full three setters on the channel (though it is certainly my preference to do so). What I can tell you is that 90%+ of the time, I'm able to maintain the same mental/physical energy level throughout even the longest of matches, and I find the vast majority of my opponents are unwilling or unable to do that. Although they are each only two setters, you can sort of see examples of "winning via fitness" in the NYC rematch and to a lesser extent in the D3 Switcharoo match on the channel.
hehe the spaniards are in your camp... they are all about making their opponents suffer, let's them overcome many weapons if they can take the legs out of their opponents
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
Damn @AnyPUG your thread keeps going and going like the energizer bunny. :)
You gonna drive the haters crazy


Peeps don't wanna admit but any MATCH thread is gonna attract a lot of poasters. Matches always draw drama & fun. I prefer matches over hitting.

Keep 'em coming, dude :laughing: :-D:laughing:8-B
 

Cashman

Hall of Fame
Is there another video that highlights "immense hand-eye coordination?" I didn't see anything spectacular in this one.
Then you are underestimating the amount of hand eye coordination required to consistently hit those sorts of shots against those sorts of players
 

FIRETennis

Semi-Pro
At this point I have no reason to believe he'd do better with traditional strokes. I think a lot of his success is because of his hitting style, not in spite of it.
There are a few guys I at the tournaments that I play that have this style and it is exactly the reason they win. They force errors out of their opponents and frustrate them until they beat themselves.
With regular strokes, they would not get anywhere close to that far.
A classic example:
 

Papa Mango

Semi-Pro
This particular? He lost, if you watched it till the end. To not-that-high-level lady who's just trained properly and managed to get her things together after a slump.
I skimmed through. But as @GSG said, if it was a full third set I would have bet my money on him on this particular match.

@GSG has filmed matches where he wins and where he loses. He loses to attackers with solid fundamentals and strong mind. He wins against baseline counter-pounchers, actually, whos '-punches' have no power and pace to 'counter'. He really challenges their score of free points (off 'decent' serving and waiting for rally UEs), and makes them try to beat him taking charge of every point, what they don't usually do with any success (even if they think they do). On top of that, he disrupts them with some dose of junkballing as they try to focus on their execution. So forces them into mentally uncomfortable state for long period, ready to play a full 3-setter. Tough.
Can't tell if we are agreeing or disagreeing? :unsure:
 

megamind

Legend
There are a few guys I at the tournaments that I play that have this style and it is exactly the reason they win. They force errors out of their opponents and frustrate them until they beat themselves.
With regular strokes, they would not get anywhere close to that far.
A classic example:
Maybe instead of improving his game the traditional way, @GSG should model his game after Santoro. They play so similar. Santoro's even got a green shirt!
 

FIRETennis

Semi-Pro
Maybe instead of improving his game the traditional way, @GSG should model his game after Santoro. They play so similar. Santoro's even got a green shirt!
I have a close friend who plays similar to GSG except he randomly also hits extremely hard topspin shots with about 30% success rate.
When he varies the two styles it's extremely difficult and annoying to play him. He can wipe the floor with 4.0s and most 4.5s are shocked at first until they adjust.
His best wins are against 7.5-8 UTRs after which, the style gets neutralized.
He tried for about a year and a half to develop technically sound strokes and strategy but his level went down huge.
I suggested to him rather than going through the massive learning curve after 20 years of his own style, to just fine tune your current style & strategy. There is a cap of maybe beating up to higher 4.5s/low 5.0s.
The GSG video does not really do the fitness justice. You need good fitness to play like this especially if the D1 recruit would have reduced her risk and pace and grinded with him more.
It could would have been a 3-3.5h 3 setter ...
 

GuyClinch

Legend
It is mentally very hard to keep the foot on the pedal for 2/3 sets when you see these balls come back over and over and over and over .........

This video (along with other GSG videos) should be stickied for all the pushing-wins-non-believers
Umm he lost bro. TennisTroll Channel has tons of players on it - and GSG is the only "pusher." It's more accurate to say if "pushing wins if you are much more athletic then your opponent and you have great patience - but half of the time it loses".

Did you watch the "title match" of tennisTroll's mini tournament. There are like a handful of dinks in whole match..!
 
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